Teen Goten

Sorry, but I'm not going to stop making these strongest lists. I won't stop until I see every single battle in Naruto. Here's some more lists.
Strongest Ninjas from Kirigakure (seen in Naruto 1)
Kisame
Kimimaro
Haku
Zabuza
Demon Bros.

Strongest Ninjas from Sunagakure (seen in Naruto 1)
Gaara
4th Kazekage
Baki
Temari
Kankuro

Strongest Ninjas from Iwagakure (seen in Kakashi Gaiden)
Kakka
Taiseki
Mahiru

I'm still working on Konohagakure's Strongest. I should be finish with it pretty soon.

Nikushimi

1. The Sanbi was NOT stronger than Deidara. Deidara easily wasted that thing, and with one arm. And afterwards, he hardly looked tired at all. And I didn't see any injuries on him, either.
2. There is no evidence that Hidan>Kakuzu. In fact, it seems to be the opposite. Kakuzu acts like the senior in the group, and Hidan acts as the Junior. Kakuzu's obviously more powerful than him.
3. In your Iwagakure list, you forgot the most obvious: Deidara!
4. In the Suna list,
a. It's the 3rd Kazekage, not the 4th. There wasn't anything special about the 4th. It was Sandaime Kazekage that had the iron sand, and he was said to be the greatest Kazekage, meaning that he was stronger than Gaara.
b. Sasori is easily the strongest from Sunagakure. Easily. And you forgot him.

Itachi, Sasori, and Hidan are the strongest characters so far. The very top 3, from what has been demonstrated (which means that, even if Kakuzu's way stronger than Hidan, he doesn't count because we haven't seen him fight much).
To do his ritual, Hidan needs his foe's blood. The only way to get Sasori's blood is to get his heart, since his body has no blood, being a puppet. And being the slowest Akatsuki member, I doubt Hidan could get past Sasori's attacks and attack his heart container. In fact, Sasori in his Hiruko form would probably kill Hidan. So Sasori>Hidan.
Now against Itachi, Hidan has a better chance. It is likely that Hidan could get blood from Itachi and perform his ritual, thereby winning against Itachi. But that all depends upon Itachi not using the Tsukuyomi, or if he does, Hidan being able to avoid looking Itachi in the eyes. But Itachi has plenty of illusions, so it's doubtful that Hidan would win. And, again, being the slowest, Hidan may not even be able to touch Itachi.
Now, the final match-up: Itachi vs. Sasori. This is a very tough call, as I have said in the past. If Itachi's Tsukuyomi could work against Sasori, then Itachi would most likely win. But if Sasori's puppet body means that his eyes are mechanical now, too, and since he has no brain (only a heart), the illusion wouldn't work. And one cut would be all Sasori's needs to kill Itachi, which wouldn't be too hard, and would probably be unavoidable for the Uchiha if Sasori busted out Sandaime Kazekage and used Satetsu Kaihou. Of course, then there's Itachi's Katon techniques, and the fact that Sasori, being a puppet, is basically a big walking bonfire. So it's a tough call, and could go either way. We'll just have to say Itachi=Sasori.
So Itachi=Sasori>Hidan.

That's all you really need to know. Those are the three strongest that we've seen in action so far. Although Yonbi Naruto may put up a fight against them, I don't think an Akatsuki member would go down that easily. Especially since taking down Bijuu and their Jinchuuriki is their main job, and they've already succeeded before in capturing the Ichibi (Gaara), the Nibi (Yugito), the Sanbi (wild, but even Deidara managed to beat it, and with little effort), and two other unnamed Jinchuuriki and their unknown Bijuu.

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Teen Goten

But I'm only doing "strongest ninjas from ???? village" lists for those seen in combat in Naruto 1 and Kakashi Gaiden. Here's another one.
Strongest Ninjas from Otogakure (seen in Naruto 1)
Tayuya
Sakon=Ukon
Kidomaru
Jirobo
Yoroi
Tsurugi
Dosu
Zaku
Kin

I'm almost done with Konohagakure.

