Truepotential

Yes, Pein did defeat Jiraiya, however that's his best feat, and he had huge difficulty doing so. Personally, I'd say Itachi, Deidara, and Sasori can defeat Jiraiya as well.

There's no reason to think an ordinary Akatsuki member is more powerful than Pein.

Jehuty

Eh. Kakuzu seemed to drop the whole earning money thing, something effing amazing, when Pain called. Plus, Pain devastated Hanzou, which apparently is incredible. People call him a "God," he's never lost... managed to survive in that hellhole of a village for a while.

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Truepotential

Lol Fodder called him god, nothing too impressive, we don't know the conditions of him defeating Hanzou. Remember, Hanzou wasn't the same shinobi who solo'd the future Sannin, he's grown old. Also, for we know, Pein could've ambushed him, when he was sick or in near death.

WombatKombat

Hell, I think that Kakuzu could've killed Sennin Moodo Jiraiya, nothing but a damn strong Raiton ( Something on the level of Raikiri or Kirin ) is going through that Kurogone Karada of his. Jiraiya's the one who's overhyped and all.

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Jehuty

You think age stops a shinobi? Sandaime took out both prior Hokages and nearly caught Orochimaru after all of that.

Ultimate Rasengan? Superior to Raikiri, in any event. Plus, Jiraiya's speed could easily outmatch Kakuzu.

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Truepotential

Wasn't it made clear that Sandaime was much weaker due to his old age and one of the reasons why Sandaime Prime is so hyped.., my other point still stands, we don't know the conditions of how Pein defeated Hanzou, it could be the cheapest conditions in mankind.

Kakuzu humiliated Hatake Kakashi in speed, I'd say that's about as impressive as any of Jiraiya's speed feats.

Jehuty

Yeah, but Sandaime STILL wasn't a pushover, still capable of taking on two hokage in their prime. And if Hanzou, even at that age, was a ninja who could be taken down that easily by surprise, then fuck it, the Sannin were pitifiul if they couldn't beat him.

Jiraiya's speed in Sage mode far exceed's Kakashi's. Senjutsu is extremely powerful.

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Truepotential

I was aware that the Edo tensei'd zombies weren't as powerful as the original Hokages. My point is there should be a tremendous difference between Prime Hanzou and Old Hanzou.The future Sannin were probably nowhere as as powerful as the current Sannin, also Hanzou could've been sick or Pein could've secretly had help nobody knew about, we don't know the conditions of the battle.

Also, for the speed feat, I was talking about Base Jiraiya. I don't think Jiraiya can reach Sennin Modo against Kakuzu. He's just too damn strong. Anyways this isn't the topic to discuss Kakuzu Vs Jiraiya either, make a thread if you wish to debate about it.

Jehuty

Barrier Jutsu, same as Pain. Pain goes above Kakuzu because even if all five of his hearts were shooting off extremely high elemental jutsu at once...

... The sixth body would still be there to ruin his shit. And the absorbing body wouldn't even be effective.

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NarutoFan

Stop this "could've" and "could've been" nonsense, please. Do not attempt to bypass stated facts for your own benefit. Any statements made in the manga, unless contradicted, are fact. It's stated Pein killed Hanzou and destoryed Amagakure single handely, unless those claim are proven to false, they are reverred as facts. You can't challenge statements if they've never been contradicted, or implied to be false. Learn how to debate.

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Truepotential

I never stated that Pein didn't defeat Hanzou and defeat Amagakure, you're making no sense, but do we know the conditions in which Pein defeated them in? No.

Also, a random fodder shinobi was making those statements about Pein, you think he would know every little detail about the fight with Hanzou? Is there proof that he witnessed the fight? Not every statement made by shinobi is 100% true.

NarutoFan

I never said you made such claims, thus leading me to question your reading comprehension. You attempt to argue the circumstances of which Pein killed Hanzou, but with what? You have nothing to base your speculation on, has there been anything in the manga to prove the so called fooder ninja's statements otherwise? What help did Pein receive? You see, this is the general rule when discussing manga, statements made by characters are reverred as facts, unless they are later proven or highly implied to be false. It's stated Pein killed Hanzou, his parents, his wife, his children, and all of his relatives himself. This is stated, but hey, maybe Pein just watched and Konan actually killed them. They people of Amagakure know nothing of Pein, so what help could he possibly have had from them? The Akatsuki? It was never stated they did, making it baseless speculation.

Stick to facts when debating.

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Rudol_Ichiga

Okay, I'm lost. Where did Sennin Mode Jiraiya show incredible high speed feats?
Just asking..

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Boss498

Itachi refused to battle Jiraya because he beleaved that he and Kisame together would not be able to face him without sustaning severe injuries or maybe even death. And Pain killed Jiraya without straining himself to much, sure he had to revive three bodies but after that he killed Jiraya and lost one body that he replaced easily.

Rudol_Ichiga

Itachi statement was a lie because he didn't want to start a war. Kisame could solo Jiraiya if he wanted. And you didn't answer my question.

Anyways, welcome to the forums.

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