|Discuss| Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly - Page 3

**Shirogetsu** · 10-05-2008

We're not talking about opera though, we're talking about Japanese cartoons and comics.

Most Narutu fans just hate the dub because well... they think Japanese is the shit, it brings out so much emotion it makes me weep...!! Only thing that made me weep was overly deep voices and squeaky childish voices. I watch subs myself, however I used to think the Naruto dub was shitty, but really after sitting down and watching it... it was great. I honestly cannot see why Naruto fans complain about it being bad, you've got a perfectly good dub there in your own initial language stop hating on it and actually watch it. If you want a bad dub, fine I'll give it to you:

... Yeah. Naruto dub is really terrible.

**Jehuty** · 10-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Shirogetsu

We're not talking about opera though, we're talking about Japanese cartoons and comics.

Most Narutu fans just hate the dub because well... they think Japanese is the shit, it brings out so much emotion it makes me weep...!! Only thing that made me weep was overly deep voices and squeaky childish voices. I watch subs myself, however I used to think the Naruto dub was shitty, but really after sitting down and watching it... it was great. I honestly cannot see why Naruto fans complain about it being bad, you've got a perfectly good dub there in your own initial language stop hating on it and actually watch it. If you want a bad dub, fine I'll give it to you:

... Yeah. Naruto dub is really terrible.

No, we're not talking about the comics. Just the cartoon. We're talking about aural information. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

**Shirogetsu** · 10-05-2008

That whole post was about the Japanese cartoon though and in relation to how "bad" the dub is, what are you talking about?

**Jehuty** · 10-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Shirogetsu

That whole post was about the Japanese cartoon though and in relation to how "bad" the dub is, what are you talking about?

I'm talking about how if one thing sounds tolerable and the other makes me want to pull a Van Gogh on both sides, then there's an obvious choice. It's not about "understanding."

Believe it.

**Shirogetsu** · 10-05-2008

So explain to me, Jehuty, I'm willing to listen to why you hate the dub exactly, I would like to know. I already full well know it's all down to "opinion" but a lot of you completely disregard the dub completely and flat out insult it. When the men and woman of the Naruto dub generally put work and effort into it, I won't deny early on the dub is pretty shitty, but it's still going strong at what like... 170 episodes? The voice actors have become accustom to their roles and the dub right now is great.

One of the reasons I am doing all of this is become I hate ignorant sub-purists [Not branding anyone by that] It's how you all come off to me. You should be tolerant to more things.

[Holyshit, I'm actually serious about this now.]

**Jehuty** · 10-05-2008

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Originally Posted by Shirogetsu

So explain to me, Jehuty, I'm willing to listen to why you hate the dub exactly, I would like to know. I already full well know it's all down to "opinion" but a lot of you completely disregard the dub completely and flat out insult it. When the men and woman of the Naruto dub generally put work and effort into it, I won't deny early on the dub is pretty shitty, but it's still going strong at what like... 170 episodes? The voice actors have become accustom to their roles and the dub right now is great.

One of the reasons I am doing all of this is become I hate ignorant sub-purists [Not branding anyone by that] It's how you all come off to me. You should be tolerant to more things.

[Holyshit, I'm actually serious about this now.]

You know what dub I love? Gundam Wing. Glorious. Sure, Heero could sound like John Wayne at times, but overall I fucking loved every single episode.

Naruto is nothing like that. Most characters are lackluster, they butcher the Japanese words (Which I wouldn't mind if they weren't trying so hard, but obviously they are), and as someone who's taking Japanese in his fifth year now, for me it just gets intolerable.

One can only hear Shadow Clone Jew-tsew and Ruhsengan so many times before snapping.

Some voices are just terrible chosen, like Shino. You wouldn't think it'd bother me so much, but hearing such an ill-fitting voice on a character I like makes me rage. I raged when they got a terrible voice actor for Deadpool in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance. I rage every time I try to watch Tobey Maguire pretend he can act like Peter Parker.

There's a reason Kajetokun's (Youtube account owner of the videos OVER 9000, Ninja Info Cards, and the rest) videos are so popular. Really strips away everything to show you how terrible some of this crap is/was. Sure, you can still like some of it (Always have a spot in my heart for DBZ dub), but it gets to a point where it actually hurts.

Sometimes, it's not their fault. Sometimes, they just have to match the mouthflaps and it gets difficult to coordinate. Doesn't mean I enjoy it any more. But if you're going to do your best to not ruin the mouth coordination, at least stretch things out instead of incorporating annoying catchphrases. That just detracts from whatever effect you're trying to deliver.

