DBAF Killer

The Kyuubi's statement "Eyes with such power & chakra even more sinister than my own" wasn't referring to the MS. It was reffering to no other Uchiha than Sasuke & Madara. It makes more sense that it was trying to say that Sasuke is the reincarnation of Uchiha Madara with the statement "Not at all unlike what I once saw in Uchiha Madara".

JAIF

Why would any of this have anything to do with reincarnation?

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Masked_Felix

I'm really digging this latent Mangekyou idea. It makes pretty good sense to me, anyway. Since the Kyuubi has likely never met Itachi since it was sealed inside Naruto when Itachi was fairly young, younger than eight any way, so if he was anywhere near the battle zone, I doubt that Itachi had enough of a Sharingan (or even at all) to warrant special interest at the time. In fact, I doubt that he was even present at the battle. And since we've never met Madara, it stands as a reasonable theory for the Kyuubi having referred to the Mangekyou since we can only assume the Madara did posses it or had it in a latent form to have chakra sinister enough for the Kyuubi to make the note of it that he did, provided that the Mangekyou, if not the obtaining of it, causes sinister chakra to the extent aforementioned. I'm loving these cool theories They make you wonder. My mind is reeling at all of the possible directions the manga can take. Some of the super weird twists that are floating around up there don't sound half bad at first glance either.
EDIT: My lord...I was in the post a message screen for what looks like almost an hour. Two new posts have already poped up since I entered this screen. I guess I typed more than I thought, only to delete most of it >_<.

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="JAIF"]Why would any of this have anything to do with reincarnation?[/quote]

Ask yourself this, why would the Kyuubi compare Sasuke to this Uchiha Madara precisely? It's all spells out that the Kyuubi was referring Sasuke as Madara's reincarnation. Sasuke wouldn't know that he's an reincarnation just how nobody knows who they were during a past life unless they get an spiritual awakening or something. Hell, didn't Sasuke just reverse Oro's Living Corpse Reincarnation. Maybe the reversal of the jutsu will have side effects like reawaken Madara within Sasuke.

Masked_Felix

[quote user="DBAF Killer"]Ask yourself this, why would the Kyuubi compare Sasuke to this Uchiha Madara precisely?
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Ask yourself this, why does everyone waste their time on giving you thought out answers time after time when you simply disregard (not to be confused with disproove), or out right ignore the (sometimes loads of) proof that they give you only to have you respond with the same mostly baseless BS every time. It's like you've based a good deal of this thing on "because I say so". If your 'proof' was a boat, it would be punched so full of holes right now that you might as well name it the U.S.S. Rock.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]
It's all spells out that the Kyuubi was referring Sasuke as Madara's
reincarnation. Sasuke wouldn't know that he's an reincarnation just how
nobody knows who they were during a past life unless they get an
spiritual awakening or something.
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On a calmer note, I fail to see the connection. I really do. I've tried to look at it from your point of view, but it's just not happening. Is it so uncommon for people of the same clan to be compared? That have the same bloodline? And if Nikushimi's Mangekyou theory turns out to be correct, the same latent advanced level of that bloodline? As for your quote, you're excluding the surrounding text, which Nikushimi has pointed out addresses the Uchiha Kekkei Genkai as a whole. If you're going to keep arguing this theory, give out some more details, or write a short essay if you are able to. If you have a legitimate reason for this thing to be taken seriously and not just to rile people up, it hasn't shown itself yet.

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Nikushimi

[quote user="Masked_Felix"][quote user="DBAF Killer"]Ask yourself this, why would the Kyuubi compare Sasuke to this Uchiha Madara precisely?
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Ask yourself this, why does everyone waste their time on giving you thought out answers time after time when you simply disregard (not to be confused with disproove), or out right ignore the (sometimes loads of) proof that they give you only to have you respond with the same mostly baseless BS every time. It's like you've based a good deal of this thing on "because I say so". If your 'proof' was a boat, it would be punched so full of holes right now that you might as well name it the U.S.S. Rock.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]
It's all spells out that the Kyuubi was referring Sasuke as Madara's
reincarnation. Sasuke wouldn't know that he's an reincarnation just how
nobody knows who they were during a past life unless they get an
spiritual awakening or something.
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On a calmer note, I fail to see the connection. I really do. I've tried to look at it from your point of view, but it's just not happening. Is it so uncommon for people of the same clan to be compared? That have the same bloodline? And if Nikushimi's Mangekyou theory turns out to be correct, the same latent advanced level of that bloodline? As for your quote, you're excluding the surrounding text, which Nikushimi has pointed out addresses the Uchiha Kekkei Genkai as a whole. If you're going to keep arguing this theory, give out some more details, or write a short essay if you are able to. If you have a legitimate reason for this thing to be taken seriously and not just to rile people up, it hasn't shown itself yet.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. XD

