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**Inu** · 09-29-2008

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Originally Posted by Kurushimi

Wouldn't that be...like heaven? The way I picture heaven, there's no pain or suffering. Just happiness. Beyond there we may befloating on clouds or riding on shooting stars for all I care.

Sort of, but instead of sending someone 'bad' to burn forever and ever, after death we are introduced to the presence of this God, or whatever it is, and things change. Evil would be a foreign concept to all.

*Sigh* It would be nice.

Merrily · 09-30-2008

You cannot base your theories on the afterlife over a single book. The bible was written by many different people through time until it was completed (not to mention was written in an entirely different language). Also because so many people wrote it, it is susceptible to bias opinions or theories of however they got their information. Furthermore I believe that the afterlife should be derived from within yourself and not what a religion tells you that it is.

We will all find out the truth someday.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 09-30-2008

Probably something we could never hope to muse upon, much less view. That humanity has had a difficult enough time discerning such goes to show (at least, by my view) that whatever happens is probably beyond any worldly notion or parameter we've bounded ourselves to (or, rather, that we're limited to) and continue to apply, thus leaving us just as distraught at the end of the day. I don't think it could be explained... or if it could even be anything in a plane where we cling to things like "logic", "meaning", "answers", and "sense". Hence that the answer could be a question just as much as it could be an answer - it's not something that could register with us on this plane. We'd have to rise above the intense hindrances of this plane, and something infinitely more complex. It's like saying "beyond infinity" or "no beginning and no end" - most look upon those notions as an inane statements of sorts.

But now I'm just ranting. In any case, I don't necessarily see death as bad thing - the act of taking away life of one's own volition is jarring and perturbing in my view (though, for me, it does lead to a cajoling and fascinating topic morally and philosophically) - but death itself may not be something to fear but rather something to not think about as we make what we can of our lives. Death and rebirth are not processes to fear IMO, but through such we evolve and become something more. I don't think we're just limited to being cognitive pieces of nothingness stuck in biological bodies, but rather something far more that we have yet to see on this plane of life as something of that sort is apparently not going to be divulged as easily as tomorrow's traffic report.

**Inu** · 09-30-2008

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Originally Posted by LegendarySSJ7

We'd have to rise above the intense hindrances of this plane, and something infinitely more complex. It's like saying "beyond infinity" or "no beginning and no end" - most look at that as an inane statement of sorts.

There have been proven to be multiple, or even infinite infinities. Mathematicians who studied this their entire lives eventually went insane and killed themselves. Maybe they couldn't wait for the answer?

In the attached image below, from the centre of the circle to the first inside circle, imagine drawing an infinite amount of lines. Now, extend these lines to the outside circle. Here's the problem, there would be gaps between the lines ouside the smaller circle. But there was an infinite amount of lines!?

**Vizard** · 09-30-2008

I think our lives are somehow "scripted." I think all that happens in our lives is supposed to happen or "written." Personal experiences have lead me to believe, or at least try to believe this. After that, deep down I believe in reincarnation but not solely on it. I think reincarnation is like another chance to do the right things in the next life. It happens to infinity until you "do the right thing" and go to Heaven... it's more like a test that if you fail, you try again until you are ready for Heaven.

Kind of dumb sounding but that's what I personally like to believe.

Dupe of USSJed · 09-30-2008

Reincarnation doesn't make much sense to me. If you came back as a fly, you would just be a fly, not good or evil. How do you progress back to being a human from a fly?

**Inu** · 09-30-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

Reincarnation doesn't make much sense to me. If you came back as a fly, you would just be a fly, not good or evil. How do you progress back to being a human from a fly?

Most believe they reincarnate as humans.

Reincarnation, literally "to be made flesh again", is a doctrine or metaphysical belief that some essential part of a living being (in some variations only human beings) survives death to be reborn in a new body.

Kurushimi · 09-30-2008

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Originally Posted by Inuyasha16

Most believe they reincarnate as humans.

Reincarnation, literally "to be made flesh again", is a doctrine or metaphysical belief that some essential part of a living being (in some variations only human beings) survives death to be reborn in a new body.

That doesn't imply that they'd come back as humans, really.

And all the religions I've heard of, which really isn't that many, that believed in reincarnation believed in reincarnation as animals.

**Vizard** · 09-30-2008

I'd like to believe humans come back as other humans and flies as other flies.