Nikushimi

I doubt Tayuya was the strongest of the Sound 4. I think the strongest would either be Kidoumaru or Sakon/Ukon.
And I SERIOUSLY doubt that Gaara>Yondaime Kazekage. I mean, Orochimaru said that it was thanks to Kimimaro that he was able to take down the Kazekage so easily, which meant that it would've required some effort on Orochimaru's part if he fought alone. Also, the Kazekage has to be pretty close to Sarutobi's level- he's a freakin' kage, after all. And there's no way Gaara could handle Kimimaro by himself in Naruto 1. Now, Orochimaru would totally rape Gaara with no problem. So if he could actually put up a fight against Orochimaru, then Yondaime Kazekage is definitely stronger than Gaara, at least until after the timeskip.

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DBAF Killer

Tayuya as the strongest of the sound village. Wrong. Actually, Kabuto should be the strongest one from the sound village since that's where he really comes from there.

Teen Goten

Here's the list that you were all waiting for. Tell me what you think of it.
Strongest Ninjas from Konohagakure (seen in Naruto 1 and Kakashi Gaiden)
4th Hokage/Konoha's Yellow Flash/????? -Strongest
Itachi
Jiraiya
Orochimaru
Tsunade/5th Hokage
3rd Hokage/Sarutobi ???
2nd Hokage
1st Hokage
Sasuke (overall)
Naruto (overall)
Lee
Gai
Kakashi=Kabuto
Asuma
Shizune
Hiashi
Ibiki
Genma
Anko
Neji
Shibi
Shikaku
Choza
Tsume
Inoichi
Kurenai
Hayate
Ebisu
Obito
Mizuki
Iruka
Shikamaru
Rin
Shino
Tenten
Kiba (w/ Akamaru)
Choji
Hinata
Ino=Sakura -Weakest

DBAF Killer

[quote user="Teen Goten"] Here's the list that you were all waiting for. Tell me what you think of it.
Strongest Ninjas from Konohagakure (seen in Naruto 1 and Kakashi Gaiden)
4th Hokage/Konoha's Yellow Flash/????? -Strongest
Itachi
Jiraiya
Orochimaru
Tsunade/5th Hokage
3rd Hokage/Sarutobi ???
2nd Hokage
1st Hokage
Sasuke (overall)
Naruto (overall)
Lee
Gai
Kakashi=Kabuto
Asuma
Shizune
Hiashi
Ibiki
Genma
Anko
Neji
Shibi
Shikaku
Choza
Tsume
Inoichi
Kurenai
Hayate
Ebisu
Obito
Mizuki
Iruka
Shikamaru
Rin
Shino
Tenten
Kiba (w/ Akamaru)
Choji
Hinata
Ino=Sakura -Weakest

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WHAT THE HELL!? The 1st Hokage would be stronger than his little brother because he has a Kekkai Genkai. Lee, without the used of being drunk or opening the life gates isn't stronger than Lee. And Neji isn't stronger than the Rookie 9's parents.

Nikushimi

Moreover, Itachi is stronger than Yondaime.
Also, Sarutobi (Sandaime Hokage) is stronger than Tsunade and probably equal to Jiraiya. Orochimaru is the strongest of the Sannin.
Also, WTF, Lee>Gai>Kakashi?! Lee is nowhere NEAR Kakashi's level, let alone Gai's. Even with 5 Gates, Kakashi would rape Lee with one arm. Gai would flat-out annihilate him.
I'm not even going to go into all the other errors...
There's just one thing you need to know:

Itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>all>>>>>>>>>>>>you

God I haven't done that in a long time. And it feels great.

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DBAF Killer

And moreover, Itachi isn't stronger than Yondaime. So what if Itachi fully master his Kekkai Genkai and killed his entire clan (except Sasuke). That's nothing compare to the Yondaime's accomplishments. Did Itachi gain the rank of Kage? Did Itachi create 2 powerful jutsus? Has Itachi been given a nickname for his reputation? Does the Rock ninjas have precise orders to automatically retreat if Itachi in the battlezone? Did Itachi battle the Kyuubi and seal it away? NO! Itachi is just a bum who depends on his Mangekyou Sharingan so much and have no other skills then that. So....
Yondaime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi>>>>>>>>>>> >>all>>>>>>>>>>>you (as in JC)
Boy, that feels good.

