Super Cool

LMAO!

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Ivan

Humans do some selfish things, but that doesn't make every action they do selfish. In no way is instinct selfish--I'm sure you are aware that instinct is executing actions without thinking about them. How can somebody's action be for selfish reason when there was no reason to begin with? Do you consider it selfish that, by their nature, humans don't bend and do everything they are asked to do?

By nature, I've been pretty cautious to avoid being around a bull that's on the loose. I am also aware that a lot of people find it funny to watch people get flipped around by bulls, but I refuse to entertain them because of who I am.

By nature, I have no interest in listening to scream-o. I know plenty of people who do enjoy it and suggest I listen, but I do not. Is this selfish?

By nature, I shit into a toilet, flush, and wipe my ass. There are plenty of people in the world who enjoy being shit on or watching people shit, but I don't seek them out to help them get their jollies off. Is this selfish?

By nature, I tend to call people out on stupid things they say. They'd probably be happier thinking they are always right, but I try my damnedest to straighten them up so they don't sound like an idiot later on. Is this selfish?

By nature, I refuse to let my cat get in my face because he has unbelievably foul breath. My cat, on the other hand, loves getting in my face and laying around my head area in general. Is it selfish that I don't let my cat do this?

Empathy

Instinct has nothing to do with whether or not you enjoy being shat on. You don't react without thinking. Because there are people out there who do enjoy it, the human mind weighs out the pros and cons and, for most people, will decide not to partake in such an act. That is not instinct. That is your mind coming to a personal conclusion on your own behalf.

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Ivan

I wasn't talking about their instincts, but my own.

Edit IT IS THE NATURAL ORDER THAT MY ASS BE CLEAN AND I SHIT IN PRIVATE.

Empathy

Well, I prefer having four-legged friends than two-legged friends because they can't carry knives to stab you in the back.

You like it.

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Manic

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Ivan

By nature, scrawny white people tense up when droves of black people come around. It's just like the zebras when they see a lion in the distance. Both realize that there's a history of wild ambushes and the eating of children and elderly.

OH GOD, IT'S LIKE I'M SEEING DOUBLE HERE.

Nikushimi

You misunderstood completely.

I didn't say humans don't do anything appauling. I said when they do, it shouldn't be considered an act of human nature. Genocides are often the result of pride, greed, and prejudice, and while those ARE human emotions, the atrocities committed by the people who feel them are in complete ignorance or denial of the wrong that they are committing (or perhaps not; I wouldn't know).

I'm saying true human nature is good, and that we have a sense of right and wrong, and that when we choose to ignore what's right in spite of knowing it, or even not knowing it at all, it is more of an animalistic impulse than a humane choice.

Ultimately, I'm saying good is human nature and bad or bypassing of good is animal nature. That's obviously not completely true, since animals can't commit anything knowingly "bad", but it's a generalization I'm using anyway.

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ANB

What really kills this thread is the fact humans choose to do what they do. No matter how you look at it, everything is a choice.

And you can't generalize such a complex species either. Or...you'll turn out like this guy: http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n...iteralROFL.png

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Lisa

EDIT: I'm sick of this discussion so I'll just explain what I meant: I didn't mean the number of people who were murdered but the ideology the murder was based on. The Americans actually thought about the Native Americans as the German thought about the Jewish/Gay/Polish: Unworthy life, either savage or greedy.

The US described Native Americans as "animals" and this designation inspired and justified slavery and the genocidal campaign against the native peoples of America. As the Indians were being driven from their land and their way of life destroyed, government agents and the press characterized them as ugly, filthy, and inhuman "beasts," "swine," "dogs," "wolves," "snakes," "pigs," "baboons," "gorillas," and "oran-gutans."

Sounds familiar?

The German characterized Jews as "subhumans" and designated them as "pigs" to be slaughtered and "vermin" and "insects" to be exterminated.

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Ivan

The main difference between Natives and Jewish people was that Natives were willing to sell out; they'd trade various things just to get their hands on what the white man had, and the worst of it was alcohol. Go to a reservation, and you're bound to find that most of the Natives are just drunken fools that come from a line of drunken fools.

Also, many Indians willingly left their land because they were too ignorant to realize what was being done. I forgot how Americans gathered up Natives into trucks, sent them off to a "labor camp," and systematically shot, gassed, burned, beat, starved, and worked to death every single one was dead.

Many Americans consider terrorists (from the Middle East) to be savage, ruthless creatures, and we have had some imprisoned and abused for the sake of entertainment. I GUESS WE'RE STARTING ANOTHER HOLOCAUST HERE, GUYS.

Lisa

Lol, so basically what you're saying is that the Native Americans didn't deserve better and had it coming?

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Fred

Actually Hal, when Jewish people were pushed to the brink, they would steal the foods of their neighbors, or do some of the Nazi's jobs for them(Crematoria managment, gas chamber overseer), and at times when they felt other Jews were going to get the rest of them killed because they were going crazy or stealing shit, they would turn them in or beat them to death.

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Ivan

My point is that Native Americans pretty much screwed themselves over.

Yeah, man, all these Jews were selling out, that's why so many of them were still sleeping in massive bunkers and dealing with disease and starvation.

Fred

I'm not saying all the Jews sold out. I'm saying that as a response to you saying that Native Americans almost deserved it more because of their actions. When people are dehumanized, it's either your life or the next guys.

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