**Inu** · 10-01-2008

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Originally Posted by Kurushimi

That doesn't imply that they'd come back as humans, really.

"(in some variations only human beings)"

Does it really matter? Some do, some don't.

SSJ4 Vegito · 10-01-2008

I do believe in Heaven and Hell and that there are many perspectives on what in might be like such as near-death experiences. However to put it simply I do believe I go to heaven.

Nefelpitou · 10-01-2008

Well, from my understanding, there is a Heaven and there is a Hell. Jesus speaks of both in the New Testament. The exact nature of each is not fully described. My view of the after-life is from a Christian perspective, but it is still not clearly defined as to what exactly happens. My belief is to prepare for the "other side", rather than try and understand it.

The issue of the "dead" is very interesting. Although it does say in Hebrews 9:27 that we only get one shot at life before we die and wait for our judgement, there is a possibility that they can be granted "life". There is another place mentioned in the Bible (in Psalm 49) called Hades/Sheol. It was basically where the "dead" go. 1 Peter gives an indication that the gospel was preached to the dead in Sheol, so that they may live in spirit.

Although this could be for the sake of those who have not yet heard the gospel because they were dead, it does show that God allows those who were judged according to the spirit to have a second "spiritual" judgement.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 10-02-2008

Death in itself is a rather beguiling subject of discussion. There's obviously all kinds of metaphorical deaths - dying the second you decide to just "do something" for no one reason - death of everything but ideals, the body, death being completely a choice, amongst other things. I suppose it's how you define it, which is probably why I follow the joist of existentialism above all else.

Separate_From_Society · 10-04-2008

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Originally Posted by Kurushimi

That always sounds like kind of a let down to me. I mean, nothing has much meaning if it all adds up to nothing.

Well that's the whole idea, isn't it? Religion has been a huge part of society since the dawn of civilization, from the Mesopotamians to the more philosophical Greeks or the primitive native cultures of South and Northern America. Religion is there to give people a reason to serve, to work, to bother living. That's less true today, of course. But honestly, society today is so bogged down with other sources of entertainment that society itself is becoming the purpose people desire, rather than religion.

Though I'm an atheist, I'd probably prefer people to appreciate the values of religion than Laguna Beach or VH1 Top 50 Drunken Celeb Breakdowns.

Broly · 10-10-2008

I believe that after death everyone passes into the next life, which at this time is either Hades, the holding place [still a place of suffering] for those who have not accepted Jesus Christ and called on the name of God to save them from their sins, [the second death of those individuals comes after the White Throne Judgement, in which God will judge them for their transgressions and sins] or Heaven, God's dwelling place, which is paradise, reserved for those who have asked for forgiveness of sin through Jesus Christ, and who have invited Him to take "control", or direction [Jesus serves as an example through the Holy scriptures] of their life, so that they might try to conform into the "image", or likeness of the One who has proclaimed His love...and exact way to everlasting life, which is paradise in Heaven with God forever.

09-30-2008	#17 (permalink)
Merrily (2) Farmer w/Shotgun Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Mission, British Columbia Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	Re: What do you think happens after death? You cannot base your theories on the afterlife over a single book. The bible was written by many different people through time until it was completed (not to mention was written in an entirely different language). Also because so many people wrote it, it is susceptible to bias opinions or theories of however they got their information. Furthermore I believe that the afterlife should be derived from within yourself and not what a religion tells you that it is. We will all find out the truth someday. __________________

09-30-2008	#18 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,735 Rep Power: 48	Re: What do you think happens after death? Probably something we could never hope to muse upon, much less view. That humanity has had a difficult enough time discerning such goes to show (at least, by my view) that whatever happens is probably beyond any worldly notion or parameter we've bounded ourselves to (or, rather, that we're limited to) and continue to apply, thus leaving us just as distraught at the end of the day. I don't think it could be explained... or if it could even be anything in a plane where we cling to things like "logic", "meaning", "answers", and "sense". Hence that the answer could be a question just as much as it could be an answer - it's not something that could register with us on this plane. We'd have to rise above the intense hindrances of this plane, and something infinitely more complex. It's like saying "beyond infinity" or "no beginning and no end" - most look upon those notions as an inane statements of sorts. But now I'm just ranting. In any case, I don't necessarily see death as bad thing - the act of taking away life of one's own volition is jarring and perturbing in my view (though, for me, it does lead to a cajoling and fascinating topic morally and philosophically) - but death itself may not be something to fear but rather something to not think about as we make what we can of our lives. Death and rebirth are not processes to fear IMO, but through such we evolve and become something more. I don't think we're just limited to being cognitive pieces of nothingness stuck in biological bodies, but rather something far more that we have yet to see on this plane of life as something of that sort is apparently not going to be divulged as easily as tomorrow's traffic report. __________________ Last edited by LegendarySSJ7; 10-04-2008 at 08:31 AM.