Yeah, sorry, DBAF, but just because the Kyuubi compared Sasuke to Madara doesn't mean Sasuke IS Madara. That's such a faint, baseless connection that you might as well say Sasuke is Kakashi's reincarnation since Kakashi said they were a lot alike.
Masked Felix is right, you keep missing what I keep pointing out: the Kyuubi also went on to say that the whole clan/bloodline was cursed, so it's not just Sasuke and Madara that possess this "sinister chakra". I'll be honest: it makes no sense that Sasuke is Madara's reincarnation, and it makes PERFECT sense that the Kyuubi was speaking of latent/active Mangekyou ability.
And Oro's reincarnation Jutsu is WAY different from actual reincarnation.
AND, like I said, the reason the Kyuubi referenced only Madara is because Madara's probably the only Mangekyou user it ever met. I mean, with what we know, there've likely been four recorded Mangekyou users AT THE MOST. One of them is Itachi, who attained Mangekyou AFTER the Kyuubi was sealed. So that means there were three user the Kyuubi could've met, again, AT THE MOST. That's not a lot. The chances of even one of them running into the Kyuubi are slim enough, so it's highly unlikely that the Kyuubi met more than one. And that one was Madara.
Fugaku stated that Mangekyou is a rare form that only some Uchiha can achieve, so few inherit the potential and even less obtain it.
Madara must've had Mangekyou, or he'd have been far too weak for the Kyuubi itself to acknowledge his power. Also, the Kyuubi referred to a "sinister chakra", and what could be a more sinister Uchiha...thing (=/)...than Mangekyou?
Itachi stated that Sasuke had the potential for Mangekyou.
So the "sinister chakra" apparently must lie in Mangekyou inheritors.

There's really nothing that even HINTS at reincarnation. At all. >_>

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="Nikushimi"][quote user="Masked_Felix"][quote user="DBAF Killer"] Ask yourself this, why would the Kyuubi compare Sasuke to this Uchiha Madara precisely?
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Ask yourself this, why does everyone waste their time on giving you thought out answers time after time when you simply disregard (not to be confused with disproove), or out right ignore the (sometimes loads of) proof that they give you only to have you respond with the same mostly baseless BS every time. It's like you've based a good deal of this thing on "because I say so". If your 'proof' was a boat, it would be punched so full of holes right now that you might as well name it the U.S.S. Rock.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]
It's all spells out that the Kyuubi was referring Sasuke as Madara's reincarnation. Sasuke wouldn't know that he's an reincarnation just how nobody knows who they were during a past life unless they get an spiritual awakening or something.
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On a calmer note, I fail to see the connection. I really do. I've tried to look at it from your point of view, but it's just not happening. Is it so uncommon for people of the same clan to be compared? That have the same bloodline? And if Nikushimi's Mangekyou theory turns out to be correct, the same latent advanced level of that bloodline? As for your quote, you're excluding the surrounding text, which Nikushimi has pointed out addresses the Uchiha Kekkei Genkai as a whole. If you're going to keep arguing this theory, give out some more details, or write a short essay if you are able to. If you have a legitimate reason for this thing to be taken seriously and not just to rile people up, it hasn't shown itself yet.
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Couldn't have said it better myself. XD

Yeah, sorry, DBAF, but just because the Kyuubi compared Sasuke to Madara doesn't mean Sasuke IS Madara. That's such a faint, baseless connection that you might as well say Sasuke is Kakashi's reincarnation since Kakashi said they were a lot alike.
Masked Felix is right, you keep missing what I keep pointing out: the Kyuubi also went on to say that the whole clan/bloodline was cursed, so it's not just Sasuke and Madara that possess this "sinister chakra". I'll be honest: it makes no sense that Sasuke is Madara's reincarnation, and it makes PERFECT sense that the Kyuubi was speaking of latent/active Mangekyou ability.
And Oro's reincarnation Jutsu is WAY different from actual reincarnation.
AND, like I said, the reason the Kyuubi referenced only Madara is because Madara's probably the only Mangekyou user it ever met. I mean, with what we know, there've likely been four recorded Mangekyou users AT THE MOST. One of them is Itachi, who attained Mangekyou AFTER the Kyuubi was sealed. So that means there were three user the Kyuubi could've met, again, AT THE MOST. That's not a lot. The chances of even one of them running into the Kyuubi are slim enough, so it's highly unlikely that the Kyuubi met more than one. And that one was Madara.
Fugaku stated that Mangekyou is a rare form that only some Uchiha can achieve, so few inherit the potential and even less obtain it.
Madara must've had Mangekyou, or he'd have been far too weak for the Kyuubi itself to acknowledge his power. Also, the Kyuubi referred to a "sinister chakra", and what could be a more sinister Uchiha...thing (=/)...than Mangekyou?
Itachi stated that Sasuke had the potential for Mangekyou.
So the "sinister chakra" apparently must lie in Mangekyou inheritors.

There's really nothing that even HINTS at reincarnation. At all. >_>
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You weren't reading the Kyuubi's statement properly. When it said "Such would be the power of that accursed Sharingan...and your forsaken ancestry" it was referring to the Uchiha clan. Now when it said "Eyes with such power & chakra even more sinister than my own...not at all unlike what I once saw in a certain Uchiha Madara" it was referring to Sasuke only. Since the Kyuubi been around for a long time, it has encounter many people in the past. If it's comparing Sasuke's eyes & chakra to someone of the past, it's kinda like saying that it met Sasuke in another lifetime.

JAIF

I came to the conclusion that the Mangekyou Sharingan is rather unrelated to all this. Otherwise, Kakashi, who also had the Mangekyou Sharingan, and who knew that the Kyuubi was inside Naruto, could 'see' it and appear in Naruto's mind to suppress its power rather than using those sealing notes. So it is more related to the Uchiha in general than to the Mangekyou Sharingan.

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