Who do you think is/was the best lyricist? - Page 4

NarutoFan · 04-23-2008

I said subject matter didn't matter when determing who's the best lyricist and we're talking about why I didn't like Lifestylez, not about lyrics.

I'm not really a punchline after punchline (from what I remember) man.

**Majuub** · 04-23-2008

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Originally Posted by NarutoFan

I said subject matter didn't matter when determing who's the best lyricist and we're talking about why I didn't like Lifestylez, not about lyrics.

I'm not really a punchline after punchline (from what I remember) man.

The Way I Am
I sit back with this pack of Zig Zags and this bag
of this weed it gives me the sh*t needed to be
the most meanest MC on this -- on this Earth
And since birth I've been cursed with this curse to just curse
And just blurt this berserk and bizarre sh*t that works
And it sells and it helps in itself to relieve
all this tension dispensin these sentences
Gettin this stress that's been eatin me recently off of this chest

The Real Slim Shady

Y'all act like you never seen a white person before

Jaws all on the floor like Pam, like Tommy just burst in the door

and started whoopin her ass worse than before

they first were divorce, throwin her over furniture (Ahh!)

It's the return of the... "Ah, wait, no way, you're kidding,

he didn't just say what I think he did, did he?"

And Dr. Dre said... nothing you idiots!

Dr. Dre's dead, he's locked in my basement! (Ha-ha!)

Feminist women love Eminem
and I rest again peacefully (peacefully)..

Seriously, look at this, lines from two great songs from the same great album
If it wasn't for the subject mather of The Way I am, I don't think you would think the lyrics are so great.

Big L's album is all about lyrics, if you don't consider punchline that great then what do you consider a great lyricist and which criteria is the most important for you?
If you don't like Big L's album it can't be because of his rhymes, it has to be something else. What do you consider the greatest album of all time?

NarutoFan · 04-23-2008

If it wasn't for the subject matter in The Way I Am, I wouldn't consider it a great song, but it would be lyrical. You see, being lyrical isn't the only factor when making a great rap song.

I never said I didn't consider punchlines great, but I'm not necessarily high on punchline exclusive rappers, his album also has generic subject matter typical found on most mainstream albums nowadays, and the beats aren't what you'd call top notch. Haven't I already said this?

JhonCaves · 04-23-2008

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You also label Common as a gangsta rapper, that show how much you know about rap.

You can take Shinoda over Prodigy now, but the Prodigy from The Infamous, just no. You don't seem to have hard much from Pharaoe Monch because he's in the same league as Mos Def, I also seriously doubt you've heard much from Crooked I.

Isn't a lyricist a poet? They even call themselves that way and you're telling me it's different? That's the same thing, an emcee is a street poet. he speaks like Shakespear but from a point of view of the streets. That's why the focus so much on wordplay and metaphores, they try to teach something to the listenenr and just transport you in their reality when they spit. That's why I loved Nas back then but I just can't stand him anymore, he was great but now you listen to him and it's just bullshit. 2Pac and Biggie were the amongst the rare ones who constantly released draw dropping albums and always had good lyrics without falling from Illmatic to Nastradamus. You're not the first one I see calling 2Pac overrated by the way and most of those who say this just have listenend to tracks such as 2 of Amerikaz most wanted or Hit'em up.

Just a question like that, what do you think is the best album from 2Pac? Also, which song of Crooked I did you listen too?

Truth is, I don't feel like arguing. At least not right now. So whatever, you win, you're right blah blah.
Anyway, I have all of Crooked I's mixtapes and "albums". I've been a fan since death row. and... my favorite pac album, personally was probably strictly 4 my niggaz... all eyes on me was pretty cool....and as well as the 7 day theory album

**Majuub** · 04-23-2008

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Truth is, I don't feel like arguing. At least not right now. So whatever, you win, you're right blah blah.
Anyway, I have all of Crooked I's mixtapes and "albums". I've been a fan since death row. and... my favorite pac album, personally was probably strictly 4 my niggaz... all eyes on me was pretty cool....and as well as the 7 day theory album

I don't really want to argue, but, if like you said, you appearantly listened to all Crooked I mixtapes which songs are your favourite and, what makes you think he's not leaps and bounds ahead of Mike Shinoda in terms of raw skills. His freestyling abilites are ridiculous, he's really versatile, he's not just a generic gangsta rapper.

Which songs did you like in Strictly 4 my niggaz, All Eyez on me and 7 Days Theory?

JhonCaves · 04-24-2008

Just for the record... Are you grilling me to then use my answers against me....or is just your curiosity? lol... answers are the same...but i just wanna know

**Majuub** · 04-24-2008

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Originally Posted by JhonCaves

Just for the record... Are you grilling me to then use my answers against me....or is just your curiosity? lol... answers are the same...but i just wanna know

Nah, I just wanna know, I don't want to use anything against you, it isn't a debate between who is better or who is more raw. We're just here to share our preferences.

thecoolest · 04-24-2008

Lupe is at the top of this list...

