Nikushimi

Oh, and you did?

For the record, I've provided mountains of evidence to the moon and back, and you've yet to refute the tiniest iota.

Let me explain it to you in words you can understand then: Itachi is God in the Tsukuyomi.



@ANB: You said X-Ray vision alone, and nothing more. You did not mention any of those other eye abilities. Still, they all fall short of doing...anything...once he's in Tsukuyomi. The eyes allow him to see different levels of information in the world around him. The brain processes that information, and he perceives it in that fashion. So, when his brain is under Itachi's total control...

That's the basis of Genjutsu, you see. Tsukuyomi is...an unbeatable god Genjutsu.




This topic has become ridiculous. Itachi would pick Silver Age Superman up by the asshole and fill him with so much fire, he'd be spewing flames every time he talked. For the rest of his life. FOREVER.

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SS2 Vegeto

The RoSaT is just a place that subjects you to harsh conditions, and is in a different dimension of time. It has greater gravity, extreme swings in temperature, etc. Nothing about it's abilities to cause stress/damage or any affect is limitless. It doesn't have someone controlling it that can make absolutely anything happen within it, controlling everything completely, etc. If the RoSaT was like Tsukoyomi..you know what? There would be some actually thinking personality behind it, that could make anything happen within it, with no limits, and can change anything about it, without limitations, controlling everything in it and about it, including you and anything to do with you, and wants to harm you, maybe kill you, and can do so by merely deciding to. Comparing it to Tsukoyomi is completely absurd. As for Evil Buu? He opened a hole, no wider than a metre, and it repaired itself in moments. That is not "shattering a dimension".

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ANB

How can I take your oppinion srsly??

I mean, look: YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

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Were they created by nothing? Or were they them­selves the creators (of themselves)? Or did they create heaven and earth? Nay, but they are not sure.

(52:35-36)

Deep thought

So, SS2 Vegeto, according to your logic, could Itachi can own Pre-Recton Beyonder or the One-Above-All or both of them easily, right? :/

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Nikushimi

In Tsukuyomi? It depends. Are they:

1. immortal?

2. invincible?

3. omnipotent?

and/or

4. in any way immune to mental assault?


I know little about them, very little in fact, other than Beyonder possibly being the strongest fictional character ever and One-Above-All being...God.

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an0nym0us

Control on time/space does not indicate omnipotency, there are DC/Marvel characters who can control time/space still they are not omnipotent.

Any proof about,

Superman (Silver Age)>SS4 Goku

are you contradicting SS2 Vegeto's argument?

Kurushimi

I can't believe this argument actually went on this long. In Tsukiyomi Itachi controls everything. He can do anything. While I'm not sure how beings such as Beyonder and One-Above-All would react to Tsukiyomi (as I am not familiar with them and their powers) I am more than certain that in Tsukiyomi Superman wouldn't stand a chance.

an0nym0us

Superman doesn't have limitless potential because his limit is in the form of Superman Prime. Superman didn't move a galaxy with his will, It's Superman Dynasty and a Gorilla Superman who prevent a galaxy from being shattered with their Force vision.

Nikushimi

Tsukuyomi is an existance controlled by Itachi. The entire thing, and all laws governing it, are decided by Itachi, at a whim.

Put simply, no, I am not.

I know little about the Beyonder or the One-Above-All, and contrary to what you seem to think, I don't just blindly state "Itachi wins!" as a biased opinion in every match-up. D;

If we're talking about immortal beings here, i.e, they can't be killed, then Itachi can't kill them. Simple as that. If these are omnipotent beings, whose control spans all of existance as a whole, and whose prescence is infinite, to the extent that the real world is basically their "Tsukuyomi", then obviously, Itachi can't win.

However, I maintain that anything less barely equates to a sex toy in the Tsukuyomi.

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an0nym0us

The point is Itachi is not omnipotent.



You are contradicting your own assumption because you said it yourself that only a true mangekyo sharingan user can beat Itachi.

Nikushimi

Creating an alternate existance, and governing that existance, to every conceivable degree, is not omnipotence?

That...very obviously excludes immortals and omnipotent gods, for...very obvious reasons.

If a being has such complete omnipotence as, say, the One-Above-All, how can it be confined in the Tsukuyomi, and lose its omnipotence? At Itachi's whim? Sorry. It's still a Genjutsu, albeit a powerful one. Anything bound by...normal laws...is subject to total humiliation at the hands of this technique. But anything or anyone that exists apart from existance...well...that's a completely different story.

Keep in mind, though, that when I say "omnipotent gods", I mean "omnipotent gods". Unless your existance transcends mortality and existential law, you...really can't do anything in the Tsukuyomi, except maybe pray to the omnipotent gods that Itachi leaves some miniscule portion of your asshole only semi-destroyed from violent sodomy.

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Kurushimi

1. While in Tsukiyomi he is omnipotent. He controls everything that happens there.

2. Itachi said himself that only a true sharingan user would be able to stand against Tsukiyomi. When dealing, however, with omnipotent beings, I suppose that rule could be bent just a bit.

an0nym0us

It's not, there are lots of characters in US comics who can control time/space better than tsukuyomi still they are not omnipotent.

Still that doesn't change the fact about your assumption that only a mangekyo sharingan can beat Itachi. The Law of Tsukuyomi is only applicable on Naruto Universe not on DC/Marvel/DBZ.

Kurushimi

1. Omnipotence is the ability to do anything. If you think of something Itachi can't do in Tsukiyomi give me a call.

2. It is not an assumption. Itachi stated himself that only a true sharingan user could defeat stand against Tsukiyomi.

Nikushimi

Fabricating an entire dimension and controlling all it's laws- nay, being all its laws, is not omnipotence?

And if there actually are characters who can control time, space, and matter better than Itachi controls the Tsukuyomi...they aren't omnipotent???



It applies to anyone who is bound by normal limitations. Obviously, a being that transcends existance is not bound by the laws of that existance. That, by the way, is the premise of Tsukuyomi.

According to the Naruto universe, Tsukuyomi has stated properties that transcend the series itself, i.e., being unbreakable to anyone without Mangekyou Sharingan, because the mechanics of the Genjutsu demand it, otherwise it can't be resisted. But when something transcends...everything...and plays the part of a "Duos Ex Machina"...then NO laws are applicable, including those of Tsukuyomi.

Laws can be overridden by other laws, where there is room to do so. For instance, the words "omnipotent" and "immortal" have concrete definitions, and are not subject to negotiation. If a character is "omnipotent" or "immortal", then...they just are. That's it. End of story.

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