Official NFL Thread. - Page 4

raditz_saiyan_hero · 03-06-2008

They had a "far better defense"? I'd like to see some stats of that cause I don't remember it being that way. They had a hell of a defense in 2001. And Brady had troy brown ( a pro-bowler and all-pro). Donald Driver? seriously? donald driver? thats who your gonna use as an example? wow, Favre made Driver a decent receiver. Marvin Harrison was injured most of this season and Manning still had a good year, besides ONE game (not just for the season, but for his career this is the example everybody is gonna give)

NateCKK · 03-06-2008

First off Brady DID have recievers along with a awesome team. The defense was the main component of the Pats team. NOT brady, although he is now. Brady is a great quarterback and I not saying Farve is better or Manning is better. Just Farve is a awesome quarterback, he would never walk off the field in a loss. That is just trashy and unprofessional. I lost respect for him after that.

And Manning... I not sure if he is better at football or commercials.

SRP76 · 03-06-2008

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Originally Posted by NateCKK

First off Brady DID have recievers along with a awesome team.

Yup. Bethel Johnson, David Patten, Reche Caldwell....that's a real All-Pro squad, there.

Brady has never had even ONE receiver who ever made a ProBowl until last year. Ever. There hasn't even been one.

Now that he actually got one, look what happened. And he didn't even have one on each side, like Manning had for years.

SSJBroly · 03-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Teecee

He isn't the god of football.

Actually he is the god of football

NateCKK · 03-07-2008

Well except for the pro bowls Troy Brown had played in.... And David Givens was a pretty good reciever too. Those guys you listed suck.

raditz_saiyan_hero · 03-07-2008

Well, its become obvious that some people think he's great, and some people think hes really good. The problem I have with this whole argument is that there really isn't a big difference between really good and great. The main reason I don't call him great is because he hasn't retired yet, so we do not know how his whole career is going to be. Look at Kurt Warner, he was being called an all-time great quaterback then he flopped, and now he is only a decent quaterback. I will call Favre great because he had a great career and its over, and I was using Manning as an example because they are always compared, I shouldn't use Manning as an example though, but I really like Manning cause he does show respect. I'll still say Brady is overrated, but we will never agree I suppose. I will say this though: How do we know Harrison and Wayne are great receivers? We've never seen them play without Manning, maybe its Manning ( Wayne might have played with someone else, but I don't think so) Brady's receivers have changed, and we have seen that most of them aren't good without him, I will give Brady supporters that.

SRP76 · 03-07-2008

Harrison was making plays for 2 years before Manning was drafted, and Wayne was a first-round pick for a reason: it's because he rewrote the record books at The U. That's saying something, when you consider the WR talent that went before him (like Michael Irvin).

raditz_saiyan_hero · 03-07-2008

Yea but wasn't it Brian Griese that destroyed all Marino's records at whatever college they went to ( I shoulda done research before I posted this) and he didn't turn out to be anything special. There have been tons of first round picks that haven't turned out good (Ryan Leaf anyone?). What were Harrison's stats before Manning? I doubt as good. Just when I thought I was out, SRP76 pulled me back in. ( Sorry for the bad Godfather III quote)

**Teecee** · 03-07-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJBroly

Actually he is the god of football

What kind of football god forfeits Super Bowl XLII to the New York 'Football Giants'?

SRP76 · 03-07-2008

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Originally Posted by raditz_saiyan_hero

Yea but wasn't it Brian Griese that destroyed all Marino's records at whatever college they went to ( I shoulda done research before I posted this) and he didn't turn out to be anything special. There have been tons of first round picks that haven't turned out good (Ryan Leaf anyone?). What were Harrison's stats before Manning? I doubt as good. Just when I thought I was out, SRP76 pulled me back in. ( Sorry for the bad Godfather III quote)

In Harrison's two season before Manning got there, he hauled in over 130 passes for over 1,600 yards and 14 TDs.

And Griese went to Michigan (and was backed up by - guess who? - Brady). Marino went to Pittsburgh, who produced....well....no QBs, really. Pitt was a garbage team for a lot of years in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

SSJBroly · 03-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Teecee

What kind of football god forfeits Super Bowl XLII to the New York 'Football Giants'?

A very very very generous football God

are you kidding me? Did you see the way that game was played? there must have been something that happened...

raditz_saiyan_hero · 03-07-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

In Harrison's two season before Manning got there, he hauled in over 130 passes for over 1,600 yards and 14 TDs.

And Griese went to Michigan (and was backed up by - guess who? - Brady). Marino went to Pittsburgh, who produced....well....no QBs, really. Pitt was a garbage team for a lot of years in the 80s, 90s, and 2000s.

