10,000 dead in Burma. - Page 5

**Punxx** · 05-09-2008

I'm kind of surpirsed this didn't make the news sooner too. We heard about it here in NZ basically the next day (same day even I think). Death toll is confirmed at approx 22,300. Official reports say that the toll could climb up to 100,000 because of the current conditions and difficulty getting aid to the victims. It's likely to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. I guess you guys didn't hear about the monk uprising there either did you? Hundreds given life sentences and killed for simply protesting about the government treatment. Monks ... fucking seriuosly! Wasn't as bad as last time when thousands were killed for exactly the same thing.

On the note of your little political discussion: America shouldn't give Aid because it has to but rather because it's the right thing to do. I hate the whole notion of world police, it really makes me sick. But it's the title your country has chosen to wear through a series of very controversial actions in recent times. The news shouldn't be about 'if it didn't happen to us who the fuck cares' it should be much more unselfish and try to show more of an international view. There will always be things to talk about coming from your own country but sometimes there are more important things than the democratic candidacy and the state of the economy. In my view burying your head in the sand and saying too bad so sad, glad it wasn't us, is very self-centred and selfish. Maybe that's just me.

So glad I'm in New Zealand now and not Canada and have to deal with so much of that crap cause I'm so much further away.

**Goku** · 05-09-2008

In our news coverage in the U.K many U.N nations are offering money and support but the military "junta" as they are called in Burma are saying give the money to the government and they will distribute it accordingly. And that is a recipe for disaster.

The death toll will rise alot considering now not only death from floods but now people livelihoods are gone mean some cant make a living. Cholera and malaria. I doubt their government will ever release the full figures but its going to be huge. I only hope they stop being so prideful and accept Aid.

**Punxx** · 05-09-2008

Oh yeah, they said their official reason for not allowing American planes to land in Burma is because they don't trust what the Americans are going to do other than distribute aid.

**Goku** · 05-09-2008

Obviously you cant force them. But their actions now if they are the wrong ones will have a far bigger impact on their country in the future considering the fact that if this is dealt with wrong the people will always look at the burmese government in different way and may not want to deal with them. They will shoot themselves in the foot twice if they do not accept help.

**Punxx** · 05-09-2008

They've already got a pretty shit reputation as it is. The fact that they've crushed 2 protests led by monks with some really shady results has won them no love in the international community. The only people who continue to help them are the Chinese and since the last incident there even they've shyed away from aiding them.

As unfortunate as it is, it is bound to get so much worse than it is now.

**Manic** · 05-09-2008

Can't say I blame them. I'm not sure what they think Americans would suddenly do if they landed there, but it's not like our past transgressions and current standings make us a very easy nation to trust. Well, I shouldn't say trust. More like tolerate.

**Punxx** · 05-09-2008

Lol ... didn't want to be the one to say it after my slightly anti-american tirade up there but yes ... I wholeheartedly concur. But having said that they are a bunch of xenophobic half-wits so they've got that going against them too.

Island of 1,000 Condiments · 05-09-2008

America is in no situation to be helping other countries. Involving ourselves in another country’s affairs has never been a policy I supported. We may have a reputation to, but when it comes right down to it, we don’t have to. We have to help ourselves first, and when it’s between the starving children in Africa and settling a struggling economy, I’d choose the latter. There is no ‘Press here for Americans’ button. We have other priorities, namely getting our economy out of a recession. We’re also in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those two countries are on opposite ends of the world, I might add. It’s always Americans who need to help when I problem arises. Yet, where are other countries? How about China? They’re at least on the same continent. India? How about Russia? All three can easily be considered superpowers. Yet, Americans are supposed to come and save the day? We have our own problems. We can’t afford to venture off into Asia (again) and give our support. We could barely manage Katrina. Our response teams were slow enough in our own country. Halfway across the world, though? Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for supporting my fellow man. However, when it comes to my neighbor against someone out in Asia, I’d choose my neighbor. For example, if there were two fires. One burnt down my neighbor’s house. The other burnt down someone else’s in California. Suppose I heard about the fire in California. Who would I jump to help? Would a reasonable person fly all the way to California with supplies? No, he wouldn’t. He’d stay and help his neighbor. He’d stay and help out his community. Country to country, continent to continent, it’s the same concept, just on a smaller scale. Sure, people aren’t dying in America, but nobody is obliged to have their tax money spent somewhere in Asia. It could be used to build libraries, perhaps even research diseases. How about the war effort? I rest my case.

Empathy · 05-10-2008

The junta agreed to allow one plane to land from America. WOW. That plane is going to be able to help the hundred thousand homeless people, for sure.

