Nikushimi

God, you autists make it impossible to drop a pun...

I have a serious side too, y'know. D:

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Lisa

It's funny how humans always believe that it's the animal nature which is evil and the human nature which is good. Think about it, I don't know any animal which is as cruel as the human being. Let's take the Holocaust as an example: Humans overcame their "humanity" and singled out a specific group of people for their religious (and therefore very human) believes. They thought about it, put together an ideology and based on this weird concept they tried to extinct a certain group of people. This behaviour which tends to reappear rather often (various religiour wars) is utterly non-animalistic as there is no comparable phenomenon in the animal world. Killing with a method, with cold "logic" is a human side, not an animal one. If an animal kills another one it either does this to eat it or to defend itself (except for cats, it's only for the fun here) but not because it singled it out to be not worthy to live.
The sheer fact that humans need a written moral, a book of taboos, shows that there seems to be no real moral in us. We have rules and penalties in order to keep the so-called "harmony" up and we blame the animals whenever we don't act like "humans.

I'd write more but class starts.

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Halcyon

Saying the only reason somebody would blow themselves up with their enemy is to obtain virgins is incorrect, because there are more than just that religious sect that are doing that. We told you not to generalize.

Kurushimi

I hate how people find all the bad aspects of people to label human nature. How many people do you see starting Holocausts? What? So few?

Could it be that it isn't in human nature to murder other people carelessly?

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Lisa

I hate how people find all the bad aspects of people to label animal nature.
Any religious war was based on the idea, that others are either wrong or plain out unworthy to live. So let's see how many religious wars have we had? Oh, so many? Could it be that it is in the human nature to murder other people carelessly?

I chose religion on purpose as it is absoultely and only found in human nature, not in the animal's nature. Therefore it is very representative when we want to see how humans act out of their very own self-aqcuired nature.

And on a totally different note: any bird will play wounded in order to draw the attention of the attacker on itself so that it's babies are save, this we call instincts. When a human mother/father does the same we tend to speak of love and self-sacrifice. Funny.

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Lisa...

Alright, if you think that humans label savage behavior as animal like just because of a preconcieved notion, then you're wrong. If you've ever seen the full force of animal on animal fighting, and if you've ever witnessed a large herd of animals left to die with the bodies ripped open in the middle of a field after being attacked by a group of hungry predators, then you would understand why. However, I do agree that humans are like animals in everyway; both of which fight over territory and take no prisoners when it comes to their survival.

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ANB

Hey Nikushimi,

This guy doesn't believe in love. That means he doesn't believe in it's opposite concept: Hatred.

And if he lacks hatred...

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I hate how people find all the bad aspects of people to label animal nature.

Lol, grazing animals are perfectly willing to leave their own relatives while running away from a predator.

Lisa, we're not saying all negative aspects of humanity are our animalistic side. We're saying because there are people that can CHOOSE to be "good" means we are sentient being and are beyond simply "surviving and being the most fit".

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Lord_Sloth

Well ya know, despite how dumb and annoyingly self promoting I think you are I would never wish harm upon you so you're wrong there. When was the last time the US started a war based on Religion? When was the last time the US started a war? Huh? So few? Yeah.

Because a bird has no love. When they lose a child, they don't mourn. They just leave and make another.

Did you know that a bird will abandon it's nest and leave it's young if it senses danger like a snake? Funny.

Did you know that Crocodiles eat baby Crocodiles? It's why the females are bigger.

Did you know that cats suffocate kittens sometimes so they won't have any competition in being the Alpha male? Funny.

Did you know that animal kill any young when born that have a defect? This works in either starvation or other methods. I've seen it done. Had to feed the kitten myself. However, I didn't breastfeed. XP

Oops, I did it again...I've insulted animals for no reason what-so-ever. I'm in a selfish and bad mood. Time to go run down a dog like the monster I am.

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Lisa

To Sloth: Look who's talking Mr. Rant who's whiny and sappy all the time and apparantly doesn't know jack about his own's country's history. So you say the war in Irag isn't happening? Or even better, that the native Americans weren't killed off like sick dogs? You remind me strongly of Stan from American Dad shouting "USA USA!!!" Piece of advice: Acquire some knowledge cause it's emberassing when you say stuff like the US didn't start a war recently.

Also to your examples a few counter examples:
Did you know that there are women who kill their babies after they were born and burry them somewhere not feeling any pity at all?
Did you know that there are not so few people who rape children, sometimes even their own?
Did you know that there are parents who beat their children to death or let them starve?
Did you know that there are scientists building nuclear bombs fully well aware of what those can cause?
Funny.

Oh and besides: We've got no predators left so we can moan, elephants can, too. Actually all bigger mammals have the luxury to moan for their dead ones it's natural. The smaller ones who have to watch out for many predators would be extinct if they took their time to moan.


To the others: I'm not thinking that animals are the best of the best and if a bear attacked me I'd probably kill it (given I had the opportunity to do so) in order to survive. I'd do the same with a human.
All I'm trying to say is that people (especially some of you guys) say that all bad stuff lies within the animal nature and that all the good things are based on the human one.
In the end humans are nothing but animals, naked apes who have a bigger brain. Couldn't it be that animals have emotions, too and that we like them are based on instincts and on emotions?

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WeKillYouAll

without having read any of the replies and only the first post I would like to speak without any biased opinion on the matter. Forgive me in advanced if my thoughts contain similar ideals to those who already posted but I cannot read 6 pages of posts at work.

To me Love is an ability. When you gain the ability to love someone you give yourself up for them mentally, physically and spiritually. The love you have for your parents, brother/sister/relatives, wife/girlfriend and best friends is an unconditional love. One filled with sacrifice. When I truly love someone I know in my heart that I would give my life up for them. It hurts me too much to see them hurt in turn a sacrifice of my life would be less painful. I know for a fact if anyone I loved was in a terrible situation like about to be shot or hit by a car I would save them without even thinking. Inherently humans are selfish and only to a certain extent(that is to gain what is needed to survive). The world is filled with give and take and you can't always expect people to give as much as you. Giving and expecting is selfish. Taking and not giving is selfish. You must give and take when absolutely necessary. Everyone is not going to know how unselfish you are...it's wrong to expect so much from others and it really isn't a bad thing if you're the only one that knows how good of a person you are.

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Lord_Sloth

Funny. I could have SWORN the planes crashing into the twin towers had SOMETHING to do with the war. Hmm...

Did you know we arrest thos people and call them Psychopaths? That behavior is not normal to humans while it's perfectly normal to animals.
See above...
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Yes indeed they do. How many scientists do that anyway? Compare that number to the number of people in the world.

Actually I'm not very patriotic so, no.

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Eliwood21

Nah~, that was just a pleasant greetings. =/

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Super_17

I know I could never hunt and kill a animal myself I cant even watch a animal die

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Lisa

I know what you mean, I feel the same about certain people and I'd do about anything so that they won't get hurt. I also tend to help basically anyone (which totally goes against what I'm saying but it's true - I'm a hypocrite after all, lol), I hate it when people are just looking away. Like this one time when an old woman collapsed and all people would just look away and pretend she wasn't lying there on the chairs. I was so pissed how selfish one can be, she needed some medcine for her heart and I was the only one who went to her and helped her. This happens too often and I don't get why? But than again maybe I'm just doing it cause it gives me a good feeling, who knows. Or I simply couldn't live with myself if I didn't do it which is selfish, too.
In the end I guess we really do things just for ourselves, the question is if that's necessarily a bad thing. If we try to be as good as possible and therefore feel better but at the same time make the world a better place selfishness could be a good thing.

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