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But it's the whole Freud Gospel truth that irks me. His observation and research does not determine an absolute answer. No one can read minds and very few people can truly know what goeson in peoples heads. They can take educated guess that will be pretty accurate or luckily so, but to use that a template for an entire race of people isa bit far fetched.
He obssessed with sex because it was the root of everything in his theories and then there was his own supressed sexuality that he wanted to hide. He didn't like being a homosexual I've read and it could be that is a reason for his obsessing with it.
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But it's the whole Freud Gospel truth that irks me. His observation and research does not determine an absolute answer. No one can read minds and very few people can truly know what goeson in peoples heads. They can take educated guess that will be pretty accurate or luckily so, but to use that a template for an entire race of people isa bit far fetched.
He did lots of research and from the observations of experiments he did he came to those conclusions. No, it's not absolute truth, but it's the best idea we've got. What you are inpugning is the whole theory of scientific method. That's how we've always figured out how things work; conclusions based on research and observations. No, he can't read minds, but neither can anyone else and so this is the best idea we've got. Yes, some people treat it as truth, but some people like to eat their own shit. Ignore them or ridicule them.
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I don't think it counts as the best idea if it isn't true. The incest complexes are examples of that.
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I don't think it counts as the best idea if it isn't true. The incest complexes are examples of that.
Can you prove it isn't true? These are ideas based on our best understanding of the human mind.
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I don't think Oedipus knew he killed his father and married his mother at first, and back then, incestuous things weren't quite as frowned upon in as many societies.
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Oedipus was the son of Laius and Jocasta. Before his birth it was prophesied that he would murder his father. To avoid this calamity, the child was given to a herdsman who was told to kill him. The herdsman, out of pity and yet fearing to disobey, instead gave him to another herdsman, tying his feet together and piercing them with a stake (which caused him to permanently have swollen feet – hence one meaning of Oedipus which translates to "swollen foot"; it also comes from the Greek root meaning knowledge). The herdsman took the infant Oedipus to his master, the king of Corinth, Polybus, who adopted him as his own son.
Many years later Oedipus is told that he is not the son of Polybus. To confirm this, he seeks help from an oracle and is told that he is destined to kill his father and mate with his mother. In his attempt to evade the dictates of the oracle, he decides to flee from home to Thebes on the other side of the mountains.
As Oedipus was travelling by horse to Thebes, he came to a crossroads where he met a chariot, which, unbeknownst to him, was driven by Laius, his true father. A dispute arose over right of way, and the outcome was that Oedipus killed Laius. Continuing his journey to Thebes, Oedipus encountered the Sphinx, who stopped any traveller and asked him a riddle that none had yet been able to solve. If the traveller failed, he was eaten by the Sphinx. The riddle was “What walks on four feet in the morning, two in the afternoon and three at night?" The answer was “Man." Oedipus solved the riddle, and the Sphinx threw herself to her death. The gratitude of the Thebans led them to appoint Oedipus as their king. Oedipus was also given the widow Jocasta (who was also his mother) as his wife. Over the years, Oedipus and Jocasta had four children – two sons, Polynices and Eteocles (see Seven Against Thebes), and two daughters Antigone and Ismene (see Antigone).
Many years after the marriage of Oedipus and Jocasta, a plague struck the city of Thebes. Oedipus, with his typical hubris, asserted that he could and would end the plague. He sent Creon, Jocasta's brother to the Oracle at Delphi seeking guidance and finds that the murderer of Laius must be found and either killed or exiled. In a search for the identity of the killer, Oedipus sends for the blind prophet Tiresias, who warns him not to try to find the killer. In an angry exchange, Tiresias tells Oedipus that he is the killer and suggests that he is living in shame and doesn't know who his true parents are. Undaunted, Oedipus continues his search. When a messenger arrives from Corinth with the news that Polybus is dead, Oedipus still worries about the prophecy that he will mate with his mother. The messenger reassures him with the news that he is adopted. Jocasta then realizes who Oedipus is and goes in to the palace to kill herself. Oedipus seeks verification of the messenger's story from the very same herdsman who was to have left Oedipus to die as a baby. From that herdsman, Oedipus learns that the infant raised as the adopted son of Polybus and Merope was the son of Laius and Jocasta. Thus, Oedipus finally sees that at the crossroads he had killed his own father, and then he had married his own mother, Jocasta.
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Can you prove it isn't true? These are ideas based on our best understanding of the human mind.
'if' it isn't true I said.
Again reinforcing the notion that no one can read the mind of another. I can pick 10 people of the street and claim that through research and observation that they all experience an erotic pleasure at the sight of cats urinating on the dead carcasses of mice due to an obsession people have with humiliating those the prey on.

Does that mean that it's absolute that every human is labelled thusly and does it even mean that my findings are completely true and there is no way of claiming otherwise?

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Yeah I mentioned that he didn't know he married his mother, but I wasn't aware he killed his father. Did he kill his father over his mother?
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'if' it isn't true I said.
Again reinforcing the notion that no one can read the mind of another. I can pick 10 people of the street and claim that through research and observation that they all experience an erotic pleasure at the sight of cats urinating on the dead carcasses of mice due to an obsession people have with humiliating those the prey on.

Does that mean that it's absolute that every human is labelled thusly and does it even mean that my findings are completely true and there is no way of claiming otherwise?
You don't just make claims, and the research would be of a much higher number than that. Your point is flawed.
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You don't just make claims, and the research would be of a much higher number than that. Your point is flawed.
My point is not flawed it's valid. And fine to appease you I picked 125 urinating feline fethises. Happy
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He also has that theory about every human's desire to destroy oneself.
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My point is not flawed it's valid. And fine to appease you I picked 125 urinating feline fethises. Happy
That would be an unbalanced review, as you have prior knowledge if you took a survey of 1,000 people and found out that 87% of them loved apple pie, it's a fair assumption that 87% of the population of that town loves apple pie. It's impossible to ever be totally sure.
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chrsit, what the hell did I miss here
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Nothing much. Some talk about Freud, shit, incest and apple pie.
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