**Majuub** · 04-24-2008

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Lupe is at the top of this list...

No offense but no, he is good but he hasn't never seen skills.

thecoolest · 04-24-2008

YouTube - Lupe Fiasco I Proceed(Mojo Freestyle) in Atlanta Roxy

YouTube - Lupe Fiasco-Streets On Fire

YouTube - Real- Lupe Fiasco

YouTube - "Dumb It Down" - Lupe Fiasco (Music Video)

I think he's just misunderstood sometimes. But you have to admit,those are some pretty good lyrics(especially that freestyle)

**Majuub** · 04-24-2008

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YouTube - Lupe Fiasco I Proceed(Mojo Freestyle) in Atlanta Roxy

YouTube - Lupe Fiasco-Streets On Fire

YouTube - Real- Lupe Fiasco

YouTube - "Dumb It Down" - Lupe Fiasco (Music Video)

I think he's just misunderstood sometimes. But you have to admit,those are some pretty good lyrics(especially that freestyle)

Not denying it, Lupe is great, but Eminem in his prime would just murder him. No one said he wasn't good, in fact, he's amongst the best right now, but if you compare him to oldschool Meth or Mos Def, he's just outclassed.

thecoolest · 04-24-2008

well yeah your right. lupe couldn't beat anyone in a battle. he's too much of a nerd lol

**Majuub** · 04-24-2008

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well yeah your right. lupe couldn't beat anyone in a battle. he's too much of a nerd lol

Lol, who cares, he's still a beast, he's the first rapper to literally have a personalty that you can't miss and that you could actually see from a guy in your school. That kid got style.

NarutoFan · 04-24-2008

"I feel like I'm walking a tight rope, without a circus net
I'm popping percocets, I'm a nervous wreck
I deserve respect; but I work a sweat for this worthless check
Bout to burst this tech, at somebody to reverse this debt
Minimum wage got my adrenaline caged
Full of venom and rage
Especially when I'm engaged
And my daughter's down to her last diaper
That's got my ass hyper
I pray that god answers, maybe I'll ask nicer
Watching ballers while they flossing in their pathfinders
These overnight stars becoming autograph signers
We'll all gone blow up and leave the past behind us
Along with the small fry's and average half pinters
While playa haters turn bitch like they have vaginas
Cause we see them dollar signs and let the cash blind us
Money will brainwash you and leave your ass mindless
Snakes slither in the grass spineless"

This is what you call lyrical genius.

**Majuub** · 04-24-2008

Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen
I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute
Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it
But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it
Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics
Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics
Usin' his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits
But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it
Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit
Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish
But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America
as a motherfuckin drug addict - like you didn't experiment?
Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror
and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased
And I got nothin' to do but make you look stupid as parents
You fuckin do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage!
(Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't
think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo
Cause here we go - he's {*Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga*}
And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the

That's better than rock bottom.

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thecoolest (9) Namekian Warrior Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 113 Rep Power: 1	Re: Who do you think is/was the best lyricist? YouTube - Lupe Fiasco I Proceed(Mojo Freestyle) in Atlanta Roxy YouTube - Lupe Fiasco-Streets On Fire YouTube - Real- Lupe Fiasco YouTube - "Dumb It Down" - Lupe Fiasco (Music Video) I think he's just misunderstood sometimes. But you have to admit,those are some pretty good lyrics(especially that freestyle) __________________

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Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,062 Rep Power: 64	Re: Who do you think is/was the best lyricist? Since I'm in a position to talk to these kids and they listen I ain't no politician but I'll kick it with 'em a minute Cause see they call me a menace; and if the shoe fits I'll wear it But if it don't, then y'all'll swallow the truth grin and bear it Now who's these king of these rude ludicrous lucrative lyrics Who could inherit the title, put the youth in hysterics Usin' his music to steer it, sharin his views and his merits But there's a huge interference - they're sayin you shouldn't hear it Maybe it's hatred I spew, maybe it's food for the spirit Maybe it's beautiful music I made for you to just cherish But I'm debated disputed hated and viewed in America as a motherfuckin drug addict - like you didn't experiment? Now now, that's when you start to stare at who's in the mirror and see yourself as a kid again, and you get embarrased And I got nothin' to do but make you look stupid as parents You fuckin do-gooders - too bad you couldn't do good at marriage! (Ha ha!) And do you have any clue what I had to do to get here I don't think you do so stay tuned and keep your ears glued to the stereo Cause here we go - he's {Jigga joint Jigga-chk-Jigga} And I'm the sinister, Mr. Kiss-My-Ass it's just the That's better than rock bottom. __________________