Masked_Felix

Yeah, but if he did that, couldn't Kimmimaro bone shank him from such a range?

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Yet again, Kimimaro holds the speed advantage.

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JAIF

Uh, gaiz, sorry to disappoint you but Zabuza has this in the bag.

A normal, strong person wielding a zanbato as big as Zabuza's can cut through an iron bar. Someone as strong as Zabuza would cleave Kimimaro's head off, strengthened bones or not. Sand pressure applied from all directions cannot compare in power to something as thin and sharp as the edge of a zanbato wielded with maximum strength. It's physics, really.

Now, that aside. Zabuza's skills exceed Kimimaro's straigthforward fighting style. First of all, Zabuza was a prominent member of Kirigakure, so he should have all information neccessary on the Kaguya, their strengths, weaknesses etc. Kimimaro was turned into Orochimaru's slave at a very young age, so he should have nothing on Zabuza. The way I see it, Kirigakure no Jutsu would be enough to do the trick. In the mist, Kimimaro would have no way of seeing Zabuza approach before his head was on the ground. So what if Kimimaro had bones protruding all over his body, ready to impale Zabuza as he came close? Zabuza would simply use a Mizu Bunshin, trap Kimimaro in Suirou no Jutsu, and as Kimimaro dispersed the Mizu Bunshin with his bones, the real Zabuza would pop up from behind and cleave Kimimaro's head off.

Curse Seal 1 or 2 only makes so much of a difference. Zabuza wins in all three occasions.

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Kakashi is faster than them both and Zabuza got him so he could get Kimimaro and as for making come out and stab Zabuza, Kakashi could reach an arm out of the water prison so I don't think Kimimaro could poke and bone out.

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@JAIF: I love how you completely disregard the Databook Stats, which give Kimimaro an advantage in everything except Ninjutsu, Power, and Seals.

@GOAT: Kakashi was protecting three Genin and a non-Shinobi, whilst fighting Zabuza's Kage Bunshins. Kimimaro has neither of those distractions.

Oh, and that would mean Kakashi's Speed is at Tier 5? Bring me his Databook Stats.

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JAIF

Databook stats don't mean much. Naruto is not linear. Deal with it.

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Hatake Kakashi (Databook I)
Ninjutsu: 5
Taijutsu: 4
Genjutsu: 4
Knowledge: 4.5
Strength: 3.5
Speed: 4
Stamina: 3
Seal: 5

Momochi Zabuza
Ninjutsu: 4.5
Taijutsu: 4.5
Genjutsu: 2.5
Knowledge: 3
Strength: 4
Speed: 4
Stamina: 4
Seal: 4

Sabaku no Gaara (Databook II)
Ninjutsu: 4.5
Taijutsu: 2
Genjutsu: 2.5
Knowledge: 3.5
Strength: 2
Speed: 3
Stamina: 5
Seal: 4

Kaguya Kimimaro (Base)
Ninjutsu: 4
Taijutsu: 5
Genjutsu: 3
Knowledge: 3.5
Strength: 3
Speed: 4.5
Stamina: 4.5
Seal: 3

These are the Stats of everyone brought into question. As explained, Kimimaro has higher Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Knowledge, Speed, and Stamina than Zabuza. Compared to Gaara, Kimimaro has higher Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Strength, and Speed. They are equal in Knowledge. Keep in mind, this is Base Kimimaro. Now, lets compare Zabuza to Gaara. Zabuza has higher Taijutsu, Speed, and Strength. They are equal in Ninjutsu, Knowledge, and Seals. That means the only advantage Gaara has is Knowledge and Stamina. Now, why are Kakashi's Stats in this? Because, Speed-wise, Kimimaro > Kakashi = Zabuza. Zabuza caught Kakashi because Kakashi was distracted. So tell me, what are the chances of Zabuza catching someone who has a Speed advantage and is not distracted in a Water Prison? Also tell me how Gaara > Zabuza when they are near equal, with Zabuza having the advantage.

For the sake of it, lets compare Kimimaro & Kakashi (Databook I). Kimimaro has the advantage in Taijutsu, Speed, and Stamina. Kakashi has the advantage in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, Knowledge, Strength, and Seals. Looking at that, Kimimaro's only advantage is the possibility of impaling Kakashi with Taijutsu before he releases Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. Even then, there's Sharingan to worry about. So, I don't see Kimimaro defeating Kakashi. However, he might, and only maybe in CS2, if he uses Dance of Seedling Fern. That's only if he can pull it off and Kakashi is too weak to not be impaled by a forest of bones.

In the end, this is what I believe.

Kakashi (Databook II) > Kakashi (Databook I) > Kimimaro > Zabuza > Gaara (Databook II) > Gaara (Databook I)


Edit: The Databook Stats are official. Deal with it.

