.Janenba

Green Lantern (Kyle Ryner) vs. Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) vs. Superman (Post-Crisis) vs. Alan Scott (Original Green Lantern and known as Sentinel)

Its the battle of the life time! The question is, who really is the strongest? Well...lets find out...

Green Lantern:(in General) Green Lantern has something called the Power Ring. Depending on Which of the Green Lantern's you are looking at, you get different results. For example, Kyle Ryners ring has no weaknesses. Not one. Hal's does. His is anything the Color yellow. Alan's (was) suprisingly the weirdest of them all, Wood. He no longer has a weakness.

Now, Green Lantern's Power Ring can do ANYTHING. It has a Universal Translator (in other words, it automatically translates languages) and the ring protects the weilder for a mortal wound. These features only apply to Alans (I think) and Hal's (along with the rest of the corp's). With the Infinite Power Charge on Kyles ring, and no weakness to yellow, the communicator and injury protector were removed for his new abilities (though, strangely enough, in a few of the comics, Kyle's ring protects him from injury...and speaks to him...)

Green Lanterns power is based on will. Whatever you think of, the ring can do. You want to create a 1200lb fat chick with thors sledge hammer to start beating down Pee-wee hurmon? Ok, you will the ring to do it...and tada! It happens <<" His power is only based on Will and Imagination (Will to control the ring and Imagination to design fugged up things)

Superman: Post-Crisis Superman had a nice power deduction. He can no longer out run the Flash (Pre-Crisis he could...), has the Krytonite weakness and he can no longer destroy the universe by sneezing (strangely enough, pre-crisis Superman could destroy a universe by sneezing to hard...it was stated he could) However, his strength did relatively remain the same. It was deducted a little bit (IE: A single punch can no longer topple a planet...it can only topple New York City or a City equivelant to...)

Superman's powers consist of Eye Lasers, Freeze Breath, SUPER (and I do mean...SUPER...) Strength, X-Ray Vision, SUPER Speed (not quite as fast as the Flash...but close to...) and a pure heart...not a power, but definately a strength.


Ok, so now your going, who's will win? Well, you see, that really depends on where the battle is fought and how...

If Kyle has recharged his Rings Supply of "Infinite" energy (don't ask how its a Infinite Charged ring, when, in the comic, every like...4 days he has to recharge it because it conveniently RUNS OUT OF POWER), Hal has had his 24 Hour Recharge along with Alan's recharge, then Superman's gonna get wasted.

Considering Superman's Ice Breath and Eye Lasers are nullfied by Hal and Alan's auto-shield of the ring and Kyle creating a shield. However, they are useful is Supes can catch them off guard. Which is rather hard, considering Hal and Alan's ring pinpoints enemy's locations and Kyle can simply scan the area for him...these of Superman's powers are useless.

Now all he has to rely on is his Super Strength and Super Speed. Oh, did I forget to mention, if theirs no sun his power begins to deteriorate...quickly? Yeah, its true. No Sun = Wasted Supes. All Lantern would have to do is block out Supes from the Sun (or go far enough into Space, the sun's light doesn't reach) and batta bing...they can own Supes.

However, if Supes DOES manage to land a punch on one of the three, you can guarentee, shield or no shield, their gonna be hurting.

Though, once again, if the Lanterns team up, they can gives Supes a Serious Pounding. One distracts while the others pummel. Its efficent as even Superman can only really handle one person at a time. Not to mention, Lanterns ring can make them as fast or even exceed Superman's speed...

So then it comes down the Lanterns...Who'd win there, you ask? Well, I have to tip the favor in Hal's direction. Yes, Alan is a 70 year old man with a 30 year olds body (somehow, either he drank from the fountain of youth, or from long period of exposure from the ring, he was granted Eternal Youth..don't remember which) and has MAJOR experience, Hal does exceed him in determination and will power. Kyle does have extra features to his ring, and can CREATE the COLOR YELLOW with a GREEN ring to nullify Hal's Ring, he has to deal with Sentinel. Its been proven in the comics (and I have the comic to...) that Alan can defeat Kyle, Kyle has been elimated.