Was that total stats or seperately? And maybe it was just that Griese had better stats then Marino did or its someone else whose turned out to not be anything special ( I said I shoulda done research and I still haven't). And Brady backed up Griese, so that shows that college doesn't set anything in stone when it comes to professional.

**Teecee** · 03-07-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJBroly

A very very very generous football God

are you kidding me? Did you see the way that game was played? there must have been something that happened...

Yeah, I watched Tom Brady lose the Super Bowl. I watched it along with countless other Americans.

SSJBroly · 03-07-2008

dont remind me! a very very bad time in nfl history

**Teecee** · 03-08-2008

It was great for me. :D

03-06-2008	#46 (permalink)
raditz_saiyan_hero (6) Disciple of Kami Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 57 Rep Power: 1	Re: Official NFL Thread. They had a "far better defense"? I'd like to see some stats of that cause I don't remember it being that way. They had a hell of a defense in 2001. And Brady had troy brown ( a pro-bowler and all-pro). Donald Driver? seriously? donald driver? thats who your gonna use as an example? wow, Favre made Driver a decent receiver. Marvin Harrison was injured most of this season and Manning still had a good year, besides ONE game (not just for the season, but for his career this is the example everybody is gonna give) __________________ When I die, will they remember not, what I did, but what I haven't done..." - Rise Against Thanks to Ulimate_Gohan for the sig

03-06-2008	#47 (permalink)
NateCKK (5) Crane School Disciple Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	Re: Official NFL Thread. First off Brady DID have recievers along with a awesome team. The defense was the main component of the Pats team. NOT brady, although he is now. Brady is a great quarterback and I not saying Farve is better or Manning is better. Just Farve is a awesome quarterback, he would never walk off the field in a loss. That is just trashy and unprofessional. I lost respect for him after that. And Manning... I not sure if he is better at football or commercials. __________________

03-07-2008	#50 (permalink)
NateCKK (5) Crane School Disciple Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 37 Rep Power: 0	Re: Official NFL Thread. Well except for the pro bowls Troy Brown had played in.... And David Givens was a pretty good reciever too. Those guys you listed suck. __________________

03-07-2008	#51 (permalink)
raditz_saiyan_hero (6) Disciple of Kami Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 57 Rep Power: 1	Re: Official NFL Thread. Well, its become obvious that some people think he's great, and some people think hes really good. The problem I have with this whole argument is that there really isn't a big difference between really good and great. The main reason I don't call him great is because he hasn't retired yet, so we do not know how his whole career is going to be. Look at Kurt Warner, he was being called an all-time great quaterback then he flopped, and now he is only a decent quaterback. I will call Favre great because he had a great career and its over, and I was using Manning as an example because they are always compared, I shouldn't use Manning as an example though, but I really like Manning cause he does show respect. I'll still say Brady is overrated, but we will never agree I suppose. I will say this though: How do we know Harrison and Wayne are great receivers? We've never seen them play without Manning, maybe its Manning ( Wayne might have played with someone else, but I don't think so) Brady's receivers have changed, and we have seen that most of them aren't good without him, I will give Brady supporters that. __________________ When I die, will they remember not, what I did, but what I haven't done..." - Rise Against Thanks to Ulimate_Gohan for the sig

03-07-2008	#52 (permalink)
SRP76 (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,732 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 9	Re: Official NFL Thread. Harrison was making plays for 2 years before Manning was drafted, and Wayne was a first-round pick for a reason: it's because he rewrote the record books at The U. That's saying something, when you consider the WR talent that went before him (like Michael Irvin).

03-07-2008	#53 (permalink)
raditz_saiyan_hero (6) Disciple of Kami Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 57 Rep Power: 1	Re: Official NFL Thread. Yea but wasn't it Brian Griese that destroyed all Marino's records at whatever college they went to ( I shoulda done research before I posted this) and he didn't turn out to be anything special. There have been tons of first round picks that haven't turned out good (Ryan Leaf anyone?). What were Harrison's stats before Manning? I doubt as good. Just when I thought I was out, SRP76 pulled me back in. ( Sorry for the bad Godfather III quote) __________________ When I die, will they remember not, what I did, but what I haven't done..." - Rise Against Thanks to Ulimate_Gohan for the sig

03-07-2008	#59 (permalink)
SSJBroly O.G. Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,361 Rep Power: 8	Re: Official NFL Thread. dont remind me! a very very bad time in nfl history __________________ Old Names: the many Hasker's, Nino and Graffiti Artist/GA Me Telling Lord_Sloth Naughty Naughty Things!

03-08-2008	#60 (permalink)
Teecee Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,588 Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 31	Re: Official NFL Thread. It was great for me. :D