Zer0

Time-skip. Shikamaru is given the same amount of prep time he had for Hidan and has full knowledge of Kakashi's abilities. Kakashi is not expecting the fight.

Well?

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Baylavim

At the risk of sounding ignorant, I'm going to say Shikamaru, because if Shikamaru had both prep time and full knowledge of his opponent's abilities, he could probably take down just about anyone.

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Kurushimi

Yes, you do sound ignorant. =/

I happen to agree, actually. Shikamaru would win this fight.

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Baylavim

Shikamaru says he always stays like, 4 steps ahead of his opponent. This becomes more difficult to do if your opponent pulls something unexpected out of the bag, obviously. But if Shikamaru knows exactly what his opponent is capable of, and has preparation time, there's essentially no stopping him. He'd devise a brilliant plan and Kakashi would be helpless, pretty much.

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Raven

Uh...Kakashi is great at thinking on his feet...he is the type of ninja that could devise an effective counter in not too long of a period. Not only that but he has far more chakra and devastating abilities than Shikamaru, not to mention Mangekyou Sharingan and Raikiri (advanced Chidori). Shikamaru has just about as much intelligence but not nearly as much experience as Kakashi. That inexperience will automatically give Kakashi an edge. He's a master of substitution, illusions, and other abilities related to the Sharingan as he's mastered it quite well. I don't think Shikamaru could take down anyone with Sharingan because there is a huge gap in abilities and chakra. Not only that but Sharingan users usually are born to be strategic geniuses. =/

I'm not saying Shikamaru couldn't devise a plan that would stop Kakashi at all, what I'm saying is that Kakashi is smart and experienced enough to counter it just as fast. Because their intelligence level rivals each others', it's kind of to be expected though.

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Kurushimi

The problem there is Shikamaru is given full knowledge of Kakashi's abilities. A HUGE advantage, especially for somone like Shikamaru.

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Baylavim

Shikamaru would know exactly what Kakashi was capable of, and devise a plan accordingly. In the given scenario, Shikamaru knows all about Kakashi's techniques, his Sharingan, et cetera, and was given preparation time.

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Raven

Just because he has the knowledge doesn't mean he could do it by himself. I mean look at the fact that Shikamaru always runs low on steam early...I have no doubt he'd have a great plan, but actually going through with it is another thing. Kakashi is both faster, stronger, and has far more techniques. I still think Kakashi would own him but I'll leave it at that. I mean let's say we exchange Kakashi for Shikamaru in the vs. Hidan and Kakuzu arc. How would Shikamaru have faired against Kakuzu with knowing all of his abilities? How would Kakashi fair against Hidan?

Chiyo had knowledge of how to defeat Sasori and knew about all of his abilities, yet she could do nothing by herself. She had to use Sakura for close range attacks, and if Sakura was not there Chiyo would have gotten beaten to a pulp.

I mean we can even go as far as to think up ideas of how Shikamaru could use defense to disable Kakashi's offensive moves. How would he stop the warp technique? How would he counter Raikiri? What would he do against his mastery of substitution and stronghold on taijutsu as well? Let's not forget Shikamaru usually has intelligence over his opponents in general. Now he's facing someone who is on his level plus more experience. I would easily say that Shikamaru would have an easier time with Kabuto over Kakashi even though it was stated that Kabuto is equal to Kakashi.

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Baylavim

@ Shikamaru vs. Kakuzu, Shikamaru having full knowledge of Kakuzu's techniques and preparation time: Shikamaru. I mean, fuck, Kakuzu is strong as hell, but Shikamaru knows absolutely everything he can dish out, and is given all the time in the world to create traps and the like. If you have both of those advantages, you're battle plans are going to be very flexible, as long as you're smart and account for every possible situation--which Shika would more than likely do. And if given the same circumstances as this fight, bam, Shikamaru just jumps out of a bush, and has already set up traps, knows exactly what Kakuzu can do, and has been given the time to create a counter-attack. To be honest, that's a serious fucking advantage.

@ Chiyo: Chiyo wasn't given preperation time or anything, thus your arguement is flawed.

@ But he knows about those things. And was given time to create counter-attacks. If you give Shikamaru (who stays four steps ahead of his opponents at all times, even the ones he's never met or seen before) knowledge of all of his opponents techniques and capabilities, anything and everything they can do (i.e. Kakashi's taijutsu, ninjutsu and genjutsu prowess), preparation time (so he could quite easily construct plans and traps accordingly) and the element of surprise, no matter who he's fighting, the odds are in his favor.

And Kakashi is smart, but not Shikamaru-smart. And experience means pretty much nothing. Kakuzu had a shit load of experience, having fought the freaking Shodai, yet he was offed by Naruto.

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Raven

Lol, that's called fan service Bay... >_>

A lot of super strong Akatski members have been taken down which makes no sense to me after hearing about the circumstances but oh well...sigh.

I agree with most of your points but with the Chiyo example I was trying to implicate that having knowledge of your opponent is good but not always good enough to get you the win. The only other factor would be preparation time but a battle can go many ways at any time it seems. I mean Shikamaru's intelligence never really won him a fight from what I've seen. He fought Temari and gave up after figuring out her fighting style, he was about to get killed by Tatuya (or whatever her name is) then Temari comes to the rescue. He beat that sound ninja but she was incredibly weak. Shikamaru's advantage is definitely his brain but it's better for defensive and counter type attacks. He's lacks offensive jutsus, and for the most part the best defense is a tremendous offense. The more defensive you are, the more limited you are. But I suppose preparation time would enable him to get the offense on par with his defensive capabilities.

That's all I want to say for now.

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king omega

Even if Shikamaru knows all of what Kakashi can he would still lose.

His speed is not match for Kakashi.
He knows that his Taijutsu kinda sucks, compared to Kakashis.

That alone is enough to win.
Once Kakashi gets a good hit or two off Shikamaru is done.

Since Shikamura has no good offesive jutsus to stop Kakashi, there is nothing he could do but stall him.

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ultra_blade

Yeah, Shikamaru is kinda stuffed, Shikamaru would of won that fight if he had more stamina, since he has a lot of advantages and all. Kakashi would be surprised that a Konoha Shinobi would fight him, and would probably fall for Shikamaru's traps, but after a little while Shikamaru would run out of chakra. And also Kakashi knows all about Shikamaru's abilities and would be able to think of a plan on the spot. Also Kakashi has the Sharingan so Shikamaru would have a lot of trouble tricking him, and he has all sorts of Jutsu's so he could attack him from close by or even attack him from range distance.

In the end Kakashi would come out as the victor. =]

EDIT: Just so you know Shikamaru always ends up fighting people dumber than him, the only one that was smart was Temari and we all know how that fight turned out.

Baylavim

You guys are forgetting that Shikamaru fucking knows all this, man. He knows exactly what Kakashi is capable of. And you're saying with an unlimited amount of time to prepare, as well as the element of surprise, Shikamaru couldn't think up a way to counter those abilities?

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Raven

I would agree with you but what does Shikamaru offer that is capable of stopping Kakashi from ripping his head off?

Kakashi would outlast him on chakra alone if they got into a power struggle. The only way to counter a Sharingan is with another eye technique, from what I've seen. Traps are all Shikamaru would really have because he has no impressive ninjutsu that I've seen. That's just my final thought on it though, anything is possible but this is just highly unlikely.

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