Nikushimi

Try to stick a little bit of the topic in your posts so we don't get busted for spam.

Yeah, Itachi killed his whole clan and mastered his bloodline by attaining Mangekyou- at the age of 13-15. Itachi far surpasses the rank of kage. If I remember correctly, Sarutobi was considered the strongest Kage of his time (not overall, but in comparison to the other Kages, even though he was an old man and was supposed to be retired). Yet Oro is stronger than him, and Itachi is stronger than Oro. Did Itachi create two powerful Jutsus? I don't know if he created them, but I can think of four right off the top of my head: Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Bunshin Bakuha, and the Finger Genjutsu trick (unnamed). A nickname? Uh, no, but what the hell does a nickname matter? Kakashi's dad had a nickname, and the pussy ended up committing suicide. Not only that, but it's likely that Kakashi is actually stronger than his dad. Hell, Kakashi has a nickname, and Itachi easily raped him and could oh-so-easily wipe the floor with him in a one-on-one battle. Would the Rock Ninjas have orders to retreat if he appeared? Probably not. But then, Yondaime had a reputation. He was the freaking Hokage, so naturally he was expected to be strong. That doesn't mean Itachi couldn't rape every single ninja in Iwagakure with one finger. Did Itachi seal the Kyuubi? Obvious "no"- the Kyuubi's already sealed. :P Well, Itachi was sent to capture the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, so it's likely that he was pretty damn strong because he was sent after the strongest Bijuu. Also, just because Yondaime knew a sealing technique doesn't mean he's stronger than Itachi. No other skills? Itachi had the best grades in his classes at the Academy, activated his Sharingan at age 6, became a Chuunin at age 8, and became an ANBU squad leader- a frikin' SQUAD LEADER -at age 13. Not to mention his Taijutsu alone surpasses the Taijutsu of anyone else's seen so far except for Tsunade and MAYBE Gai (with Gates). Not only that, but he also probably has mastery over all of the Katon Ninjutsus. Calling Itachi a bum who has no skills beyond the Mangekyou Sharingan is absurd.

Itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yondaime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>you (as in DBAF Killer; thankyou for turning this into a personal matter, because before, the "you" was just in general >_>)
Damn straight it feels good.

Back to the discussion so that I don't spam and look like a hypocrite:

No, Oro couldn't beat Sasori without Kabuto's help, some antidote, and a very good strategy.
Everyone, stop underestimating Chiyo, because Chiyoba-sama owns you all in the ass.
Being reminded of Sakura's manly strength, I think I'll go find a nice corner to curl up and cry in.

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="Ultimatesaiyajin (JC)"] Try to stick a little bit of the topic in your posts so we don't get busted for spam.

Yeah, Itachi killed his whole clan and mastered his bloodline by attaining Mangekyou- at the age of 13-15. Itachi far surpasses the rank of kage. If I remember correctly, Sarutobi was considered the strongest Kage of his time (not overall, but in comparison to the other Kages, even though he was an old man and was supposed to be retired). Yet Oro is stronger than him, and Itachi is stronger than Oro. Did Itachi create two powerful Jutsus? I don't know if he created them, but I can think of four right off the top of my head: Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Bunshin Bakuha, and the Finger Genjutsu trick (unnamed). A nickname? Uh, no, but what the hell does a nickname matter? Kakashi's dad had a nickname, and the pussy ended up committing suicide. Not only that, but it's likely that Kakashi is actually stronger than his dad. Hell, Kakashi has a nickname, and Itachi easily raped him and could oh-so-easily wipe the floor with him in a one-on-one battle. Would the Rock Ninjas have orders to retreat if he appeared? Probably not. But then, Yondaime had a reputation. He was the freaking Hokage, so naturally he was expected to be strong. That doesn't mean Itachi couldn't rape every single ninja in Iwagakure with one finger. Did Itachi seal the Kyuubi? Obvious "no"- the Kyuubi's already sealed. :P Well, Itachi was sent to capture the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, so it's likely that he was pretty damn strong because he was sent after the strongest Bijuu. Also, just because Yondaime knew a sealing technique doesn't mean he's stronger than Itachi. No other skills? Itachi had the best grades in his classes at the Academy, activated his Sharingan at age 6, became a Chuunin at age 8, and became an ANBU squad leader- a frikin' SQUAD LEADER -at age 13. Not to mention his Taijutsu alone surpasses the Taijutsu of anyone else's seen so far except for Tsunade and MAYBE Gai (with Gates). Not only that, but he also probably has mastery over all of the Katon Ninjutsus. Calling Itachi a bum who has no skills beyond the Mangekyou Sharingan is absurd.

Itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yondaime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>you (as in DBAF Killer; thankyou for turning this into a personal matter, because before, the "you" was just in general >_>)
Damn straight it feels good.

Back to the discussion so that I don't spam and look like a hypocrite:

No, Oro couldn't beat Sasori without Kabuto's help, some antidote, and a very good strategy.
Everyone, stop underestimating Chiyo, because Chiyoba-sama owns you all in the ass.
Being reminded of Sakura's manly strength, I think I'll go find a nice corner to curl up and cry in.
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First of all, the list. Neji is strong, but not stronger than any of the Rookie 9's parents. They have way more experinence and powerful jutsus than Neji does. And Anko should of been place above Shizune since she was train by Orochimaru, who's stronger than Tsunade.
Now, Itachi didn't create those jutsus since he was born with them like every other Uchiha who manage to gain the Mangekyou Sharingan in the past. And that finger jutsu of his is just a plain genjutsu that anyone with good chakra control could do. Secondly, Yondaime wasn't Hokage during Kakashi Gaiden, yet the Rock ninjas would had to retreat from Yondaime as a jounin. Also, don't compare ranks between Yondaime and Itachi. Like Lee said before "There are two kinds of strength. The kind you're born with...and the kind you only get from back-breaking work" (Chap 37). Itachi being in the S-class had to do with being born with a Kekkai Genkai that makes a natural born genuis. Yet Yondaime had to work very hard to earn the rank of Kage. With or without the Sharingan, Itachi would get "rape" by Yondaime with powerful self made jutsus. Yondaime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ita chi.
And I think you're discussing in the wrong topic. Sasori vs Oro & Kabuto is in the Naruto Matchup subforum.

Saiyan Slayer

Naruto suppose to be stronger than Sasuke. Just because he didn't beat him at Valley's End, Naruto isn't weaker than Sasuke. If Naruto didn't stop pulling his Rasengan, he would not only defeat Sasuke but killed him.

Nikushimi

[quote user="DBAF Killer"][quote user="Ultimatesaiyajin (JC)"] Try to stick a little bit of the topic in your posts so we don't get busted for spam.

Yeah, Itachi killed his whole clan and mastered his bloodline by attaining Mangekyou- at the age of 13-15. Itachi far surpasses the rank of kage. If I remember correctly, Sarutobi was considered the strongest Kage of his time (not overall, but in comparison to the other Kages, even though he was an old man and was supposed to be retired). Yet Oro is stronger than him, and Itachi is stronger than Oro. Did Itachi create two powerful Jutsus? I don't know if he created them, but I can think of four right off the top of my head: Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Bunshin Bakuha, and the Finger Genjutsu trick (unnamed). A nickname? Uh, no, but what the hell does a nickname matter? Kakashi's dad had a nickname, and the pussy ended up committing suicide. Not only that, but it's likely that Kakashi is actually stronger than his dad. Hell, Kakashi has a nickname, and Itachi easily raped him and could oh-so-easily wipe the floor with him in a one-on-one battle. Would the Rock Ninjas have orders to retreat if he appeared? Probably not. But then, Yondaime had a reputation. He was the freaking Hokage, so naturally he was expected to be strong. That doesn't mean Itachi couldn't rape every single ninja in Iwagakure with one finger. Did Itachi seal the Kyuubi? Obvious "no"- the Kyuubi's already sealed. :P Well, Itachi was sent to capture the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, so it's likely that he was pretty damn strong because he was sent after the strongest Bijuu. Also, just because Yondaime knew a sealing technique doesn't mean he's stronger than Itachi. No other skills? Itachi had the best grades in his classes at the Academy, activated his Sharingan at age 6, became a Chuunin at age 8, and became an ANBU squad leader- a frikin' SQUAD LEADER -at age 13. Not to mention his Taijutsu alone surpasses the Taijutsu of anyone else's seen so far except for Tsunade and MAYBE Gai (with Gates). Not only that, but he also probably has mastery over all of the Katon Ninjutsus. Calling Itachi a bum who has no skills beyond the Mangekyou Sharingan is absurd.

Itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yondaime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>you (as in DBAF Killer; thankyou for turning this into a personal matter, because before, the "you" was just in general >_>)
Damn straight it feels good.

Back to the discussion so that I don't spam and look like a hypocrite:

No, Oro couldn't beat Sasori without Kabuto's help, some antidote, and a very good strategy.
Everyone, stop underestimating Chiyo, because Chiyoba-sama owns you all in the ass.
Being reminded of Sakura's manly strength, I think I'll go find a nice corner to curl up and cry in.
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First of all, the list. Neji is strong, but not stronger than any of the Rookie 9's parents. They have way more experinence and powerful jutsus than Neji does. And Anko should of been place above Shizune since she was train by Orochimaru, who's stronger than Tsunade.
Now, Itachi didn't create those jutsus since he was born with them like every other Uchiha who manage to gain the Mangekyou Sharingan in the past. And that finger jutsu of his is just a plain genjutsu that anyone with good chakra control could do. Secondly, Yondaime wasn't Hokage during Kakashi Gaiden, yet the Rock ninjas would had to retreat from Yondaime as a jounin. Also, don't compare ranks between Yondaime and Itachi. Like Lee said before "There are two kinds of strength. The kind you're born with...and the kind you only get from back-breaking work" (Chap 37). Itachi being in the S-class had to do with being born with a Kekkai Genkai that makes a natural born genuis. Yet Yondaime had to work very hard to earn the rank of Kage. With or without the Sharingan, Itachi would get "rape" by Yondaime with powerful self made jutsus. Yondaime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ita chi.
And I think you're discussing in the wrong topic. Sasori vs Oro & Kabuto is in the Naruto Matchup subforum.
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...WTF?! Did I my post switch topics, or was I just stupid? My bad...

Look, there's nothing that says that Itachi didn't create those moves. They're not necessarily basic Mangekyou abilities, because the Mangekyou itself isn't basic. There are hardly any who can even attain it, and judging by the fact that Itachi was only interested in Sasuke and killed everyone else, only he, Sasuke, and the third user could attain/had attained it. Which makes it very, very rare. As for the Finger Genjutsu, if it was so simple, why couldn't anyone besides Itachi use it? And Yondaime... Oh yeah, I forgot he wasn't Hokage then... Well, it doesn't matter. If he had a notorious reputation, that still doesn't really mean much. I mean, everyone in East-Freakin'-Korea knew about Kakashi. I suppose that if there were orders to retreat if Yondaime appeared, then he must've been something special, but that's why he became Hokage. The Stone Ninja weren't very strong anyway. They didn't even seem on the same level as the Sound 4, and I'm POSITIVE they would have orders from Orochimaru to retreat if there was news that Itachi was in the area. Well, maybe not, since Oro has a tendency to send his minions to their dooms. As for "two kinds of strength", it's obvious that Itachi isn't just a natural-born genius. I mean, he is, but he seems like he also got his strength by training. And, in case you forgot, Lee hasn't won a single battle against a genius. Only Sasuke, pre-Chuunin Exams. After that, he was ass-raped by Gaara and Kimimaro, and he's never beaten Neji. So that kinda throws a big bucket of "Who cares?" on Lee's "hard work vs. genius" philosophy. Itachi being S-Class had to do with the fact that he was extremely skilled and dangerous even at a young age, and he turned out even more powerful than Orochimaru. Also, just because a Jutsu is self-made doesn't really make it better than other Jutsus. Look at Kakashi's Chidori/Raikiri. Kakashi threatened Oro with the Chidori, and he ended up too scared to even move. Sasuke (who didn't create the Chidori, but was trained by the person that did) used Chidori, and had his wrist caught and broken in one twitch by Itachi. Then, let's look at Shishi Rendan and Uzumaki Rendan in comparison to Omote Renge. Need I really say anything beyond the fact that the first two were created by their users and the latter was a technique that had been taught again and again? Then look at Haku. His bloodline was kept hidden, so he obviously received no training for his moves. And Neji, who, being in the Branch Family, was never taught the Kaiten or the Hakke Rokujuuyonshuu, or the like. Yet Haku had to go for Naruto instead of facing Sasuke, because the newly-activated Sharingan made Sasuke too much to handle in a fair fight, and then Naruto ended up raping Haku with sheer strength and speed (which was granted by the Kyuubi, and not "hard-work"; which poses the question of whether or not Naruto is a genius). And Neji was uber-raped by Naruto by the same sheer physical power that felled Haku. It seems to me that the evidence as to who would win isn't based on who created their moves themselves, but who knows how to use them and can use them effectively. In this respect, Itachi's various tricks and skills sorely outmatch Yondaime's single kunai-teleportation trick.

