JAIF

[quote user="DBAF Killer"]Hey, I'm not the moron who thought that Itachi was the strongest character in the series. Unlike Sasuke, Itachi doesn't have the ability to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra since his Sharingan & chakra isn't similar to that of Uchiha Madara. If Itachi knows how to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra, he would've done so when he first encounter Naruto. [/quote]
Excuse me for not considering a creature that has only appeared in flashbacks and is powerless by itself in Naruto's body right now as a 'character'. Besides, I didn't realize it needed anything above the intelligence of a 3-year old child to understand that I'm excluding the bijuu from my statement. And when Itachi first encountered Naruto, Naruto was so pathetic it only took the Samehada to destroy his chakra. As for Itachi's sharingan and chakra not being similar to Madara's... prove it. Kyuubi spoke of 'sinister' chakra, and Itachi is far more sinister than Sasuke. And the sharingan is the same. If Sasuke is somehow related to Madara, Itachi is as well. To complete the owning process, the Kyuubi spoke generally of the Uchihas. It might be that any sharingan Uchiha has the chakra quality of Madara, however, it is rare for someone to grow as strong and insight-ish as Sasuke and obviously Itachi, hence the Kyuubi's surprise.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]As for Sasuke owning Orochimaru worse than Itachi... it's you who doesn't know what you're talking. If you're telling me that Oro getting his hand cut off out in the open is much worse than Oro getting completely [owned] in his dimension & his body chopped up under his own roof, then you must be stupid.[/quote]
Heh. If Itachi wanted to kill Orochimaru, he could have done it effortlessly. The fact that Itachi somewhy spared his life only proves how pathetic Orochimaru was in comparison to him. If Sasuke hadn't used the Cursed Seal, which is Oro's power btw, he would have died. Like, effortlessly. While Itachi even held back on the Mangekyou... Sasuke (w/o CS) <<< Oro (sick) <<< Oro (healthy) <<< Itachi (w/o Mangekyou) <<< Itachi (with Mangekyou).
Try to prove me wrong.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]And you think the manga sucks now just because Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru, then I guess you'll think that the manga will really suck when Sasuke bust Itachi's a$$. Boy, I can't wait for that to happen so I hear all these hardcore Itachi b*tchin about their boy's lost.[/quote]
When this happens, I'll stop reading the manga and begin a ressurection ritual to bring Itachi back to life. I'll make sure you're one of the first sacrifices.

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Teen Goten

I don't think there's an need for restricting Naruto's Rasen Shuriken since he just have a clone hold it for him. I'll willing to bet that Naruto will be able to throw it once he completes his training.

SS2 Vegeto

[quote user="DBAF Killer"] And you think the manga sucks now just because Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru, then I guess you'll think that the manga will really suck when Sasuke bust Itachi's a$$. Boy, I can't wait for that to happen so I hear all these hardcore Itachi b*tchin about their boy's lost.
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Actually, I do think that offing a major plot influence without warning is indeed quite idiotic. A bad move indisputably...I don't want to put up with another dragonball-esque run-around while we all struggle to follow the plotline as it bounces back and forth from one focus or another, and much less do I look forward to it turning into a dog-eat-dog fight fest where we see major plot influences sacked and rolled into a ditch after they've got the cart moving so the "new guys" can step on their heads on the way up the power tier (with their "omg monster strength increases"), so it can continue to degenerate into a simplistic straight-line mish-mash of "I one upped you one more time than you one upped me". Yes. I quite reasonably have a problem with that nonsense.

As for Sasuke currently being able to make short work of Itachi, merits a chuckle, but no comment.

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Zer0

[quote user="Teen Goten"] I don't think there's an need for restricting Naruto's Rasen Shuriken since he just have a clone hold it for him. I'll willing to bet that Naruto will be able to throw it once he completes his training.
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Yeah he is going to learn how to throw it. When Naruto does he will change the name from Rasen Shuriken to Destructo Disk.

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="JAIF"] [quote user="DBAF Killer"]Hey, I'm not the moron who thought that Itachi was the strongest character in the series. Unlike Sasuke, Itachi doesn't have the ability to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra since his Sharingan & chakra isn't similar to that of Uchiha Madara. If Itachi knows how to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra, he would've done so when he first encounter Naruto. [/quote]
Excuse me for not considering a creature that has only appeared in flashbacks and is powerless by itself in Naruto's body right now as a 'character'. Besides, I didn't realize it needed anything above the intelligence of a 3-year old child to understand that I'm excluding the bijuu from my statement. And when Itachi first encountered Naruto, Naruto was so pathetic it only took the Samehada to destroy his chakra. As for Itachi's sharingan and chakra not being similar to Madara's... prove it. Kyuubi spoke of 'sinister' chakra, and Itachi is far more sinister than Sasuke. And the sharingan is the same. If Sasuke is somehow related to Madara, Itachi is as well. To complete the owning process, the Kyuubi spoke generally of the Uchihas. It might be that any sharingan Uchiha has the chakra quality of Madara, however, it is rare for someone to grow as strong and insight-ish as Sasuke and obviously Itachi, hence the Kyuubi's surprise.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]As for Sasuke owning Orochimaru worse than Itachi... it's you who doesn't know what you're talking. If you're telling me that Oro getting his hand cut off out in the open is much worse than Oro getting completely [owned] in his dimension & his body chopped up under his own roof, then you must be stupid.[/quote]
Heh. If Itachi wanted to kill Orochimaru, he could have done it effortlessly. The fact that Itachi somewhy spared his life only proves how pathetic Orochimaru was in comparison to him. If Sasuke hadn't used the Cursed Seal, which is Oro's power btw, he would have died. Like, effortlessly. While Itachi even held back on the Mangekyou... Sasuke (w/o CS) <<< Oro (sick) <<< Oro (healthy) <<< Itachi (w/o Mangekyou) <<< Itachi (with Mangekyou).
Try to prove me wrong.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]And you think the manga sucks now just because Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru, then I guess you'll think that the manga will really suck when Sasuke bust Itachi's a$$. Boy, I can't wait for that to happen so I hear all these hardcore Itachi b*tchin about their boy's lost.[/quote]
When this happens, I'll stop reading the manga and begin a ressurection ritual to bring Itachi back to life. I'll make sure you're one of the first sacrifices.
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First of all, you should be the one to prove to me that Itachi can suppress the Kyuubi since you're the claiming that he could. And so what if Sasuke use the Cursed Seal's power against Orochimaru. What, is it a penalty for using it? I'll guess you believe that if Itachi didn't use his Sharingan, Orochimaru would've [owned] his a$$ by now. Plus, Orochimaru should've use Sasuke's CS mark as his advantage just he did against Anko during the Chunin Exam arc. So yeah, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru much worse than Itachi did. Finally, if you're stop reading the manga if Itachi get [owned] by Sasuke or any other character, then you're not a true fan of the manga & really pathetic.