Believe it.

bean · 10-05-2008

for me, it's because the voices don't match the characters. It could be because I started off by watching the subbed version first, but still, the voices don't match. That and how they use japanese accents on japanese words used in the dub. It sounds retarded.

**Raven** · 10-07-2008

Meh, as far as I'm concerned it's what your accustomed to. I tried watching Naruto in Japanese and didn't like it, it's obvious that the "quality" of the voices isn't all that is at stakes here.

I view it on a non-biased level and I will admit, some characters aren't that good but then some are great. I'm also an open minded individual and capable of enjoying both the English and Japanese versions as well.

Naruto was annoying as crap in the beginning, he's good now.

Same with Sasuke, Gaara, Orochimaru, and Kakashi.

I'm on the neutral with Sakura and a few other characters. To be honest some anime movies I love the Japanese voice acting, so something like "I'm a sub hater" could never be used against me.

I love quality and Naruto isn't the worst thing in the world, I will agree with Shiro on his points about that.

I dislike reading animation, the whole point ot animation is to watch and hear it. It's alive, it's effervescent, if you want to read go pick up a comic. To me animation was meant to be heard and watched, like I care about reading animation...

bean · 10-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Raven

Meh, as far as I'm concerned it's what your accustomed to. I tried watching Naruto in Japanese and didn't like it, it's obvious that the "quality" of the voices isn't all that is at stakes here.

I view it on a non-biased level and I will admit, some characters aren't that good but then some are great. I'm also an open minded individual and capable of enjoying both the English and Japanese versions as well.

Naruto was annoying as crap in the beginning, he's good now.

Same with Sasuke, Gaara, Orochimaru, and Kakashi.

I'm on the neutral with Sakura and a few other characters. To be honest some anime movies I love the Japanese voice acting, so something like "I'm a sub hater" could never be used against me.

I love quality and Naruto isn't the worst thing in the world, I will agree with Shiro on his points about that.

I dislike reading animation, the whole point ot animation is to watch and hear it. It's alive, it's effervescent, if you want to read go pick up a comic. To me animation was meant to be heard and watched, like I care about reading animation...

i've never had a problem reading and watching the anime...

**Raven** · 10-07-2008

Animation was not meant to be read, it's not a book. It was meant to be seen and heard. Thus why we have animated characters with VOICES and shiny eye candy throughout the journey, that's the core of animation. Let me tell you, taking something like vocals and musicals away from animation is futile as that would just make it quite meager.

I'm willing to listen to anime, that's what I did for Tokyo Godfathers but there is a clear line between what I can tolerate and what I feel it was intended for. A good dub goes a long way, especially because you can connect more so with the characters. I can't connect all that well with them sometimes but again this is what you are accustomed to. I watched Full Metal Panic in its sub format and I loved it, connected with it as well.

Some will argue that the origins are superior (and they are for the most part) but the fact that other language speaking people would like to listen to their animation should never be negated, it needs to be embraced.

bean · 10-07-2008

a foreign film/animation isn't meant to be heard in a different language, that's why we get subs. Dubs are almost 100% horrible, and that applies to anything that is dubbed. Take your favorite movie and imagine some no name nobodies dubbed over the original voices, that movie would instantly become shit, and that's with the benefit of synced voices to the lips. Are they wrong? no, not at all, they broaden the audience base. Are they horrible? completely. And animation isn't created to be seen and heard, it's created to be experienced, like any medium, which a subbed (and a dubbed) version is. The argument that you can't enjoy it because you can't read and watch at the same time is bullshit. That's more your problem than it is the anime's. Hearing the show in the original language and reading it in your language takes nothing away from it, and if it does, it doesn't ruin it as much as hearing mismatched voices and butchered foreign words.

**Jehuty** · 10-07-2008

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Originally Posted by Raven

Animation was not meant to be read, it's not a book. It was meant to be seen and heard. Thus why we have animated characters with VOICES and shiny eye candy throughout the journey, that's the core of animation. Let me tell you, taking something like vocals and musicals away from animation is futile as that would just make it quite meager.

I'm willing to listen to anime, that's what I did for Tokyo Godfathers but there is a clear line between what I can tolerate and what I feel it was intended for. A good dub goes a long way, especially because you can connect more so with the characters. I can't connect all that well with them sometimes but again this is what you are accustomed to. I watched Full Metal Panic in its sub format and I loved it, connected with it as well.