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Teen Goten

Naruto's Training (Kakuzu vs. Izumo & Kotetsu)
Kakuzu
Izumo
Kotetsu

DBAF Killer

[quote user="Ultimatesaiyajin (JC)"][quote user="DBAF Killer"][quote user="Ultimatesaiyajin (JC)"] Try to stick a little bit of the topic in your posts so we don't get busted for spam.

Yeah, Itachi killed his whole clan and mastered his bloodline by attaining Mangekyou- at the age of 13-15. Itachi far surpasses the rank of kage. If I remember correctly, Sarutobi was considered the strongest Kage of his time (not overall, but in comparison to the other Kages, even though he was an old man and was supposed to be retired). Yet Oro is stronger than him, and Itachi is stronger than Oro. Did Itachi create two powerful Jutsus? I don't know if he created them, but I can think of four right off the top of my head: Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Bunshin Bakuha, and the Finger Genjutsu trick (unnamed). A nickname? Uh, no, but what the hell does a nickname matter? Kakashi's dad had a nickname, and the pussy ended up committing suicide. Not only that, but it's likely that Kakashi is actually stronger than his dad. Hell, Kakashi has a nickname, and Itachi easily raped him and could oh-so-easily wipe the floor with him in a one-on-one battle. Would the Rock Ninjas have orders to retreat if he appeared? Probably not. But then, Yondaime had a reputation. He was the freaking Hokage, so naturally he was expected to be strong. That doesn't mean Itachi couldn't rape every single ninja in Iwagakure with one finger. Did Itachi seal the Kyuubi? Obvious "no"- the Kyuubi's already sealed. :P Well, Itachi was sent to capture the Jinchuuriki of the Kyuubi, so it's likely that he was pretty damn strong because he was sent after the strongest Bijuu. Also, just because Yondaime knew a sealing technique doesn't mean he's stronger than Itachi. No other skills? Itachi had the best grades in his classes at the Academy, activated his Sharingan at age 6, became a Chuunin at age 8, and became an ANBU squad leader- a frikin' SQUAD LEADER -at age 13. Not to mention his Taijutsu alone surpasses the Taijutsu of anyone else's seen so far except for Tsunade and MAYBE Gai (with Gates). Not only that, but he also probably has mastery over all of the Katon Ninjutsus. Calling Itachi a bum who has no skills beyond the Mangekyou Sharingan is absurd.

Itachi>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yondaime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>you (as in DBAF Killer; thankyou for turning this into a personal matter, because before, the "you" was just in general >_>)
Damn straight it feels good.

Back to the discussion so that I don't spam and look like a hypocrite:

