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I'm also going by general fan's on the net, it seems as though Itachi, Deidera and Tobi are seem more popular. Sure you have Naruto, sasuke and sakura as the series starts, but they get replaced as the series goes on...

Also, the other Akatsuki members were killed off before really doing much. Sasori wasn't around for much, the two immortals didn't really achieve much at all...
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"Popular" and "cool" aren't...exactly the same thing. More people can agree on something than on something else, but that's just...how do you say?..."popular". Now, Deidara's 3rd in that poll, only a stone's throw from Sasuke. So it's not like Sasuke is more popular by a landslide. But as far as coolness goes...what has Sasuke shown? A few Chidori tricks? Deidara's skills are geniunely awesome. I mean, for Christ's sake, he strategies and Houdini escapes are as good as or better than Sasuke's. Blows himself up in a suicidal attempt to kill Team Gai and Team Kakashi. Dead? No. It was a clone, and he hid underground. Pinned to C2 Dragon with shuriken as it crashes and detonates. Dead? No. Escapes by pulling the shuriken out with his feet. Chidori'd through the chest. Dead? No. Another clone, while Deidara pops out of his clay bird from below and engulfs Sasuke in C4. He pulls off this shit that any other bad guy would probably end up falling victim to in an embarrassing Kakuzu-esque way. Now, you can say Sasuke done some impressive escapes too, but he's a main character. OF COURSE HE ISN'T GOING TO DIE. Deidara doesn't have that going for him. He's just. Fucking. Cool.

And, again, he can blow up entire villages with nuke-sized bombs. Sasuke's got NOTHIN' on that.
Are you questioning the Japanese fans on who they think is cooler/popular? Just face it, Sasuke is cooler than Deidara. If you have a problem with that, then take it up with Japanese fans.

True, Sasuke can't blow up entire villages with nuke-sized clay explosives. But, he can defeat 1000+ ninjas myself, kill one of the legendary sannin, scare the hell out of 2 psychopath killers (Suigetsu & Juugo) & disable Deidara's explosive clay with his raiton jutsu. Deidara definitely got NOTHIN' on that.

Oh, and by the way. Sasuke > Deidara > Orochimaru > Sasori.
The Japanese fans PREFER Sasuke. That just means more of them like him. Deidara's still cooler, if you look at the stuff I pointed out.

As for Sasuke's "achievements"...

1. Those ninjas probably weren't any stronger than Mizuki on average. Kimimaro probably could've done the same thing with only slightly more effort put forth.

2. Orochimaru was in a weakened state, AND he was pulling his punches to try not to kill Sasuke.

3. Suigetsu and Juugo don't seem very strong. Probably Kakashi/Gai-level at best. After all, Juugo had been kept in check by Kimimaro, who we all know is nothing special, and Suigetsu sorta shit himself when he saw Juugo go Cursed Seal.

4. Just an elemental advantage. Hardly an achievement on Sasuke's part.

Deidara has plenty on that:

1. He infiltrated Suna ALONE, defeated/captured their Kazekage (Gaara, who was, *gasp*, a main character) with a genius strategy, despite the latter having a few major advantages.

2. Has survived numerous close-calls, as I stated previously.

3. CAN FREAKING NUKE VILLAGES.

4. Can create microscopic bombs that do damage on a cellular level.

5. HAS DEVELOPED HIS LEFT EYE TO COUNTER SHARINGAN GENJUTSU, a thing that's been unheard of in all of the Naruto series. For anyone else, looking a Sharingan user in the eyes means death. Deidara's the only non-Uchiha who can tackle the Sharingan's illusionary powers and fend them off.

Face it, Deidara is WAY cooler.

Oh, "and by the way", Sasori>Deidara=Sasuke>Orochimaru, as I JUST PROVED. That's right. PROVED. Unless you can prove me wrong, eat it. Eat it and like it.
Since "Naruto" is an manga for teenagers, "popular" & "cool" are use in their slang terms. Therefore, popular=cool, which means Sasuke is cooler than Deidara. Nuff said about that.

Now about who's stronger between Deidara & Sasori. You have to consider these 2 things when Deidara made his statement about who's stronger between him & Sasori.

1) Deidara ran out of explosives since he was unprepared.

2) Deidara had to endure the pain of his left arm that was torn by Gaara without any medical treatment for 3 days & 3 nights while concentrating his chakra on sealing the Shukaku.

When Deidara stated that Sasori was stronger than him, he really meant that Sasori was stronger than him at the moment. Remember, Sasori wasn't greatly injure or unprepared before Deidara made his statement. Now if you add the 6 months that leads into the "Current arc", Deidara would be far stronger than Sasori now because of recent development of "the new gen surpassing the old gen". Therefore, Deidara is stronger one between the 2 of them.