Some will argue that the origins are superior (and they are for the most part) but the fact that other language speaking people would like to listen to their animation should never be negated, it needs to be embraced.

Opera was meant to be listened to as well. But if you think Britney Spears or someone is superior to the best of Pavarotti just because it's in Italian, you've got another thing coming.

**Raven** · 10-07-2008

I don't know crap about Brittney Spears so I won't comment on that, lol.

My point is that some prefer it one way and others prefer it another.

People wanting to watch and enjoy their anime is far more natural than people wanting to read it, at least to me it is. Besides that, nothing is ever all. There are just as many good dubs as there are bad, I've seen them myself so no one is going to tell me otherwise because I've experienced many series.

Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell are excellent examples of what I'm talking about. You can read your animation as much as you want, but negating the fact that people want to hear their animation is futile as it's natural.

You don't grasp the full extent of it if you can't hear it in a way that's understandable...you know Japanese. I don't even know why you're trying to argue with me over subs and dub...?

bean · 10-08-2008

who says we're not watching it while we're reading it? it's as easy as walking while chewing gum. And we're not "negating the fact" that people want to hear dubs, we're saying those dubs suck. And yes, I believe we do "grasp the full extent of it" even if we're not hearing it in our own language. I don't get what you're trying to say by that, that we're missing something because we're not hearing it in english.

View Poll Results: The Naruto Dub is
Horrible. Nothing works. Kill it with fire.	6	27.27%
Its decent. Not excellent, but there aren't any real problems.	14	63.64%
Perfect. All of the voices match and know what they're doing.	2	9.09%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

10-05-2008	#31 (permalink)
Shirogetsu GALLY, FUCK YEAH Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Land of Rain Posts: 8,663 Blog Entries: 13 Rep Power: 139	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly We're not talking about opera though, we're talking about Japanese cartoons and comics. Most Narutu fans just hate the dub because well... they think Japanese is the shit, it brings out so much emotion it makes me weep...!! Only thing that made me weep was overly deep voices and squeaky childish voices. I watch subs myself, however I used to think the Naruto dub was shitty, but really after sitting down and watching it... it was great. I honestly cannot see why Naruto fans complain about it being bad, you've got a perfectly good dub there in your own initial language stop hating on it and actually watch it. If you want a bad dub, fine I'll give it to you: ... Yeah. Naruto dub is really terrible. __________________ NO WAI Turoru no Hibi is coming, you'll see.

10-05-2008	#33 (permalink)
Shirogetsu GALLY, FUCK YEAH Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Land of Rain Posts: 8,663 Blog Entries: 13 Rep Power: 139	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly That whole post was about the Japanese cartoon though and in relation to how "bad" the dub is, what are you talking about? __________________ NO WAI Turoru no Hibi is coming, you'll see.

10-05-2008	#35 (permalink)
Shirogetsu GALLY, FUCK YEAH Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Land of Rain Posts: 8,663 Blog Entries: 13 Rep Power: 139	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly So explain to me, Jehuty, I'm willing to listen to why you hate the dub exactly, I would like to know. I already full well know it's all down to "opinion" but a lot of you completely disregard the dub completely and flat out insult it. When the men and woman of the Naruto dub generally put work and effort into it, I won't deny early on the dub is pretty shitty, but it's still going strong at what like... 170 episodes? The voice actors have become accustom to their roles and the dub right now is great. One of the reasons I am doing all of this is become I hate ignorant sub-purists [Not branding anyone by that] It's how you all come off to me. You should be tolerant to more things. [Holyshit, I'm actually serious about this now.] __________________ NO WAI Turoru no Hibi is coming, you'll see.

10-05-2008	#37 (permalink)
bean (8) Saiyan Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 94 Rep Power: 2	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly for me, it's because the voices don't match the characters. It could be because I started off by watching the subbed version first, but still, the voices don't match. That and how they use japanese accents on japanese words used in the dub. It sounds retarded.