Vivi · 05-10-2008

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Originally Posted by Island of 1,000 Condiments

America is in no situation to be helping other countries. Involving ourselves in another country’s affairs has never been a policy I supported. We may have a reputation to, but when it comes right down to it, we don’t have to. We have to help ourselves first, and when it’s between the starving children in Africa and settling a struggling economy, I’d choose the latter. There is no ‘Press here for Americans’ button. We have other priorities, namely getting our economy out of a recession. We’re also in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those two countries are on opposite ends of the world, I might add. It’s always Americans who need to help when I problem arises. Yet, where are other countries? How about China? They’re at least on the same continent. India? How about Russia? All three can easily be considered superpowers. Yet, Americans are supposed to come and save the day? We have our own problems. We can’t afford to venture off into Asia (again) and give our support. We could barely manage Katrina. Our response teams were slow enough in our own country. Halfway across the world, though? Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for supporting my fellow man. However, when it comes to my neighbor against someone out in Asia, I’d choose my neighbor. For example, if there were two fires. One burnt down my neighbor’s house. The other burnt down someone else’s in California. Suppose I heard about the fire in California. Who would I jump to help? Would a reasonable person fly all the way to California with supplies? No, he wouldn’t. He’d stay and help his neighbor. He’d stay and help out his community. Country to country, continent to continent, it’s the same concept, just on a smaller scale. Sure, people aren’t dying in America, but nobody is obliged to have their tax money spent somewhere in Asia. It could be used to build libraries, perhaps even research diseases. How about the war effort? I rest my case.

Don't forget we're stationed near North Korea*, and all around Europe.

But I whole heartedly agree with you, even if we weren't in such situations though, it should be private charity, not the government who gets involved. After all, it is our tax dollars being used, and charity should not be mandatory.

EDIT: *Fixed.

Empathy · 05-10-2008

"Don't forget we're in North Korea."

Um, what?

Vivi · 05-10-2008

Oops, I meant stationed near North Korea. Sorry 'bout that. *Edits original post*

**Manic** · 05-10-2008

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SRP76 · 05-10-2008

I'd like to see the government there actually do something themselves, instead of just seizing incoming aid. If they want to be in control of everything, maybe they should prove they can control something first.

Lord_Sloth · 05-10-2008

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Originally Posted by Empathy

Yeah, rebuilding homes for a hundred thousand people should only take the Burmese government a few weeks. Hang in there, guys.

So the total has been raised to 22,000 and we as Americans still aren't hearing about it.

Says who? I know this guy on the net who won't shut up about it.

05-09-2008	#61 (permalink)
Punxx Administrator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,508 Rep Power: 200	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. I'm kind of surpirsed this didn't make the news sooner too. We heard about it here in NZ basically the next day (same day even I think). Death toll is confirmed at approx 22,300. Official reports say that the toll could climb up to 100,000 because of the current conditions and difficulty getting aid to the victims. It's likely to get a whole lot worse before it gets better. I guess you guys didn't hear about the monk uprising there either did you? Hundreds given life sentences and killed for simply protesting about the government treatment. Monks ... fucking seriuosly! Wasn't as bad as last time when thousands were killed for exactly the same thing. On the note of your little political discussion: America shouldn't give Aid because it has to but rather because it's the right thing to do. I hate the whole notion of world police, it really makes me sick. But it's the title your country has chosen to wear through a series of very controversial actions in recent times. The news shouldn't be about 'if it didn't happen to us who the fuck cares' it should be much more unselfish and try to show more of an international view. There will always be things to talk about coming from your own country but sometimes there are more important things than the democratic candidacy and the state of the economy. In my view burying your head in the sand and saying too bad so sad, glad it wasn't us, is very self-centred and selfish. Maybe that's just me. So glad I'm in New Zealand now and not Canada and have to deal with so much of that crap cause I'm so much further away. __________________ Much love to Goku for the sig...! \|\| Praise Manic for the sweet avy MFG Rules: Don't be a Dumbass!

05-09-2008	#62 (permalink)
Goku Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pureland Posts: 3,226 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 200	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. In our news coverage in the U.K many U.N nations are offering money and support but the military "junta" as they are called in Burma are saying give the money to the government and they will distribute it accordingly. And that is a recipe for disaster. The death toll will rise alot considering now not only death from floods but now people livelihoods are gone mean some cant make a living. Cholera and malaria. I doubt their government will ever release the full figures but its going to be huge. I only hope they stop being so prideful and accept Aid. __________________ Goku's DeviantArt <3 Teecee for the awesome sig

05-09-2008	#63 (permalink)
Punxx Administrator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,508 Rep Power: 200	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. Oh yeah, they said their official reason for not allowing American planes to land in Burma is because they don't trust what the Americans are going to do other than distribute aid. __________________ Much love to Goku for the sig...! \|\| Praise Manic for the sweet avy MFG Rules: Don't be a Dumbass!