Now you ask, Alan wins, right? Hal was knocked out because of his weakness to yellow. Wrong. Hal's a cleaver bastard and he knows how to defeat the color yellow (Fight yellow with yellow...or use an object with his physical strength with the ring providing MORE strength...and it can to. As I have a comic to prove it) Kyle won't last long against Hals will and determination.

So now its Alan vs. Hal. Who's gonna win? This folks, comes down to Will power and Hal definately has more of it. This is proven during...one of the Kyle Ryner arcs. Forgot what it was called. To make a long story short, Hal ended up in Kyles time and Parallax came from the future-past to Kyles time and Green Lantern Hal fought his Parallax Version. It was a stalemate. Parallax had TONS more power then Green Lantern Hal did, but Young Green Lantern Hal Jordans will was greater. He ultimately served Parallax on a silver plater.

Hal >>> Alan.

Your Winner...Hal Jordan...

.Janenba

I don't exactly know a lot...just...very analytical...

but I can try to teach you...what do you want o know?

Z Warrior

what is the post crisis and pre crisis thing. i didnt know that superman could destroy the planet by sneezing. i thought he matched the speed of flash. i dont know anything about kyle. hal, alittle. omg i am a faliure. i dont deserve to live. i am not a geek in superheroes. WHY DONT I HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE. WHY?!?!?! THE HORRORRRR!!!!!!!!! NNNOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! what oter superheroes got a power decrease or increase.

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.Janenba

Well, The Crisis of Infinite Earth was one big joggled up PoS. I mean, I still don't understand it :S

From what I remember (if this is even right :S) they had the Crisis of Infinite Earths in order to fix a lot of Plot Holes in the DC universe. For example, when the ORIGINAL Flash resigned and then incame Barry Allen (I think was his name), Barry Allen had read about Jay Garrick in a comic book...obivoulsy, that Flash wouldn't be real...but Barry Alen became the Flash none the less. Also...during Garricks run as the Flash, Superman was part of the JLA...when Barry Alen came around...Superman was still there "

It also happened because EVERYONE was EXTREMELY under-rated, over-rated or REALLY powerful. Like I said, Superman being able to blow up a planet litterally by sneezing :S he was that powerful. He also had no weakness pre-crisis either.

The Crisis was also to get rid of a lot of Superhero's that just weren't cutting it (IE: Supergirl...horrible and tragic death)

Finally, The Crisis of Infinite Earths was to fix alot of Plot holes and continuity problems...

Here, I'll PM you a website that has a detailed look of the Crisis. It can explain it a lot better then I can...


Ok, so you wanna know about Hal, Kyle and Alan? Alright...

Alan was the "original" Green Lantern.

NOTE: Before I go even further, I'd like to say, Alan isn't truely a Green Lantern as his ring was not given to him by the Guardians and he wasn't part of the corps.

Alan Scott was a train builder in the late 1930's (he's still around today...he's almost 70 and looks like he's 40 <<) When he built a railroad, his rival, Dekker, planted explosives on the train. Obviously, the train hit it, erupted and everyone was killed...cept for Alan Scott...

A Green Lantern had saved him. It told him the origin of the Lantern and told Scott to take a peice of metal from the lantern and make a ring. Every 24 hourts, it would need to recharge its power supply.

Scott made the ring, charged it and doned the most horrible looking costume ever and made Dekker sign of a confession about the crimes he commited... Alan Scott became the First Green Lantern.

As I'm not a big fan of Scott, I don't know much 'bout him and actually had to look some of his history up :S

But one things for sure, he had a horrible weakness to wood. That later left him after become the Sentinal (Parallax rip-off). He no longer needed the ring, though he has it, and basically has eternal youth :S Go Scott...


Kyle Ryner...he is...a Free Lance artist. While in a bar one night, his friend Terry (I think) got angry at him and they got into a small scuffle and Kyle went into the Alley. Suddenly, here comes this green meteor, lands in front of Kyle and a Blue Midget man starts to speak to him. He gives Kyle the Ring and leaves. Kyle puts it on and BATTA BING! He's Green Lantern <<

To make Kyles history short, his girl friend (Alex at the time...i think...) was killed by the Government Agent Major Force. The Government wanted the ring, but Kyle wouldn't give it up. A fight insues, Kyle's ring runs out of juice and major force presents to him a peice of green metal. The Metal takes shape of a lantern and TADDA! Kyles ring gets a recharge <<" He defeats Major Force and then realizes he's into something way over his head...He was now the universe Last Green Lantern...