10-07-2008	#38 (permalink)
Raven Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,856 Rep Power: 27	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Meh, as far as I'm concerned it's what your accustomed to. I tried watching Naruto in Japanese and didn't like it, it's obvious that the "quality" of the voices isn't all that is at stakes here. I view it on a non-biased level and I will admit, some characters aren't that good but then some are great. I'm also an open minded individual and capable of enjoying both the English and Japanese versions as well. Naruto was annoying as crap in the beginning, he's good now. Same with Sasuke, Gaara, Orochimaru, and Kakashi. I'm on the neutral with Sakura and a few other characters. To be honest some anime movies I love the Japanese voice acting, so something like "I'm a sub hater" could never be used against me. I love quality and Naruto isn't the worst thing in the world, I will agree with Shiro on his points about that. I dislike reading animation, the whole point ot animation is to watch and hear it. It's alive, it's effervescent, if you want to read go pick up a comic. To me animation was meant to be heard and watched, like I care about reading animation... __________________ Favorite Quotes: "Everyone dies, it's a natural part of life. But if your life has no meaning you're already dead." -Wolf's Rain, Kiba "Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost." -Fullmetal Alchemist, Alphonse Elric "It's not what folks say...it's what you answer to." -Madea Movie, Madea "Deploying resilience is more important than being a prodigy." -Life, Me

10-07-2008	#40 (permalink)
Raven Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,856 Rep Power: 27	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly Animation was not meant to be read, it's not a book. It was meant to be seen and heard. Thus why we have animated characters with VOICES and shiny eye candy throughout the journey, that's the core of animation. Let me tell you, taking something like vocals and musicals away from animation is futile as that would just make it quite meager. I'm willing to listen to anime, that's what I did for Tokyo Godfathers but there is a clear line between what I can tolerate and what I feel it was intended for. A good dub goes a long way, especially because you can connect more so with the characters. I can't connect all that well with them sometimes but again this is what you are accustomed to. I watched Full Metal Panic in its sub format and I loved it, connected with it as well. Some will argue that the origins are superior (and they are for the most part) but the fact that other language speaking people would like to listen to their animation should never be negated, it needs to be embraced. __________________ Favorite Quotes: "Everyone dies, it's a natural part of life. But if your life has no meaning you're already dead." -Wolf's Rain, Kiba "Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost." -Fullmetal Alchemist, Alphonse Elric "It's not what folks say...it's what you answer to." -Madea Movie, Madea "Deploying resilience is more important than being a prodigy." -Life, Me

10-07-2008	#41 (permalink)
bean (8) Saiyan Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 94 Rep Power: 2	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly a foreign film/animation isn't meant to be heard in a different language, that's why we get subs. Dubs are almost 100% horrible, and that applies to anything that is dubbed. Take your favorite movie and imagine some no name nobodies dubbed over the original voices, that movie would instantly become shit, and that's with the benefit of synced voices to the lips. Are they wrong? no, not at all, they broaden the audience base. Are they horrible? completely. And animation isn't created to be seen and heard, it's created to be experienced, like any medium, which a subbed (and a dubbed) version is. The argument that you can't enjoy it because you can't read and watch at the same time is bullshit. That's more your problem than it is the anime's. Hearing the show in the original language and reading it in your language takes nothing away from it, and if it does, it doesn't ruin it as much as hearing mismatched voices and butchered foreign words.

10-07-2008	#43 (permalink)
Raven Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 4,856 Rep Power: 27	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly I don't know crap about Brittney Spears so I won't comment on that, lol. My point is that some prefer it one way and others prefer it another. People wanting to watch and enjoy their anime is far more natural than people wanting to read it, at least to me it is. Besides that, nothing is ever all. There are just as many good dubs as there are bad, I've seen them myself so no one is going to tell me otherwise because I've experienced many series. Cowboy Bebop and Ghost in the Shell are excellent examples of what I'm talking about. You can read your animation as much as you want, but negating the fact that people want to hear their animation is futile as it's natural. You don't grasp the full extent of it if you can't hear it in a way that's understandable...you know Japanese. I don't even know why you're trying to argue with me over subs and dub...? __________________ Favorite Quotes: "Everyone dies, it's a natural part of life. But if your life has no meaning you're already dead." -Wolf's Rain, Kiba "Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost." -Fullmetal Alchemist, Alphonse Elric "It's not what folks say...it's what you answer to." -Madea Movie, Madea "Deploying resilience is more important than being a prodigy." -Life, Me

10-08-2008	#44 (permalink)
bean (8) Saiyan Warrior Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 94 Rep Power: 2	Re: Weekly Debate - Naruto Dub: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly who says we're not watching it while we're reading it? it's as easy as walking while chewing gum. And we're not "negating the fact" that people want to hear dubs, we're saying those dubs suck. And yes, I believe we do "grasp the full extent of it" even if we're not hearing it in our own language. I don't get what you're trying to say by that, that we're missing something because we're not hearing it in english.

10-08-2008	#45 (permalink)
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