Sasuke > Deidara > Sasori
The "slang" doesn't apply to the term "popular vote", in a "popularity poll". That just means more people like him. And, again, considering the difference isn't massive, and considering I'm always right (=/), Sasuke being more popular doesn't mean jack-squat. It just means there's more Narutard Sasuke fanboys like you out there than there are people like me, who see geniune "artistic" quality. Bow to my awesome judgment.

Okay, that's just ridiculous. Deidara said "Sasori no Dana is stronger than me", not "I'm weaker than Sasori no Dana at the moment". Sasori was stronger than Deidara. Period. And he still is. Period. Even with C4, Sandaime Kazekage would probably be enough to kill Deidara. After all, Sasori can fly too, so Deidara doesn't have that advantage. Sasori can also switch bodies, and I'd bet that at least ONE of his puppets has a Raiton affinity. And, knowing Sasori, he'd probably have Deidara's bombs figured out and pull off a Sasuke bomb-defusion. And come on, Deidara could barely avoid Gaara's sand. There's no way he'd be able to dodge the Satetsu, let alone the rest of Sasori's arsenal if Sasori gets serious and pulls out everything at once. And...yeah, Sasori's faster. And then there's the poison. Always with the poison. So don't bullshit me with C4. It's basically the same damned thing as poison, but Sasori's faster, stronger, and has a lot more crap to throw out than Deidara. Deidara may have improved, but he's still far from being better than his old "Master". Which, by the way, is something else: HE CALLED SASORI "MASTER" ("Sasori no Dana"). He deferred to Sasori as the superior shinobi, and it was Sasori who was constantly lashing out at HIM when angry, not the other way around.

And don't give me this "new gen-old gen" bullshit either. That's not an absolute rule. Tsunade can still beat the hell out of Sakura anyday, Kakashi isn't quite as good as his dad (who was stated to be on par with the Sannin), Yamato is no Shodaime, and I really don't have the time to go through the damn list. Point is, it's about skill, not age.

Sasori>Deidara=Sasuke>Orochimaru
Popular=Cool, therefore is Sasuke is cooler/popular than Deidara.

Deidara is stronger than Sasori. He proves this by capturing Gaara, survivng his encounter with both Team Kakashi & Team Gai with no arms, capturing the Sanbi, taking on Sasuke & develop a way to counter the Sharingan's genjutsu. Sasori isn't Sasuke, he wouldn't be able to counter C4 like Sasuke did since he doesn't have the Sharingan. Sasori would be dead once C4 microbombs enter his body. Deidara was the strongest between the 2 of them. Sasori's purpose was to hype up Sakura's character that's all.

Sasuke > Deidara > Orochimaru > Sasori
Again, "popular" and "cool" are two different things. Now you're just mindlessly disagreeing with me.

Sasori could've captured Gaara with little effort. He has the frickin' Sandaime Kazekage, who was stronger than Gaara and has basically the same moveset. Plus all of his other shit. Deidara didn't beat Team Gai and Team Kakashi, he just escaped with a fake-suicide maneuver. Deidara didn't capture the Sanbi, Tobi did. We see Deidara attack it ONCE, but Tobi claims to be the one to ahve delivered the final blow (this may or may not be true, but it was his assignment so he MUST have done most of the work). Deidara developed his Sharingan counter BEFORE he fought Sasuke, kinda why he covered his left eye with that thing. And anyway, the C4 COULDN'T enter Sasori's body, because, you know what? HE'S A PUPPET. He doesn't breathe. And anyway, he can switch bodies, and again, HE CAN FLY, so he can fly up above the C4 cloud like Deidara does and get out of range, then take Deidara's head off with his poisoned stomach cable or start firing away with his flamethrowers. Or the poison gas. Or the poison needles. Or the Satetsu. Face it, Sasori is still a fair bit stronger.

Sasori>Sasuke=Deidara>Orochimaru
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isnt Sasori a damn puppet btw??? how the hell is he gonna breathe in lil micro C4 bombs??? Deidara "could" possibly make a sneak attack and bomb the hell out of Sasori... but Sasori got all those puppet junk for Deidara to deal with... well... Deidara could possibly dodge all of those puppets anyways... Deidara could win in an open area where he could use his C2 Dragon... but Sasori is gonna win anyways... especially in an enclosed area...

so: Sasori > Deidara

and that Sasuke and Deidara thing... grr... im so damn tired Sasuke always winning and shit... and how the hell did Naruto defeat damn Kakuza... he is like grr... an Akatsuki member... its like Akatsuki could let anyone in... especially someone shitty like Naruto... Kakuza could have won if it was a 1 vs 1 battle... dammit... Life isnt fair...