Kyle ends up fighting Hal (Parallax at the time) on three occasions. He's gets horribly slaughtered all three times to. The First time was when Hal wanted his Ring Back. The second...I don't remember the second...I can't find the comic for it anymore :S One I desperately need.

And the final was during the Time Crisis.

Ok, so what's the Time Crisis? I don't know if that's the actual arc name, but Kyle ends up fighting Grayven (son of Darkseid) and gets launched into the future. Kyle defeats Grayven and Braniac 5 of the...um...uh...crap...OH! The Teen Titans (duh!) and sends him back to a time "Where Green Lanterns are suppose to exist."

Braniac sent Kyle back to Hals Green Lantern age. << Kyle and Hal defeat Sinestro, save the Guardians and they send Kyle back to his time...well...Hal had Sinestros ring in hand and Sinestro willed the ring to push Hal into the portal. Hal and Kyle are now in Kyles time.

Hal comes back as Green Lantern for a short time and almost replaces Kyle as earths Green Lantern. That is, until Parallax showed up. Kyle fought Parallax, lost in probably 15 seconds and then Hal fought Parallax. It was at first a stalemate till Parallax launched Hal and Kyle into the "futures past". Parallax shows the past Hal what happens to Coast City, Hal don't believe it and another fight ensues.

NOTE: I think Green Lantern Hal would have won...but that's just me...

Kyle interupts the fight and after a long speach, they are sent back to their world. Before they go, Hal shakes Kyles hand and afterwards, he looks at his clenched fist. At the end of the arc, Kyle opens his hand...to find a Duplicate of Hals ring...Hal wants Kyle to reform the Corps...

Which didn't go well at all...but that's for later...

How did Parallax come back? Well, Parallax can travel through time and space. During his time travel, he sensed his younger self was in Kyle's time and wanted to "set thing's right". He ending up doing so, but it was a Past Villain coming into the future to set the past right O.o Confusing, no?

Damn...now we go onto Hal O.o

Hal is an air force pilot when one day, a giant green beam carried him off into the distance :S yay...the beam took Hal to a fallen Space Alien known as Abin Sur. He was the protector of sector 2814 and the yellow rays (IE: Green Lanterns weakness...yellow...gay I know...) sent Abin Sur spiraling into the earth and nearly killed him. Fatally Wounded, he gives Hal his power ring and power battery and Hal takes on the name of Green Lantern O.o He eventually has to go to Oa in order to recieve training by Kilowog and at the time, Good Green Lantern Sinestro.

Hal served the corps...for...I think it was 20 years when Coast City was destroyed by Cyborg Superman and Mongul. Hal eventually went insane of the distruction of Coast City and was heading to Oa to "make things right." Along the way, Hal stripped many Green Lanterns of their rings. Finally, when Hal got to Oa, the Guardians "revived" Sinestro to fight hal one more time...Hal snapped Sinestros neck and made his way to the power battery. Kilowog, whom hal defeated earlier, tried to stop Hal again. It didn't work...Hal vaporized Kilowog and entered the power battery.

This killed most of the Guardians (cept Ganthet, who gives Kyle the ring in the alley way) and Hal emerged as Parallax.

*exasperated Breath*

Man, this is intense..

Finally, during Zero Hour (mock off of Crisis of Infinite Earth), Hal is "compressing" the Universe in order to recreate it the way he wants. Yes, he had that much power...He killed trillions of beings in the Universe. When no one could stop Hal (not even Kyle or Superman. Infact, Hal leveled Superman in a single punch...) insert Jim Corrigan...the Spectre.

The Spectre owned Hal and that was the end of Zero Hour.

Finally...during Final Night, when the Sun was about to go Super Nova (and vaporize the galaxy) Hal stepped in...and reignited the sun. The cost? His life. Hal redeemed himself to the heros, but not to God. He then became the Spectre...

And now, we all know Hal is coming back in Green Lantern Rebirth...


AAAHHHH!! DONE!!! FINALLY!!!