Edit: http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...ooks-rule.html

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JAIF

The Databooks mean what the Databooks mean. A person with tier 5 speed is faster than a person with tier 4 speed. A person's overall ability with ninjutsu at tier 5 is greater than one's at tier 4. However, a person with tier 4 ninjutsu specializing in Fuuton and long-range jutsu could potentially beat a person with tier 5 ninjutsu specializing in Raiton and mid-to-short-range jutsu. Like I said, Naruto is not linear, no matter how you try to defend the opposite. I've already proven there is little, if anything, that Kimimaro could do once Kirigakure no Jutsu is set. I've already proven that Zabuza's cleaver can cut through Kimimaro's bones. I've already proven that Suirou no Jutsu will not be used without a Mizu Bunshin, because Zabuza has knowledge on Kimimaro's techniques since his clan originated from Zabuza's own village. I've already proven that Kimimaro lacks all forms of knowledge on Zabuza because he was abducted from the village as a child and had little or no contact with it whatsoever.

I already know full well that you cannot counter these points, because they are raw facts. However, if you feel like it, by all means try. The Databook stats in no way determine the outcome of a fight. Fact. By my facts and logically valid trails of thought, Zabuza defeats Kimimaro. You can go around arguing day and night about how Databook stats determine everything. Unless you somehow manage to disprove facts, or Kishimoto himself pops out of my computer screen, grabs me by the neck and starts shaking me yelling in my ear that Zabuza will be raped hardcore by Kimimaro, my opinion stands. You can make yourself into believing otherwise, and that changes nothing.

Hmpfh.

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Nikushimi

With Kirigakure no Jutsu and Silent Homicide, the battle's in Zabuza's favor. Kimimaro could try sending out spikes with his Sawarabi no Mai and turning the battlefield into a forest of bone, but that's just...a blind shot in the dark, and a waste of chakra. Zabuza still has full mobility, and I'm sure he could find a way to avoid getting hit. Statistically, Kimimaro isn't all that far from Kakashi, only lacking the same level of Genjutsu, Ninjutsu, and Intelligence.

I personally think Kimimaro is stronger than Zabuza, but Zabuza seems like he could be a bad match for Kimimaro.

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

Intelligence: According to the Databooks, Kimimaro has higher Intelligence. D=

Also, it's notable that Kimimaro knew of Gaara.

Kimimaro: Gaara... so it was you... (Chapter 213)

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Bone Armor > Zabuza's Cleaver:
Kimimaro: My Kekkei Genkai controls both the bone forming and destroying cells, as well as the density of calcium, to manipulate the formation of bones. (Chapter 212)

In chapter 213, Kimimaro's finger bones broke through Gaara's sand. In chapter 215, Kimimaro takes a direct Sand Coffin. In chapter 215, Kimimaro takes the Desert Avalanche. In chapter 216, Kimimaro takes another direct Sand Coffin and proceeds to shatter it. In chapter 216, Kimimaro shatters Gaara's absolute defense.

Orochimaru: They (Kaguya Clan) possess an inpenetrable sketetonal frame... which can resist any type of physical attack. (Chapter 216)

Orochimaru: If they (Kaguya Clan) were ever to go on an offensive, their bones could instantly turn into the sharpest point of a spear. (Chapter 216)

-Note- The sharpest point of a spear is metal.

Gaara: You'll sink to a depth of 200 meters underground and be held there... With the pressure of the sand clinging to your body, you'll immediately be unable to move even a finger. (Chapter 217)

Kimimaro not only survived this but escaped after taking two Sand Coffins and the Desert Avalanche.

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Kimimaro > Kabuto:
Kabuto: I'm sorry... But... your greatest servant... what kind of hindrance could he face... there is nobody who could be Kimimaro. (Chapter 217)

Kabuto, as a servant of Orochimaru, stated Kimimaro was stronger than him. Kakuto was also stated to be on Kakashi's level. D=

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Nikushimi

One problem: Would Kabuto really include himself under the title of "servant"? He's Orochimaru's right-hand mine, by Orochimaru's own admission.

As I said, Kimimaro's Ninjutsu, Genjutsu, and Intelligence fall pretty short of Kakashi's. While they're still higher than Zabuza's, even if you include the 10x increase from the Juin on top of the stats that are already there, these statistics won't increase, since they are based on ability, not strength.

Also, the Teshi Sendan didn't break through Gaara's sand shield. At least not the way I interpreted it. It seemed more like Gaara pulled them through to get a look at them.

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In front of Orochimaru, yes, I believe he would.


Against Zabuza, Kimimaro has higher Taijutsu, Genjutsu, Knowledge, Speed, and Stamina.


Uh, what's Teshi Sendan?

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Nikushimi

But Orochimaru himself stated Kabuto was his go-to guy, and that he trusted him even with Sasuke's well-being.

Zabuza also has higher Ninjutsu, Seals, and Power. Either way you roll the dice, they're pretty close. IMO, it comes down to the nature of their techniques, and I think Kirigakure no Jutsu would give Kimimaro trouble.

"Finger Bullets". =/

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