Majuub

I think our baisc instincts still dominates every single feeling we have but there are some exceptions. It's like when a parent has a kid, when the kid is in danger, the parent doesn't care, he'll just save him regardless if he's in danger too. We're not ''animals'' anymore, emotions and instincts are the two things that control a human being above all else. It's true we do everything to better ourselves but that's basically the whole point of being alive, it's to make ourselves better and better. We are a sociable species so we'll work together in order to survive and evolve, that perfectly make sense in my opinion.

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Jonny America

I don't think we convert to our primal instincts until we're forced to. For example, during the Holocaust, the Jews would often turn on themselves before they reached death, and some of them would even steal food from relatives, just to keep alive. Others would kill fellow jewish people if they felt that they would get them into trouble. Those are base instincts.

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Kaio

You can't just say that there's no reason behind it; there always is. Most parents think of their children as an extension of themselves, which is why they try to control them and encourage them to do what they want them to do and become successful in life to do the things they did/ couldn't do; to be proud of them. They save their child because if they let them die, they'll feel guilty that their child won't live on anymore, that they didn't do enough to prevent their demise, that they won't get to see them fulfill their own wishes of making them proud.

Instincts and emotions drive us to go out to restaurants and super markets to buy food; we are no different from what we consider animals besides that we have a more advanced sense of reasoning and logic, which helps us serve our instincts to a greater extent. Instead of just eating to fulfill a need, you're buying a juicy steak to feed you and make life more interesting for you; you're fulfilling wants and needs at the same time, making the process more efficient. I truly don't see anything else dictating our lives.

Lisa

@ Sloth: lol you religious carnivores. I just stated my opinion when it comes to the moral status of humans and in case you didn't notice, I implied that humans are mostly turning against their own race.
And to the saved animals: as stated before it's not because people think that they should do something for them since they almost wiped them out completely, it's just because they realized that screwing around with nature and it's balance leads to a disaster which will fall back on humans.
@Johnny: Apparently you didn't get what I tried to say, with this example (and I chose it deliberatly as those dolphins which saved children in the past weren't domesticated at all) that you can't just generaly assume that when one creature acts that way, all the others will act accordingly. So if one human being really pushes away all selfishness and sacrifieces himself for a fellow human being this doesn't mean that all humans will do so, quite the contrary: most humans won't give a crap as do most animals. Domesticated animals don't count here, a dog doesn't save you because it loves you, it saves you as it knows that it would probably starve if the human pack leader dies.

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Jonny America

I understood what you were trying to say, and I'm telling you this, if you got lost in the woods and you asked a bear for help, it would more than likely kill you, not because it's hungry, but because it's not taking any chances. The difference between them and us is this; we have a written language. In most cases, all any Animal wants is to be left alone with its own species, which rarely happens. You can't hate humanity for turning society into something more comfortable to its natural needs. And you especially can't hate society for efficiently killing animals in order to eat them, because Animals are killed far more brutally in the wilderness than in slaughter houses.

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Lord_Sloth

I happen to enjoy a salad just as much as the next guy and am not very religious so HA.

You tossed the dolphin saving the kid story promoting the beasts which hump anything (innanimate objects included) and lick their own balls as being better than humans. Not to mention literally eat each other on a regular basis. You're also judging the guys like me who stop to see if that dog is okay and feeds all the strays as being immoral and uncaring towards animals.

I love animals more than I love most people. I'm just not to the point of hating absolutley every1 that I wish every1 to die.

Never ever though I'd find any1 who hated people more than me though.

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Lisa

So by not taking any chances you mean killing all bears, wolfs, lions, etc.? Is that not taking any chances in your eyes? Then you should hurry and kill your neighbour's dogs, cats and any other carnivor around you. A dog could kill you, you know?
And the slaughterhouse thing, clearly you didn't bother to acctually watch some docus about them cause otherwise you wouldn't say such nonsense.

EDIT: @Sloth: What was your point besides hating people and glorifying humankind? And to the beast thing: Just lol, so you say humans are better? Among other things some of them are humping their own children.

EDIT: damn typos.

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Lord_Sloth

I have better than a doccumentry made by a stranger I don't know from a bias corporation, I have an older brother who's been there and hates me so doesn't bother to shield me from anything.

Said animals are not brutally tortured. The kill is instant.

And in case you haven't noticed, animals do the same thing. We also kind of...Arrest those people, ya know? We try to right our wrongs and keep order. We may not always succeed to the extent needed but we do more for it than animals.

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Jonny America

Did you read my post at all? I said they're not the ones taking chances. You need to stop thinking the world is so bad. Because honestly, it's not getting any better. I'd be willing to put money on the fact that if you stopped complaining about things like the environment and animal slaughter, you'd get to a point in your life when you were happy.

And not all of those documentaries are entirely true, for your information. Some of them are fabricated propaganda. And for your intelligence, have you ever seen a hawk attack a duck? Picking off their appendages one by one, until they're fully satisfied, then leaving the animal there to die.

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Majuub

I'll tell you something, my little brother didn't know how to swim, he was drowning, I just went to save him regardless of what would happen to me. I didn't even think for a second, even if I was a poor swimmer I jumped in the water. Does that mean I saved him because I hoped him to fulfill my dreams? Or because I see him as an extension of my life, I seriously doubt. The reason behind it is because I love my little brother, you have to get emotions is a determinant factor in human life. Just like, if a human being is not loved at all, he'll go crazy and he can turn into a psychopath or a sociopath. That's why some teens commit suicide it's because some of them are tired to be considered shit by society and rather finish their life there instead of continuing. You have to get we aren't monkeys anymore, we live in society, we're not there just to fulfill our own desires, we're there to help people we love, we're there to love, to be loved and to survive. Unlike other animal species, there are two things that control us, instincts and emotions, not just instincts.

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Lisa

>_> did you read my posts at all?
Anyways if we all lay back and tell each other we're happy this won't change anything. In case you didn't notice the environment is screwed and we're with it. If we just go on as we did before and don't complain, our grand-children will have to deal with what we've left them. If you're ok with this, fine.
And the animals? I really didn't want to make this a topic about animals, I merely used an example to show that you can't just take one incident and make it the rule. To the slaughtering: in my eyes innocent beings are tortured and killed so that the fat get fatter, I don't see why I can't be against it.
And I'm not happy because of private stuff which has nothing to do with environmental or animal realted issues. You know, family business.

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Jonny America

Gotcha. Whatever, I guess we're at a disagreement. I did read your post, but I don't think you understood mine. Either way, the environment is shit, but the fact of the matter is, whenever this is taken to a higher authority, they just tell us to shut the fuck up, a typical human response. And honestly, when no one wants to listen to reason, there's no point in being reasonable.

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Lisa

Guess you're right so let's leave it at that.

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Super Cool

That's just like an atheist to say something so UnSuperCool as that.

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