without that elemental advantage... Sasuke would have lost... why could they just have no elemental advantages... anyways... Sasuke isnt that all kool... Deidara is always way kooler... He is more skilled and way funner to watch in a battle... cuz he can make hes clay into anything... he's clay can turn to anything he wants too... which is kool... and Sasuke has that damn curse mark and sharingan... Deidara... only has hes clay... and the damn elemental disadvantage aswell... this sux... dont want him to die now!!!
No, Sasori isn't a puppet. He's an hitokugutsu (human puppet). Remember, the only that keeps Sasori alive is his heart. Once the C4 microbombs enter his body through the joints, they will destroy his heart from the inside out, which would be lead to his death.So, Deidara > Sasori
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He IS Hitokugutsu, but it was said that he turned everything EXCEPT his heart artificial. Meaning he doesn't have lungs, meaning he doesn't breathe, meaning he can't take in the C4. Ever noticed that Sasori never panted in any of the panels during his fight?

And, again, he can fly, so he can avoid the C4.

Sasori>Deidara. Stated, proven.
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I think I've never ever read a character poll and was like "Wow, that's exactly what I think and my favourite character made the first place, yey!" My usual reaction goes more like "wtf...why?!".
And thats kinda logical, seeing that the fans who vote for a character in Japan are normally teenage boys and teenage boys just tend to support the main/coolest/strongest character. As in most of the shounen mangas the main male protagonist fits this description,he usually lands the first place.

Now in the case of Naruto, Sasuke is the "coolest" (and frankly most present) character as he is strong as hell, handsome, arrogant, very popular with the girls, an avenger and whatnot. Consequently most male teenagers and the majority of fan-chicks fall and therefore vote for him - predictable. That doesn't make him cool in my eyes but well, seems to be sufficient for Nishimura to further power up the character...

It's kinda sad that right now the Manga is at a point where no character is really ineresting. Deidara will be dead, soon. Itachi was and remains boring, Suigetsu and co are downright shallow, same goes for Sai and the like. Kabuchimaru's just the living proof for Orochimaru's defeat and Naruto, Sakura and gang didn't develop one inch, still out there to get icky Sasuke back. The only hope left is that Tobi's story will kick ass and that AL's identity will make us all gasp in a"omfg I would never ever have expected THAT holy shit, that's awesome Oô" way. But I doubt it.


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Itachi is ANYTHING but boring.

We still haven't seen any of his last-resort major techniques, or any other amazing tricks (besides Utakata, Tsukuyomi, and Amaterasu; Bunshin Bakuha was effing sweet, too, as was Magen: Kyouten Chiten). On top of that...he's an enigma. Why did he kill his own family? How did he discover Mangekyou Sharingan? How is he linked to this mysterious "third user"? What is the Uchiha family secret, and why did Sasuke "get it" when he read that scroll? Why is the Hyuuga clan symbol in that secret room, on the walls with the images of Tengu? JUST HOW EFFING POWERFUL IS ITACHI?!?!?!?!?!

There's so much surrounding Itachi, it's mind-boggling. He is definitely one of, if not the most deep, complex characters in the series. On top of that, he's effing awesome. Single-handedly butchering the strongest clan in Konoha, mastering the Mangekyou Sharingan, raping Orochimaru (a Sannin) at age 13 and scaring him off, being the one person in all of Akatsuki assigned to the FREAKING KYUUBI...

Itachi's so awesome, the name of the series might as well be changed to "Itachi"...
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He IS Hitokugutsu, but it was said that he turned everything EXCEPT his heart artificial. Meaning he doesn't have lungs, meaning he doesn't breathe, meaning he can't take in the C4. Ever noticed that Sasori never panted in any of the panels during his fight?

And, again, he can fly, so he can avoid the C4.

Sasori>Deidara. Stated, proven.
The wind intensity of the explosion would make the C4 microbombs enter Sasori's body. Remember, wind goes through anything.

And, no Sasori can't fly, so he's pretty much screwed.

Deidara (Rescue Gaara arc, if he was prepared) > Sasori > Deidara (Rescue Gaara arc, unprepared)

That was before & this is now

Deidara (Current arc) > Deidara (Rescue Gaara arc, if he was prepared) > Sasori > Deidara (Rescue Gaara, unprepared)
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He really isn't that deep... the guy is just powa hungry (yes, I intentionally spelt it that way). He killed the clan to see how strong he is, he joined up with a group of strong people and fights against the strongest demon's and bounty hunters... nothing much too deep about him.

The only thing mysterious about him is, how are they going to kill him now that they keep raising him to some fucked up god like level. Unless they create mangekyou repelant sunglasses, or fight in complete dark, when they defeat him, it's going to look rediculously pathetic.
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He IS Hitokugutsu, but it was said that he turned everything EXCEPT his heart artificial. Meaning he doesn't have lungs, meaning he doesn't breathe, meaning he can't take in the C4. Ever noticed that Sasori never panted in any of the panels during his fight?