No, Oro couldn't beat Sasori without Kabuto's help, some antidote, and a very good strategy.
Everyone, stop underestimating Chiyo, because Chiyoba-sama owns you all in the ass.
Being reminded of Sakura's manly strength, I think I'll go find a nice corner to curl up and cry in.
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First of all, the list. Neji is strong, but not stronger than any of the Rookie 9's parents. They have way more experinence and powerful jutsus than Neji does. And Anko should of been place above Shizune since she was train by Orochimaru, who's stronger than Tsunade.
Now, Itachi didn't create those jutsus since he was born with them like every other Uchiha who manage to gain the Mangekyou Sharingan in the past. And that finger jutsu of his is just a plain genjutsu that anyone with good chakra control could do. Secondly, Yondaime wasn't Hokage during Kakashi Gaiden, yet the Rock ninjas would had to retreat from Yondaime as a jounin. Also, don't compare ranks between Yondaime and Itachi. Like Lee said before "There are two kinds of strength. The kind you're born with...and the kind you only get from back-breaking work" (Chap 37). Itachi being in the S-class had to do with being born with a Kekkai Genkai that makes a natural born genuis. Yet Yondaime had to work very hard to earn the rank of Kage. With or without the Sharingan, Itachi would get "rape" by Yondaime with powerful self made jutsus. Yondaime>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ita chi.
And I think you're discussing in the wrong topic. Sasori vs Oro & Kabuto is in the Naruto Matchup subforum.
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...WTF?! Did I my post switch topics, or was I just stupid? My bad...

Look, there's nothing that says that Itachi didn't create those moves. They're not necessarily basic Mangekyou abilities, because the Mangekyou itself isn't basic. There are hardly any who can even attain it, and judging by the fact that Itachi was only interested in Sasuke and killed everyone else, only he, Sasuke, and the third user could attain/had attained it. Which makes it very, very rare. As for the Finger Genjutsu, if it was so simple, why couldn't anyone besides Itachi use it? And Yondaime... Oh yeah, I forgot he wasn't Hokage then... Well, it doesn't matter. If he had a notorious reputation, that still doesn't really mean much. I mean, everyone in East-Freakin'-Korea knew about Kakashi. I suppose that if there were orders to retreat if Yondaime appeared, then he must've been something special, but that's why he became Hokage. The Stone Ninja weren't very strong anyway. They didn't even seem on the same level as the Sound 4, and I'm POSITIVE they would have orders from Orochimaru to retreat if there was news that Itachi was in the area. Well, maybe not, since Oro has a tendency to send his minions to their dooms. As for "two kinds of strength", it's obvious that Itachi isn't just a natural-born genius. I mean, he is, but he seems like he also got his strength by training. And, in case you forgot, Lee hasn't won a single battle against a genius. Only Sasuke, pre-Chuunin Exams. After that, he was ass-raped by Gaara and Kimimaro, and he's never beaten Neji. So that kinda throws a big bucket of "Who cares?" on Lee's "hard work vs. genius" philosophy. Itachi being S-Class had to do with the fact that he was extremely skilled and dangerous even at a young age, and he turned out even more powerful than Orochimaru. Also, just because a Jutsu is self-made doesn't really make it better than other Jutsus. Look at Kakashi's Chidori/Raikiri. Kakashi threatened Oro with the Chidori, and he ended up too scared to even move. Sasuke (who didn't create the Chidori, but was trained by the person that did) used Chidori, and had his wrist caught and broken in one twitch by Itachi. Then, let's look at Shishi Rendan and Uzumaki Rendan in comparison to Omote Renge. Need I really say anything beyond the fact that the first two were created by their users and the latter was a technique that had been taught again and again? Then look at Haku. His bloodline was kept hidden, so he obviously received no training for his moves. And Neji, who, being in the Branch Family, was never taught the Kaiten or the Hakke Rokujuuyonshuu, or the like. Yet Haku had to go for Naruto instead of facing Sasuke, because the newly-activated Sharingan made Sasuke too much to handle in a fair fight, and then Naruto ended up raping Haku with sheer strength and speed (which was granted by the Kyuubi, and not "hard-work"; which poses the question of whether or not Naruto is a genius). And Neji was uber-raped by Naruto by the same sheer physical power that felled Haku. It seems to me that the evidence as to who would win isn't based on who created their moves themselves, but who knows how to use them and can use them effectively. In this respect, Itachi's various tricks and skills sorely outmatch Yondaime's single kunai-teleportation trick.
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Oh please, Itachi use those various tricks and skills to avoid fighting a losing battle. For example, Itachi distract Jiraiya with that girl because he knew that Kisame and himself would get their ass whip by Jiraiya. Since Itachi was afraid of facing Jiraiya in combat, Yondaime outmatch Itachi.