Astner

One of the Infinities speaking to Eternity, the manifestation of space-time.



Eternity is the cause for the Celestials' existance, along with the entire universe.






Kubik, a cube being, demonstrating his power

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Stupidity at its finest (or is it worst?)

Vagrant Lustoid 2

Near. He Gamesharks life.

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ANB

The infinities are basically responsible for Dark Matter activity...?

And if they are stronger than Eternity, who is astronomically stronger than a Celestial who are levels of infinite times stronger than a Cube Being (Who are universe busters and have infinite power)...



...No one can beat the Infinities. No one. Hyper Sonic and Superman would already have trouble just fighting a Celestial...

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Were they created by nothing? Or were they them­selves the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heaven and earth? Nay, but they are not sure.

(52:35-36)

Astner

There are beings in Marvel more powerful than the infinities.

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Stupidity at its finest (or is it worst?)

ANB

Isn't THIS Marvel??? >_<

And I stand by my declaration (For outside of Marvel):

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...No one can beat the Infinities. No one.

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Were they created by nothing? Or were they them­selves the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heaven and earth? Nay, but they are not sure.

(52:35-36)

Island of 1,000 Condiments

Call me oblivious to western comics, but what exactly are the Infinities?

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ANB

Goku is stronger than a Celestial:

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In the Marvel universe, Superhuman strength is often measured by a Class structure based on the number of tons a character can lift of his or her head, from 1 to 100 (Class 20, Class 50, Class 100, etc). Characters who can lift more than 100 tons often have incalculable or unlimited strength.

The Hulk has class 20 in his base and 30 at maximum rage. A standard Celestial is tied with the Hulk; also being class 30.

Goku trained casually with 10 tons post-Cell. The South Kaioshin taunted Kaio to raise it to 40 tons. Goku struggled, and went Super Saiyajin. The weight was no longer agonizing and in fact, he was smiling.

A Celestial has levels of infinite strength higher than a Cube Being (and they already have infinite strength). So basically, by Marvel's standards, SSJ Goku is stronger than a Celestial and has infinite measures of strength.

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Were they created by nothing? Or were they them­selves the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heaven and earth? Nay, but they are not sure.

(52:35-36)

Shirogetsu

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Kurushimi

That always confused me because I saw a comic of Hulk lifting much more than 30 tons.

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~ Credit to Ultimate_Gohan for the signature.

ANB

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During combat with the psionic entity known as Onslaught, stated to possess power rivaling a Celestial,[11] ^ Heroes Return #1-#4

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In the officially approved statistics of the "Marvel Super Heroes Adventure Game", Hulk was listed as having a calm level strength of 20, but could reach at least 30 when enraged, the same as a Celestial. This can be compared to Thor and Juggernaut being listed at 19, Silver Surfer at 20, Thanos at 22, Destroyer at 24, and Surtur at 28.[13] ^ Marvel Super Heroes Adventure Game SAGA, 1998

-Enraged Hulk=Celestial>>>Calm Hulk. Stated by two official sources (including the comics themselves).
-Celestials can only lift 30 tons. Ergo, they cannot truly have "infinite strength". It seems more to be a metaphor. What is interesting is that even the most powerful Celestials aren't even more powerful than SSJ2 Gohan and SPCell:

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In the latest Eternals comic series[20], the Dreaming Celestial -just awakened and finally released from its millions-years long imprisonment -claims that even in its current greatly weakened state, it is easily capable of annihilating Earth's Solar System.

-It is worth mentioning that there is a difference between "destructive capability" and "brute strength". Being able to destroy...whatever does not reflect how STRONG this ancient Celestial is. It's possible it can only lift twice as much as a standard Celestial.
-Strength class is proportional to the number of tons a character can lift (also stated):


So in a nutshell:

SSJ2 Gohan>/=SPCell=Ancient Celestial>>>>>>MSSJ Goku>>>Enraged Hulk=Celestial>>>Calm Hulk>Thanos>Juggernaut=Thor.

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As far as the Hulk lifting more than 30, you can't really blame Marvel because everyone forgets how strong their characters are (Toriyam forgetting Goku can actually handle much more than 40). Not only that, but there are different artists and writers who take over the storyline of the same character. Sometimes they make decisions that may weaken or reduce a character's abilities. A perfect example is Superman. Everyone knows Silver Age>>>Pretty much everyone but post-crisis Superman is suddenly quite weak. This is due to DC wanting to loos all confusion over the various incarnations of Superman authored by their staff over the years. Finally, if the Hulk ever lifted more than 30 tons that just means he got madder. After-all, the famous saying is "The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets". So there are various explanations, including canonically, as to why the Hulk would lift more than the official statistics given by Marvel.

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Were they created by nothing? Or were they them­selves the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heaven and earth? Nay, but they are not sure.

(52:35-36)

The Green Dragon

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