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Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,206 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 219	Re: What do you think happens after death? I think our lives are somehow "scripted." I think all that happens in our lives is supposed to happen or "written." Personal experiences have lead me to believe, or at least try to believe this. After that, deep down I believe in reincarnation but not solely on it. I think reincarnation is like another chance to do the right things in the next life. It happens to infinity until you "do the right thing" and go to Heaven... it's more like a test that if you fail, you try again until you are ready for Heaven. Kind of dumb sounding but that's what I personally like to believe. __________________ Locke will FUCK your Shit UP!

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Dupe of USSJed (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: May 2008 Location: drawing. Im kinda the best drawer in my class , not to brag or anything Posts: 7,499 Rep Power: 195	Re: What do you think happens after death? Reincarnation doesn't make much sense to me. If you came back as a fly, you would just be a fly, not good or evil. How do you progress back to being a human from a fly? __________________ Is Tien fucking strong? Damn right he is. http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...hs-humans.html SSJ3 Gotenks kicks ass btw.

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Vizard /gc/ addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,206 Blog Entries: 6 Rep Power: 219	Re: What do you think happens after death? I'd like to believe humans come back as other humans and flies as other flies. __________________ Locke will FUCK your Shit UP!

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SSJ4 Vegito (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,413 Rep Power: 130	Re: What do you think happens after death? I do believe in Heaven and Hell and that there are many perspectives on what in might be like such as near-death experiences. However to put it simply I do believe I go to heaven. __________________ 90% of DragonBall fans detest DragonBall GT If you're one of the 10% of fans who actually like GT, post this in your signature. "If everything God did made sense he wouldn't be 'God" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4afhQK_sXgQ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAi7ZDY2q4s- Dead sea scrolls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU_rTX23V7Q for fellow Christians

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Nefelpitou (10) Saiyan Elite Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 128 Rep Power: 8	Re: What do you think happens after death? Well, from my understanding, there is a Heaven and there is a Hell. Jesus speaks of both in the New Testament. The exact nature of each is not fully described. My view of the after-life is from a Christian perspective, but it is still not clearly defined as to what exactly happens. My belief is to prepare for the "other side", rather than try and understand it. The issue of the "dead" is very interesting. Although it does say in Hebrews 9:27 that we only get one shot at life before we die and wait for our judgement, there is a possibility that they can be granted "life". There is another place mentioned in the Bible (in Psalm 49) called Hades/Sheol. It was basically where the "dead" go. 1 Peter gives an indication that the gospel was preached to the dead in Sheol, so that they may live in spirit. Although this could be for the sake of those who have not yet heard the gospel because they were dead, it does show that God allows those who were judged according to the spirit to have a second "spiritual" judgement.

10-02-2008	#28 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LA, CA, USA. Posts: 2,735 Rep Power: 48	Re: What do you think happens after death? Death in itself is a rather beguiling subject of discussion. There's obviously all kinds of metaphorical deaths - dying the second you decide to just "do something" for no one reason - death of everything but ideals, the body, death being completely a choice, amongst other things. I suppose it's how you define it, which is probably why I follow the joist of existentialism above all else. __________________

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 32	Re: What do you think happens after death? I believe that after death everyone passes into the next life, which at this time is either Hades, the holding place [still a place of suffering] for those who have not accepted Jesus Christ and called on the name of God to save them from their sins, [the second death of those individuals comes after the White Throne Judgement, in which God will judge them for their transgressions and sins] or Heaven, God's dwelling place, which is paradise, reserved for those who have asked for forgiveness of sin through Jesus Christ, and who have invited Him to take "control", or direction [Jesus serves as an example through the Holy scriptures] of their life, so that they might try to conform into the "image", or likeness of the One who has proclaimed His love...and exact way to everlasting life, which is paradise in Heaven with God forever. __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$