05-09-2008	#64 (permalink)
Goku Administrator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Pureland Posts: 3,226 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 200	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. Obviously you cant force them. But their actions now if they are the wrong ones will have a far bigger impact on their country in the future considering the fact that if this is dealt with wrong the people will always look at the burmese government in different way and may not want to deal with them. They will shoot themselves in the foot twice if they do not accept help. __________________ Goku's DeviantArt <3 Teecee for the awesome sig

05-09-2008	#65 (permalink)
Punxx Administrator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,508 Rep Power: 200	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. They've already got a pretty shit reputation as it is. The fact that they've crushed 2 protests led by monks with some really shady results has won them no love in the international community. The only people who continue to help them are the Chinese and since the last incident there even they've shyed away from aiding them. As unfortunate as it is, it is bound to get so much worse than it is now. __________________ Much love to Goku for the sig...! \|\| Praise Manic for the sweet avy MFG Rules: Don't be a Dumbass!

05-09-2008	#66 (permalink)
Manic Administrator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Georgia, US Posts: 2,016 Rep Power: 200	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. Can't say I blame them. I'm not sure what they think Americans would suddenly do if they landed there, but it's not like our past transgressions and current standings make us a very easy nation to trust. Well, I shouldn't say trust. More like tolerate. __________________ Download mIRC and click here to access MFG's chatroom.

05-09-2008	#67 (permalink)
Punxx Administrator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 4,508 Rep Power: 200	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. Lol ... didn't want to be the one to say it after my slightly anti-american tirade up there but yes ... I wholeheartedly concur. But having said that they are a bunch of xenophobic half-wits so they've got that going against them too. __________________ Much love to Goku for the sig...! \|\| Praise Manic for the sweet avy MFG Rules: Don't be a Dumbass!

05-09-2008	#68 (permalink)
Island of 1,000 Condiments (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,014 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 93	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. America is in no situation to be helping other countries. Involving ourselves in another country’s affairs has never been a policy I supported. We may have a reputation to, but when it comes right down to it, we don’t have to. We have to help ourselves first, and when it’s between the starving children in Africa and settling a struggling economy, I’d choose the latter. There is no ‘Press here for Americans’ button. We have other priorities, namely getting our economy out of a recession. We’re also in Afghanistan and Iraq. Those two countries are on opposite ends of the world, I might add. It’s always Americans who need to help when I problem arises. Yet, where are other countries? How about China? They’re at least on the same continent. India? How about Russia? All three can easily be considered superpowers. Yet, Americans are supposed to come and save the day? We have our own problems. We can’t afford to venture off into Asia (again) and give our support. We could barely manage Katrina. Our response teams were slow enough in our own country. Halfway across the world, though? Don’t get me wrong. I’m all for supporting my fellow man. However, when it comes to my neighbor against someone out in Asia, I’d choose my neighbor. For example, if there were two fires. One burnt down my neighbor’s house. The other burnt down someone else’s in California. Suppose I heard about the fire in California. Who would I jump to help? Would a reasonable person fly all the way to California with supplies? No, he wouldn’t. He’d stay and help his neighbor. He’d stay and help out his community. Country to country, continent to continent, it’s the same concept, just on a smaller scale. Sure, people aren’t dying in America, but nobody is obliged to have their tax money spent somewhere in Asia. It could be used to build libraries, perhaps even research diseases. How about the war effort? I rest my case. __________________ - Retired Super Moderator - I wasn't demodded. I quit. Stop asking me about it.

05-10-2008	#69 (permalink)
Empathy (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Parts, Unknown Posts: 2,037 Rep Power: 28	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. The junta agreed to allow one plane to land from America. WOW. That plane is going to be able to help the hundred thousand homeless people, for sure. __________________

05-10-2008	#71 (permalink)
Empathy (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Parts, Unknown Posts: 2,037 Rep Power: 28	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. "Don't forget we're in North Korea." Um, what? __________________

05-10-2008	#72 (permalink)
Vivi (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In my room contemplating life and existence. Posts: 4,358 Rep Power: 40	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. Oops, I meant stationed near North Korea. Sorry 'bout that. Edits original post __________________

05-10-2008	#74 (permalink)
SRP76 (22) Super Saiyan 3 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,274 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 30	Re: 10,000 dead in Burma. I'd like to see the government there actually do something themselves, instead of just seizing incoming aid. If they want to be in control of everything, maybe they should prove they can control something first.