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Old 09-25-2008   #106 (permalink)
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I find it rather stupid for scientists to try and replicate such things. What good would it do if they'd created a black hole? Do thay have any way to stop it from sucking up the whole planet? No? I see. THAN WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM?!?!?!

Fired it up, nothing happened. Great. Don't gamble with earth in the future.

Consider the fuckin what if. Smashing atoms together in an attempt to prove the big bang theory? You ARE familiar with the big bang theory, right? No? Lemme fill ya in...It was a universal explosion. Yep. You know what would haen if you caused such an explosion on Earth? You're a scientist right? Surely you MUST know that an explosion so powerful right here on earth would destroy said earth, right? You went to school to be this stupid eh?
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Drawing from research performed to assess the safety of the RHIC collisions, the LHC Safety Study Group, a group of independent scientists, performed a safety analysis of the LHC, and released their findings in the 2003 report Study of Potentially Dangerous Events During Heavy-Ion Collisions at the LHC. The report concluded that there is "no basis for any conceivable threat".[5]

Following the July 2008 release of the LSAG safety report, the Executive Committee of the Division of Particles and Fields (DPF) of the American Physical Society, the world's second largest organization of physicists, issued a statement approving the LSAG's conclusions and noting that "this report explains why there is nothing to fear from particles created at the LHC".[9] On 1 August 2008, a group of German quantum physicists, the Committee for Elementary Particle Physics (KET),[31] published an open letter further dismissing concerns about the LHC experiments and carrying assurances that they are safe based on the LSAG safety review.[2][32]


On 20 June 2008, Steven Giddings and Michelangelo Mangano issued a research paper titled the "Astrophysical implications of hypothetical stable TeV-scale black holes", where they develop arguments to exclude any risk of dangerous black hole production at the LHC.[33] On 18 August 2008, this safety review was published in the Physical Review D,[34] and a commentary article which appeared the same day in the journal Physics[35] The LSAG report draws heavily on this research.[16]



The black holes that would be created are so small they dissolve into nothing in an instant. They can't hold their structure. Also, some may get their wish as the Collider is having some technical difficulties and will be down for a while. The world is safe for now


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Problems with a magnetic quench on September 19, 2008, caused a leak of a tonne of liquid helium, and has delayed the operation for several months. [38] Since the repairs are scheduled to be finished around late November, this conflicts into the winter shutdown, meaning particles will not collide until Spring 2009.
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Man, has anyone actually researched what they are doing in CERN? I think its awesome! And out of the ways to go, all getting sucked into a blackhole in persuit of knowledge doesnt seem too bad.

The collider was'nt 'turned on' in August, its actually being activated in November, it was a routine thing they did when they just fired stuff around the system, and didnt collide it, to discover any faults. Lucky they did as they found one, which will set back the actual activation a month or so.

But if you actually watch the documentaries on it.. then.. WOW.. i mean, prepare to be baffled with string theory if you dont do physics (like me) but its awesome what they are doing. They are chilling the entire structure down to a temperature below that of deep space... I mean, HOW?! that alone is awesome. They are not trying to create blackholes, and that eventuality is hghly unlikely, and also they will be so small that they will dissolve, which has already been said here.

If the collider works, they may be able to discover the "god particle" which does have a more scientific name, i just cant remember it off hand, and that will answer ALOT of questions and pretty much make scientists undisputeable, which is gonna be tough for im thinking, a lot of highly religious fundamentalist groups, as it will pretty much shoot down their theories in flames (<3)

However, if they DONT discover the god particle... i heard one man talking and saying that if that was the case, it would almost be better from a scientific point of view, because that would mean they wuld have to rethink all their theories, and find out where they have gone wrong.

But all the concerns aout CERN are moronic (IMO) I think its excelent, and besies by the time they actually DO activate it, people will probably have forgotten about it after all the fuss kicked up over a trial run. I'll back CERN all the way quite frankly.
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Lucky they did as they found one, which will set back the actual activation a month or so.
Lets say they were stupid, and fired up the machine without checking and finding this fault. What would have happened?
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The real test begins on 10/21/08 correct me if im wrong. On NBC news a few weeks ago, they had a guy saying that if a black hole is created, it will be microscopic and evaporate in a split second, and that it would take many lifetimes of the universe for this to pose a threat. It can be turn off very easy if it becomes a threat.

I can't wait to see what happens because i think something like this can change history forever.
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Lets say they were stupid, and fired up the machine without checking and finding this fault. What would have happened?
But they're not stupid. And they did check. =/

But, if they didn't find one, depending on what was wrong, there could be several different problems. My guess would be the collider wouldn't work at all.
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the problem was there was a leak of the substance that cools it, i believe. Im not sure, cant remember exactly. But i really dont see the point in saying "yes, but what if??" Because they are scientists, they are not stupid, they did check. You can't use that as an argument, becuse it didn't happen.
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the problem was there was a leak of the substance that cools it, i believe. Im not sure, cant remember exactly. But i really dont see the point in saying "yes, but what if??" Because they are scientists, they are not stupid, they did check. You can't use that as an argument, becuse it didn't happen.
The fuck you on about? Whats this argument you speak of?
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Can you not read? She said "but, what if?" What if the scientists didn't catch something and everything went horribly wrong? "What if" can be used as a theoretical argument but you don't really have anything to base it on.
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Lets say they were stupid, and fired up the machine without checking and finding this fault. What would have happened?
They would get ridiculous test results and know something is wrong then proceed to re-check the entire machine. Either that, or it wouldn't work.

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If the collider works, they may be able to discover the "god particle" which does have a more scientific name, i just cant remember it off hand, and that will answer ALOT of questions and pretty much make scientists undisputeable, which is gonna be tough for im thinking, a lot of highly religious fundamentalist groups, as it will pretty much shoot down their theories in flames (<3)

However, if they DONT discover the god particle... i heard one man talking and saying that if that was the case, it would almost be better from a scientific point of view, because that would mean they wuld have to rethink all their theories, and find out where they have gone wrong
The god particle (Higgs-Boson particle) is supposed to be the particle that gives matter mass. I found a good video on youtube that explains:



Edit: Fucking Youtube never works for me on here...

YouTube - The God Particle

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Can you not read? She said "but, what if?" What if the scientists didn't catch something and everything went horribly wrong? "What if" can be used as a theoretical argument but you don't really have anything to base it on.
I can read, I have no idea what the hell your trying to say. And its completely fine, in fact a good thing to ask 'what if'

The video doesn't seem to work BTW
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