.Mr. Mystery?

^ I wasn't talking about America alone. And if the motive behind a war isn't to get posession of new land area, what is it? Usually revenge, which never leads to anything productive - Or alternatively making your wallet thicker, which hardly is a noble reason to risk your life for.

The only reason for war I could fight for, is preserving my opinions and freedom, my way of living - Which I already mentioned early in my first post. But these wars are a rarity these days, at least above the guerilla-sized scuffles. Wars with the most victims are usually the ones that involve the most cash or power.

Iversonite

America didn't start the war in Afghanistan anyway...they did. So I suppose it's ok to kill our people and cost us money, and we aren't supposed to do shit about it? Make sense please.

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.Legendary Warrior

Overall war is necessary, other than expanding a nations natural resources and gaining more territory, war also helps in important technological developments. Many medical discoveries owen themselves to war. Although I do think that in our point and time, war is less necessary, where countries with large militaries are capable of completely destroying each other, so military action is limmited to small conflicts such as Afghanistan and Iraq (yes they are small in scale compared to some of the other wars we had in the past century).

Engel

War is pretty basic; grab a weapon and kill the selected enemy. Thats bout all you have to do. Whether its for more land for your country, or for revenge or even to just join in and help out someone that you think deserves the helping hand.

Each person has their own view on why a country might have gone to war; sometimes the original intention is rarely known by the public or is simply forgotten and replaced by simple and more likeable myth...

The only reason why war is so worse now is because of the advancement in technology. We dont even have to leave our own country to be able to wipe out someone elses... where-as before one would have to be willing to travel the distance and fight face to face (in a way)...

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QUOTE(The Rock @ Oct 7 2005, 02:49 AM)
America didn't start the war in Afghanistan anyway...they did. So I suppose it's ok to kill our people and cost us money, and we aren't supposed to do s**t about it? Make sense please.


Ok, Afghanistan didn't start that "war" - Osama Bin Laden did. Despite of the possibility that the Afghanistan government may've helped Al Qaida and other terrorist organizations.

Bombing away thousands of hectares of land and sending missiles to Afghanistan to find one man was overreaction, mildly put. The purpose was nothing more than revenge, and was completely useless. Even if they'd found Bin Laden and captured/went capitol punishment on his ass, would it have made the Two Towers magically grow back and all those thousands of people come back to life? No.

Engel

Oh please, shit had been happening with Afghanistan and Osama long before the Twin-tower incident... the twin towers just brought everything to the public and forced America to realise that Osama and such were a threat.

Techinically America was the first to declare war on Afghan after 9/11; so technically then I guess one could say that America did instigate the war; well thats my opinion anyway >_>

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Bombing away thousands of hectares of land and sending missiles to Afghanistan to find one man was overreaction, mildly put. The purpose was nothing more than revenge, and was completely useless. Even if they'd found Bin Laden and captured/went capitol punishment on his ass, would it have made the Two Towers magically grow back and all those thousands of people come back to life? No


No, it wouldnt have... but it would have been a huge dent in Al Quaida (spelling), and also Afghan forces by taking out the large inflow of money and such that Bin Laden supplies. It would have definately crippled them, and given a large advantage to America... however the failure to catch him has merely brought about more faith in those that follow him.

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.Angel Slayer

The reason for the invasion of Afghanistan requires one looks at a much larger picture than just that particular snap shot. For well over twenty years America has been getting attacked by terrorists overseas.
Beirut Embassy, the USS Cole, numerous USO's and embassy's, all attacked by these terrorists, who then ran and hid in a country that provided them shelter in spite of their actions.
The reason for the attack is to let it be known that providing safe haven for terrorists is not going to be tolerated by us anymore.
It may, in the short term, have provided Bin Laden and Al Quieda more bodies at the start, but that number is dropping. Want proof?
The muslim world is one of the strongest bastions of sexism left. Yet, just recently, we've had two female bombers. This is not normally allowed.
The reason that it is being allowed now is because they are growing thin.
War is never the first option, but there are times where it is the only one remaining.
And just for everyone's knowledge, I've been in battle. So I do understand what I am talking about. No glamor, just duty. Don't get caught up in the hollywood hype.
Iraq is a topic worthy of it's own thread.

Ivan

Beirut is part of America? Simply amazing.

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Goku

War ? hmmm nessacary evil if the cause is justifiable in perspective to the publics view on he situation...nuff said.

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QUOTE(Windmill Still @ Oct 7 2005, 10:46 AM)
Beirut is part of America? Simply amazing.



You need to work on being a smart ass, you look more like one of the dumb variety. Beirut, Lebanon, had US interaction due to our being there as part of the Multi-National Peace Keepers, through the United Nations. They blew up the US Embassy with a truck bomb, killing nearly three hundred Americans.
Until you've spent several hours hauling body bags, stfu.
You want to be a mouth, that is fine. But making light of those killed by terrorists is hardly humorous, and displays a severe lack of respect for the dead and those that do give people their freedoms here in America.

.Mr. Mystery?

QUOTE(Angel Slayer @ Oct 7 2005, 03:54 PM)
And just for everyone's knowledge, I've been in battle. So I do understand what I am talking about. No glamor, just duty. Don't get caught up in the hollywood hype.


You've been in the front? Where?

Having an actual frontline experience here would really give depth to the topic.

.Angel Slayer

QUOTE(Supreme Gohan @ Oct 7 2005, 03:48 PM)
QUOTE(Angel Slayer @ Oct 7 2005, 03:54 PM)
And just for everyone's knowledge, I've been in battle.* So I do understand what I am talking about.* No glamor, just duty.* Don't get caught up in the hollywood hype.


You've been in the front? Where?

Having an actual frontline experience here would really give depth to the topic.




Beirut Lebanon, and a few other spots. I am over forty years old, and did over a decade in the military.

Ivan

But it isn't America. lol.

America itself hasn't been getting hit very often, and the people who were killed elsewhere put themselves there.

Edit And to think a 40-something-year-old is resorting to 'stfu.' Laughable.

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QUOTE(Windmill Still @ Oct 7 2005, 03:54 PM)
But it isn't America. lol.

America itself hasn't been getting hit very often, and the people who were killed elsewhere put themselves there.

Edit And to think a 40-something-year-old is resorting to 'stfu.' Laughable.



Laugh all you want. We were in Beirut because the Lebanese government asked the UN for help, and they asked us. You have yet to make a valid point. Just slinging more drone ignorance into the fray and not accomplishing anything.

Gohan, combat is not glamor. That is hollywood hype, and not worth much past the entertainment value. People rarely die giving some noble speech. We are all human, and death isn't too partial as to who it claims.
You can learn in a matter of seconds what mortality is all about in a combat scenario.
Ever had a scary moment? Now imagine stretching that moment out to longer, say minutes or hours.
When the adrenaline rush wears off, you are physically drained and emotionally whipped.
Running isn't normally an option, because that would mean leaving your fellows to fend for themselves, and you'll have to face them again, so you stay and do what you can.
Not to 'win the world', but to protect your buddies back. And you keep on doing this until it is done. Doing duty is part of it. But being a friend is the first part, and that is a true friend.

Ivan

You're denying the point that land across the entire fucking ocean isn't American land, and that it was just Americans there? Deny it all you want, you're just turning senile and can't dish it out, I guess.

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