Hero

I've been thinking about this for a while. Do you think the price you pay for a service should determine the value of your life on that service?

People often slate the Titanics classes system and how 3rd class people where treated when the titanic was sinking.

But it's hardly an uncommon system. Everything we do has a price, and the price we pay often determines our status. People who pay more for a decent car can get a safer built car with special systems for your safety.

On the Titanic, poorer people didn't buy first class tickets. They bought third class tickets. There's no status that you had that determined your tickets class. If you were born poor that didn't mean you where a 3rd class person and therefore only capable of getting a 3rd class ticket. It was literally how much money you payed for the services onboard the Titanic, just like if you pay more money you can get a 5 star hotel rather than a 2 star hotel.

A 3rd class ticket onboard the Titanic is the aquivalent of storage. It's literally a system in place because they allowed wanted to allow poorer people to travel, and maybe gain some extra money in the process. It is by no means the reason the ship was built and therefore a 3rd class ticket gives you some of the very fundamental hospitalities, like a bed, food etc. There are no luxury furniture in the bottom decks. Therefore, it's hardly surpising that when the ship started sinking priority to the life boats was given to the 1st and possible the 2nd class people, who payed more to be aboard the ship. It must of been something considered by the passengers when they bought the ticket. Lifeboats, like everything else on the first class deck, are a luxury you didn't pay for if you bought a 3rd class ticket.

And like i said, this system is hardly uncommon. In the US, as far as i'm aware, if you have no money to pay for health care you may not get any, or may recieve some sort of very limited benifits from the government. Either way, you have payed nothing, and therefore others will get priority over things like drugs and transplants, while you're stuck having to be plugged into a machine.

Do you think everybody should recieve equal treatment in regards to life/health, or do you think people who payed more should be given priority where it is required?

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vega123

This is the messed up thing with our society, you can be dying, but if you have no money, then you are doomed to die. Money is more valued in this world, than life itself. It's crazy to deprive someone healthcare, due to the fact that don't have any money. It's our fault to create this system of classes, that is the blame for this issue. I also feel that our country should follow models of a universal healthcare system, like in Cuba, which the medicine it much cheaper and affordable to all. Michael moore has a good documentary on some of the issues about our health care system. Good film, but yes i blame our society for creating these social classes. In the issue when someone's life is at stake, money should not be a concern, but that's just reality. Money is the root of all evil.

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Tyrant

Money should determine your value of life because you earned it. What's the point of working hard to earn more just so you can be treated like everybody else?

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You can buy some nice things with it. But things like Healthcare should be universal. Although TBH it doesn't make sense why a multibillionaire should get free healthcare.

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Inu

When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint.
When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.

Greed runs the world, and those greedy people paint a horrid picture of communism and socialism on CNN so everyone will be afraid of it. The concept of communism may seem unfair to some, with everyone earning the same pay but some people working harder. But even basic social programs like health care are dismissed in the US because of greed. McCain even wants to tax health benefits!

You know the world is going to hell in a handbasket when some people can't even get health insurance and those who can are taxed on it...

Separate_From_Society

Uh...of course if you spend more money you will be taken better care of. I don't care how cruel it sounds; it's the truth. If these people dedicate their lives to studying the ways of their trade and build a business or aquire a profitable job, they deserve the money they get.

I'm not saying all poor people are poor because they don't try, because in today's fucked up society it's difficult enough for even a middle-class citizen to find a suitable job. But their fault or not, if they can't pay the same amount as some rich guy, they probably won't, and probably shouldn't, get the same treatment.

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? ... and all that jazza-marazz.

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Capitalism is the only way that really functions. It's not fair, and it only works in the same way that a dying man works, but it still keeps going.

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vega123

This is why our world is so messed up. Money is the root of all evil. To deny a dying man medicine, because he can't afford it, is considered murder in my book. You can't put a price on life, espicially when you only have one. People need to value life itself, rather than focusing on something like money, which they will never see when they die. Money can do alot of things, but it can't prevent death. We need to start a new and have a universal healthcare system. People will live longer and at least cherish their one life a bit longer, before they leave this world. It is the humane thing to do.

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Lord_Sloth

Should or shouldn't doesn't really effect the fact that it does so I never think about it.

Should the president be as protected as he is? Sure. He leads the country. We don't. Should the rich get better treatment? Since they pay the larger part of the taxes I would assume so. Especially since Obama's about to fuck it up far more than any1 seems to realize.

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Masked_Felix

To be precise, the quote is "The love of money is the root of all evil".

As far as universal health care, it looks great on top, everyone getting it without any money, but when you get down to how it works, it's not so great. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Everything has a price, be it taking funds from elsewhere, or forcing compliance without payment and losing quality of the service. Where will the money for the health care come from? Taxes. Does the amount of taxes really matter? No. It's the fact that the people who work for what they have will have to sacrifice extra to cover the livelihood of those who either don't work at all, or just aren't putting effort into improving. Is that the thing that sounds inhumane to you? So be it. One of the oldest rules of the world, man and beast alike, is that if you don't work, you don't eat. The same principle can be extended to services. If you want better, you'll have to work for it.

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The person who's rich daddy put them through college should not get a better treatment than someone who had to support their family and so could not get a good education. Often the reverse of what your saying is true, those who are on the bottom work the hardest.

Although there are alot of people who are just lazy shits.

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Masked_Felix

It's that age old principle of having to pay more to get more. That's just the way things are. There's nothing wrong with it.

Just because someone's 'rich daddy' put them through college while other's have to work themselves to the bone for it shouldn't change anything. That rich daddy had to do something to get that money. It's likely that he or his predecessors worked for it. Is it wrong for him and his family to be able to enjoy the fruits of his labor? Of course not. And if his child is a spoiled brat, chances are the money won't be managed correctly when the time comes for them to manage it, and then the money is gone. The inverse can happen to anyone working hard to put food on the table for their family as well. There's opportunity all over the place. Not everyone can be rich and not everyone can spend their days at the Country Club, but there ARE ways to make a good life for yourself if you're willing to work for it. And the work does pay off in the end. What you suggest is that it isn't fair for those that worked hard and were rewarded with fortune, great or small, and that they should fork over their earnings to support those that haven't worked as hard, or just haven't profited from it as much. The fact of the matter is, if you're 'poor' in America and you want to go to school, you can get nearly, if not a, full ride through just about any college you want. Even if you don't meet that requirement of annual income, there's still many scholorships to be made from good grades and those who seek out the scholorships. Moving up in the world is all kinds of possible, regardless of just about any kind of situation a person may be in. All it takes is work, in one way or the other.

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