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View Poll Results: Who do you want as the next President
Obama 18 58.06%
McCain 4 12.90%
Neither 3 9.68%
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To Vivi- My point with clinton, was to state that under a democratic president, we are better off. As for the troops, I don't trust MCcain one bit. Bush said there was weapons of mass destruction, and they still haven't find anything. I believe in what Obama wants for the country, and i judge on how the current situation the country is in, and things doesn't look to get any better. We can't really judge why Obama is better, because he lacks in experience, but my reasons for why he should be our president stands. The country is better off with Obama. But that's my opinion. By the way good visual and data.
How is a Democrat any better than a Republican? Doesn't make sense. There are good Democrats (lol, oxymoron?) and good Republicans, and there are the bad.

You have to realize, McCain is not Bush. McCain has voted against several things Bush wanted, obviously they are very different. Most Republicans are severely disappointed with Bush, if McCain was anything like Bush, we would not vote for him.

I also believe in what Obama wants for the country, he wants hope and change. Too bad it is unrealistic to think that Obama can provide that for the country.

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So why'd they fail exactly?
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How is a Democrat any better than a Republican?
Argue with stats much?

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Argue with stats much?

You point out two Republicans?

Reagan made a tax cut, but did not follow up with a spending cut. Same with Bush. This is where they failed. Reagan and Bush do not equal all Republicans.
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Okay then, Vega. How would YOU have handeled 9/11?
Great question, now i believe if i was getting threats that the world trade center was in trouble, i would put the whole nation under alarm, instead of keeping it quiet. So most likely i would have stopped the tragedy from happening. Now lets assume it did happen anyway, first i would feel deeply sorry for what happen to the people who died and feel for their family. I would plan how to give so relief to those people who lost someone on that day. Afterwards, i would take my force of action against the culprit, Osama and on Al Qieda. I would make them number one on my list, but only focus on Afganistan, not stray into Iraq, and assume they were involved and that they have weapons of mass destruction. Then turning my intentions to Iran, and North Korea, and possibly creating more and more enemies along the way. Those countries would not be my
priority, but back on topic. I would go after those who i know that are responsible, not cause more problem for us and spend more money that is currently hurting the country.

Side note- I was with Bush until, he made Iraq a priority, then bringing Korea, and Iran into it. We all know that having Iraq under our belt, means oil. The reason why people hate us so much, is that we haven't been good ourselves. We say we hate dictators, but under the table we support some in in south America. War is not only about doing what's right, but there's alot to gain from war, and that's the prize that we want. yet again, that's how i feel and many historians feel that way as well, but that's for another topic.


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Reagan made a tax cut, but did not follow up with a spending cut. Same with Bush. This is where they fail.
So the fact that debt under them increased is one you agree with.

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You point out two Republicans?
Oh ... and 3 republicans. Read the graph.
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So why'd they fail exactly?
Terrorists planned to bomb the towers by of course killing themselves, but they were caught. America knew about their plot, but that was in 1993 if i remember correct.
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You point out two Republicans?

Reagan made a tax cut, but did not follow up with a spending cut. Same with Bush. This is where they failed. Reagan and Bush do not equal all Republicans

That is true, that's only two, but they have made the deficit bigger, a thing that maybe you and i will be paying in the future. I sure hope not.

Edit; Damn it, double post. My bad, how do i change that?
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Great question, now i believe if i was getting threats that the world trade center was in trouble, i would put the whole nation under alarm, instead of keeping it quiet. So most likely i would have stopped the tragedy from happening. Now lets assume it did happen anyway, first i would feel deeply sorry for what happen to the people who died and feel for their family. I would plan how to give so relief to those people who lost someone on that day. Afterwards, i would take my force of action against the culprit, Osama and on Al Qieda. I would make them number one on my list, but only focus on Afganistan, not stray into Iraq, and assume they were involved and that they have weapons of mass destruction. Then turning my intentions to Iran, and North Korea, and possibly creating more and more enemies along the way. Those countries would not be my
priority, but back on topic. I would go after those who i know that are responsible, not cause more problem for us and spend more money that is currently hurting the country.

Side note- I was with Bush until, he made Iraq a priority, then bringing Korea, and Iran into it. We all know that having Iraq under our belt, means oil. The reason why people hate us so much, is that we haven't been good ourselves. We say we hate dictators, but under the table we support some in in south America. War is not only about doing what's right, but there's alot to gain from war, and that's the prize that we want. yet again, that's how i feel and many historians feel that way as well, but that's for another topic.


Bush was merely trying to finish what his daddy started. That was the true reason for the Iraq War. Even though we were all coerced into believing there were WMDs in the beginning, I believe it is now justified since we've given freedom to the Iraqi people.

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Who says I agree with them on how they handled the fiscal issues?

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That is true, that's only two, but they have made the deficit bigger, a thing that maybe you and i will be paying in the future. I sure hope not.
Yes, which is why we can't have Obama in the White House. He understands next to nothing about the economic situations, McCain has been around for 26 years, he knows what not to do. Namely cut taxes without cutting spending.
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Yes, which is why we can't have Obama in the White House. He understands next to nothing about the economic situations, McCain has been around for 26 years, he knows what not to do. Namely cut taxes without cutting spending.[/quote]

That's a reason why some people don't want Obama in office. His lack of experience, and i think that is a very valid point. I'm concern as well, but like in a Batman qoute, "I Believe in Harvey Dent" Well, "I Believe in Barack Obama." Should be a good election.
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That's a reason why some people don't want Obama in office. His lack of experience, and i think that is a very valid point. I'm concern as well, but like in a Batman qoute, "I Believe in Harvey Dent" Well, "I Believe in Barack Obama." Should be a good election.
So you are willing to gamble America rather than take the safe bet?
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Sorry man, if you think McCain is the 'safe bet', this is the point I leave the debate. (Not that I'm an American. I wish you all the best.)
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What would you do if Osama went and hid in Iraq amongst the Civilian Population?

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Whats this about Korea and Iran? I heard they are developing nuclear technology, is the USA about the attack them?
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Whats this about Korea and Iran? I heard they are developing nuclear technology, is the USA about the attack them?
Not just the U.S.A. The entire world is threatening Iran and North Korea. In fact Russia, a supporter of Iran, put pressure on removing the uranium enrichment program. The U.N. is also slapping on some sanctions.
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