And, again, he can fly, so he can avoid the C4.

Sasori>Deidara. Stated, proven.
The wind intensity of the explosion would make the C4 microbombs enter Sasori's body. Remember, wind goes through anything.

And, no Sasori can't fly, so he's pretty much screwed.

Deidara (Rescue Gaara arc, if he was prepared) > Sasori > Deidara (Rescue Gaara arc, unprepared)

That was before & this is now

Deidara (Current arc) > Deidara (Rescue Gaara arc, if he was prepared) > Sasori > Deidara (Rescue Gaara, unprepared)
What explosion? The bombs don't detonate until they're inside you.

Yes, Sasori can fly. His puppets can fly. Sandaime Kazekage has effing wings. No reason why he couldn't hop on, or lift himself out of harm's way with the Satetsu.

What?! That's bullshit. Deidara said Sasori was stronger. Period. It was as clear and concise a statement as Oro saying Itachi was stronger. And, again, Deidara called him "Master Sasori", and he was Sasori's bitch. Sasori was definitely stronger. And he still is. Sandaime Kazekage plus a hundred puppets plus Hiruko, a low Kage-level puppet, and himself, Sannin level even without other puppets. There's no way Deidara can beat that.

Sasori>Deidara (period).
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So far Itachi's been one of the most boring characters. Why?

1. He next to never talks Oô there's like no reaction, ever.

2. There was not ONE single cool fight with him. He basically just stood around every time. Even the Kakashi-stabbing thing was static.

3. why did he kill the family? I don't give a f*ck. My guess is that it really was for the lolz and ability thing. Woot.

4. Mangekyou Sharingan is overrated. He's going blind, how often will he be able to use it?

5. Why the Hyuuga symbol? The Sharingan derived from Byakugan.

All the rest, yeah mindly interesting but not really linked to Itachi, more to Sasuke, right? Itachi's not important, Sasuke is. Itachi was needed to give Sasuke a direction and the urge to become more powerful. And that's why Itachi needed to be so strong, a weak person wouldn't have done the trick.
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Itachi owns everything by such a massive amount of awesomeness that it's understandable if you can't comprehend it.

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So far Itachi's been one of the most boring characters. Why?

1. He next to never talks Oô there's like no reaction, ever.

2. There was not ONE single cool fight with him. He basically just stood around every time. Even the Kakashi-stabbing thing was static.

3. why did he kill the family? I don't give a f*ck. My guess is that it really was for the lolz and ability thing. Woot.

4. Mangekyou Sharingan is overrated. He's going blind, how often will he be able to use it?

5. Why the Hyuuga symbol? The Sharingan derived from Byakugan.

All the rest, yeah mindly interesting but not really linked to Itachi, more to Sasuke, right? Itachi's not important, Sasuke is. Itachi was needed to give Sasuke a direction and the urge to become more powerful. And that's why Itachi needed to be so strong, a weak person wouldn't have done the trick.
Bullshit.

1. That's because he hasn't found it worth his time. That's how much better he is than everyone else. Although, he reacted quite a damned bit when Kakashi asked him how bad his eyesight had become.

2. That small scene where he ass-raped Sasuke with overwhelming Taijutsu was nice, as was his Sharingan trick in that flashback. Also, his fight with Team Kakashi was cool. Mind-raping Naruto FTW.

3. How can you not give a fuck? It's basically the root of everything in the series. There's no way it was just to test his power. Same thing with leaving Sasuke alive and telling him about Mangekyou Sharingan. I think there's a deeper meaning, and I think that it's possible that the mysterious "third user" is pulling Itachi's strings from the shadows. I personally like the theory that the third user is planning to break a seal that requires the simultaneous use of the three Mangekyou techniques (Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu, Susano'o) to release something/someone. Perhaps a new villain after Akatsuki falls? *gasp* Although, on second thought, when Akatsuki DOES fall, the manga should die (since it would basically be dead anyway).

4. Overrated nothing. Blind or not, having Mangekyou Sharingan instantly makes you better than everyone else.

5. I know that, but what's the deal with having it around the Tengu? What's that mean? And HOW did Sharingan come from Byakugan? My guess is that the Kyuubi has something to do with it. That would explain the Uchiha Katon abilities and the Kyuubi-suppression powers, as well as the Kyuubi itself knowing "a certain 'Uchiha Madara'".

Itachi is WAY more significant than what you're saying. You'll see.
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Old 07-08-2007   #43 (permalink)
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Default Re: Naruto 361 *Spoilers*

Hell yeah, if Naruto says so! Naruto's never been wrong, Itachi must be awesome.





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Oh wait....no. He's still boring.

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Ganishka and Griffith disagree.



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Zetsu definitely DOES need it, but...

Itachi needs it more. Says...me. =/
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