Engel

Was never really a fan of DC, i stayed with marvel mainly. Mine were spiderman, x-men, etc. Even got some old defenders of the earth and he-man... geez i was buying everything back then. In my opinion, some of the comics just had too many spin-offs. Started confusing everyone and just started becoming rediculous.

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.7th_son

QUOTE (Engel @ Nov 4 2004, 06:08 AM)

Was never really a fan of DC, i stayed with marvel mainly. Mine were spiderman, x-men, etc. Even got some old defenders of the earth and he-man... geez i was buying everything back then. In my opinion, some of the comics just had too many spin-offs. Started confusing everyone and just started becoming rediculous.

Well then... you must have hated the Spiderman Clone saga. That damn thing had everyone including the staff writers at Marvel ask questions...

Engel

Yeah, i have the clone saga... that was a weird one. Jackal tho is one of the best villains tho. Not exactly devasting in strength, but his intelligence and knowledge of Parker and Reilly is what keeps him up. He knows the answer to who is the clone, and it always plays on your mind. Kane was a weird one tho...

I have the episode where the Green Goblin (Norman Osbourne) comes back and takes on both Reilly and Parker (scarlett spider and Spiderman), and causes Mary-Jane to lose their baby, etc. You find out who the real clone was... keeps you guessing all the way to the end. IT was awsome... but bloody confusing throughout the entire thing

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.7th_son

I agree Jackal was a nice villian, and if the writers at Marvel were smart enough Jackal would've gotten a hold of the Modified "Super Serum" that transformed Felicia into the Black Cat... making him more deadlier than ever!

So Reilly was the original and Parker was the clone along with kane right? Now I'm confused again... I'll have to pull out the entire clone saga. I have over (5) thousand comic books from the late 70's to the late 90's

Engel

Same, i have heaps of comics. All in boxes downstairs because i went to uni and me mum decided to do some cleaning... least they safe lol.

Parker was the original. Reilly was the clone, in the episode i just said (it was a 4 part series. One of my favourite) he starts to do that dissolving thing right at the end. Kane and Reilly were the clones.

Very strange saga, confused everyone i believe... but definately one of the best, if it was htought through a bit better it could have been even greater.

The other best one i like in Spiderman is the VEnom saga. That was awsome, probably the best villain because of who it was. I have that special edition where it has like 6 episodes in one of Spiderman vs Venom right up to the end of the main saga. Great read, Carnage came from that, and it wasnt bad, especially when Carnage merged with Reilly... that was anice little saga. In that one you also find out the girl Reilly has a crush on is the daughter of Uncle Bens killer.

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.7th_son

Ok Parker was the original... I like the Venom saga too but I didn't like Brock as Venom too much, I felt it should've been Flash the high school jock! I never knew Carnage and Reilly merged?

Engel

Yeah, it was late in the episodes, like where Peter Parker was beginning to lose his Spiderman Powers. The clone saga area. You know when they found the skeleton with a spiderman suit on it in the industrial area? Then they found out that the photographer Ben has a crush on is the daughter of Uncle Bens killer, and later on in it The photographer takes a pic and finds out that Ben is the Scarlet spider, then Carnage escapes from the prison he is in (the symbiot escapes and leaves cassidy in the prison to return to break him out), then he takes Reilly. Its good becuase you begin to see things through Carnage eyes, dead bodies everywhere n such... good struggle to keep control of himself and that.

Then i started to get rediculous when there were even more offsprings from Venom. I think there were another 2 ort 3. there was a female one, and Venom decides to go out and get rid of them as his own responsibity.

Yeah i agree that the jock would have been good... but he never really hated Parker, was just a school bully. Brock hated him because he got fired when he was disproven about the lizard... causing him to hate him even more. Plus he was also a good person at heart... he only hated Parker, and evil doers. He became a sort of renegade hero lol.

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Crispy Bacon

Now you are getting into seperation anxiety and there were more than two I believe 4 or 5. Green, Grey, Yellow, Purple, and Brown. Thats what I can remember I might be wrong.

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.B>J<S

hey i remeber something about venom going out ti kill his symboit problems...
that was bad ass........

.7th_son

On topic: Does anyone remember the showdown between Superman and Shazam in "Kingdom Come?" I thought that was one of the best (2) page fights in the history of comics...