centaurhades

I also wonder about that

IMO demon world or any dimension>>>>>>>>>human realm

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-Because Cell is billions of times more powerfull than Son Goku in the Saiyajin Fight, who made the country-side rumble while Cell only made the planet tremble.

-Because Toriyama didn't want them blowing up the planet they're trying to protect:

^For the sake of his straight-forward plot, Toriyama made the Earth more and more durable.

-In fact, there is a plot-hole because when Vegeta powerd up, Goku said it felt like "The whole planet is trembling,":



-Sensui in Ningenkai is doing the exact same thing as Vegeta: Making the planet tremble, causing boulders to levitate and caves to collapse, etc. Since he was using less than 50% (which would be anywhere from 1-45) and Vegeta's power-level is 18,000 all you would need to do to calculate Sensui's power is multiplying that by 1-45. It's the same method for finding Toguro's power (Multiply 5, an ordinary human's number, by the percentage he is using). Consequently, Toguro is in the 600's with 120%.

-This method would only work if there was some comparison between the sheer phsyical effects Sensui and Vegeta had and the intensity of their fights. Only a fanboy or a bigot wouldn't be able to see the similarity.

-If we are to compare the two series based on their amazing feats than it's obvious Ningenkai is much weaker than DBZ's world. Everyone knows, for the recod, that Makai>>>Ningenkai. And yet, in Makai Sensui uses his full-power and it has the same effects as Goku:






In conclusion,


-Sensui can shatter Ningenkai with only half of his full-power
-Sensui can us his full-power in Makai
-Goku and Sensui had the same effect on the terrain
-Makai and DBZ can endure similar amounts of punishment

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Kurushimi

Well, that still wouldn't prove that the Ningenkai in YYH is weaker than the one in DBZ. It's a little foolish to use power up feats in the first place. If we were to look at the level of damage displayed by Sensui when he powered up (in Ningenkai) and mulitply it by 45, as you suggest, that would still be no where close to destroying even the Earth (and I believe Ningenkai refers to the universe.). He must've been using an extremely small percentage of his power. You also assume that the Makai is about as stable as DBZ's earth, having nothing to support this.

Also, Goku's statement is obviously a hyperbole. Supported by the fact that it took Cell to shake the planet.

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Raven

When I saw the fights the earth under them was shattering and rocks were flying everywhere but I didn't particularly notice the earth shaking...just had to sneak that in there but I don't want to debate. Just saying that the damage looked to be isolated and not so widespread.

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I've already explained that a more proper way of saying it is "practically 0%". To be truly accurate, 0% is also less than 50%. I only said Sensui was using 0% because Kurama stated Sensui was almost fully suppressing his power. Sensui was supposedly at this power level when we saw him in Ningenkai. The "<50%" quote was referring to a different, much higher power level that we didn't see Sensui go up to in the YYH Manga in Ningenkai. Sensui stated he couldn't (and didn't) go up to even 50% in Ningenkai, for fear of destroying it. Ningenkai just couldn't handle that much power being unleashed. Sorry I didn't explain it better earlier.

Good point, Raven. The damage was limited to the cave. I don't know about the shaking though. But we see mountain ranges, forests and cities beyond the cave shaking too. This was also during a scene where the cave was not really affected (and not even damaged), implying that this was nothing in comparison to the shaking Sensui was doing before. Sensui even said that his power was shaking all of "Dai-chi" (the entire human plane of existence) during that scene and Kuwabara also commented on Sensui's power affecting Itsuki's universe, which lay beyond the physical universe entirely. Sensui's power-up was infinitely more impressive than Vegeta's, as it shook (but did not damage) infinitely more space.

My thoughts precisely.

EDIT: My overall stance on this issue is power-ups prove nothing about a person's true power level. Nappa shook the Earth. Vegeta shook the Earth. Cell shook the Earth. It doesn't mean they're the same strength. Sensui Minoru's power in Ningenkai didn't cause nearly as much damage as Toguro's 80% power-up. That doesn't mean Toguro at 80% was stronger than Sensui Minoru. It's just an effect of their power. The stronger characters mentioned above probably could've done more damage if they released enough destructive power in a power-up, but that doesn't mean they have to release that much destructive power in a power-up. Just beause characters get stronger doesn't mean their power-up has to be more devastating to the environment. Their power-up can be more devastating, but it doesn't have to be.

Just look at the examples posted. It was said by ANB that Sensui's (suppressed) and Vegeta's power-up both affected the environment the same way, so they are comparable in strength. However, a contradiction occurs if Sensui powering up to his Offence Armour is compared to Goku's power-up. Goku is weaker than Vegeta at that point, and Sensui in his Offence Armour is stronger than Sensui (suppressed). If Sensui (Offence Armour) going all out is comparable in strength to Goku at a power level of over 9,000, how can Sensui be comparable in strength to Vegeta at a power level of 18,000? Not to mention Sensui was suppressing almost all of his power in the comparison with Vegeta, making it even more unsound. It just doesn't work.

This is why power-ups are not a good stick to measure by, as it can lead to rife inaccuracies about a character's power level. Destructive feats in general can be compared, but since the effects of power-ups usually (but not always) only show an indeterminate fraction of a character's power level, they should not be used as comparable destructive feats to judge a character's true power level. The fact that we see weaker characters in both series causing equal or even more damage to the environment with their power-up than stronger characters should prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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