JAIF

[quote user="DBAF Killer"] First of all, you should be the one to prove to me that Itachi can suppress the Kyuubi since you're the claiming that he could. [/quote]
I'm throwing evidence in your face, and you're just ignoring it.
First, the Kyuubi stated that Sasuke's chakra level and quality, as well as the insight of his Sharingan resembled that of Madara Uchiha. We know Itachi has more chakra than Sasuke. We know Itachi's Sharingan is better than Sasuke's. And we know Itachi is most likely more sinister than Sasuke.
Second, Itachi and Sasuke are related by blood. If the resemblance to Madara Uchiha is due to relationship, then if Sasuke has it, Itachi does as well.
Try to claim those are wrong, and you'll just prove yourself an idiot. The facts I'm using are:
a) Itachi has more chakra than Sasuke--not clearly stated, however, Itachi can throw a couple of Tsukuyomi's and Amaterasu's with ease out there, he must have an assload of chakra.
b) Itachi is more sinister than Sasuke--Itachi killed his f'ing mother and father for god's sake, Sasuke is a crybaby in front of him even now
c) Itachi's Sharingan is more advanced than Sasuke's--Itachi has Mangekyou. Since he was 13.
d) Itachi and Sasuke are brothers--...
All manga facts.
Disprove it. Using arguments and facts from the manga.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]And so what if Sasuke use the Cursed Seal's power against Orochimaru. What, is it a penalty for using it? [/quote]
No, but the Cursed Seal is something Orochimaru gave Sasuke. Itachi's extra power is the Mangekyou, which is his own power, something he had from birth, developed and mastered. Sasuke's Sharingan wouldn't be enough to beat Orochimaru. It's like trying to tell me that Naruto (pre-timeskip) > Neji/Gaara/Haku, just because he used the Kyuubi's power against them.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]I'll guess you believe that if Itachi didn't use his Sharingan, Orochimaru would've [owned] his a$$ by now. [/quote]
Impossible as it might sound, I do believe that Itachi (13 years old, w/o Sharingan) < Orochimaru. Not drastically though, and besides, Sharingan is Itachi's own power, the kekkei genkai. It was his power that mastered the Sharingan and he is able to use it freely now, without any or nearly without any chakra drain.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]Plus, Orochimaru should've use Sasuke's CS mark as his advantage just he did against Anko during the Chunin Exam arc. So yeah, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru much worse than Itachi did. [/quote]
How does the first relate to the second?
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]Finally, if you're stop reading the manga if Itachi get [owned] by Sasuke or any other character, then you're not a true fan of the manga & really pathetic.[/quote]
-_-
That was a joke.

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Masked_Felix

DBAF Killer, you're the type of guy that would argue with a room full of english professors that a period belongs at the beginning of a sentence until the day you died.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]
Finally, if you're stop reading the manga if Itachi get [owned] by Sasuke or any other character, then you're not a true fan of the manga & really pathetic.
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What's pathetic is your unability to read awnsers to your posted question that you even quote before you ask the question, as well as your extreme overuse of the 'owned' emoticon.

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Nikushimi

[quote user="DBAF Killer"][quote user="Nikushimi"][quote user="DBAF Killer"][quote user="Jammy"][quote user="DBAF Killer"] Sasuke [owned] Orochimaru worser than Itachi did. Sasuke pinned Oro's arms together with his lightining sword, he forced Oro to reveal his true form, he chopped up Oro's body & destroyed Oro's dimension with his own will.
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After saying all that don't forget that Orochimaru was at his worst possible stage when Sasuke fought him. He was sick, he was dying, he was weak. During his fight with Itachi, he was at peak i guess and Itachi owned him.
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So what if Oro's condition was bad, he should have won no matter what condition he's in. In Part I, Naruto was capable of defeating the 2nd Rain Genin team even though he was weaken from Oro's sealing jutsu & tired out from the the 2nd Rain Genin team's genjutsu. Sasuke was capable of defeating Yoroi even though he was weaken by the CS's effects & tired out from battling the 2nd Rain Genin team right before the match.
So I'll say it again, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru.
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...What the fuck kind of comparison is that?
There is a WAY bigger power gap between a healthy Naruto and the Rain Genin or a healthy Sasuke and Yoroi than there is between a healthy Oro and a healthy Sasuke. Sasuke's essentially as strong as Jiraiya at this point, possibly stronger, and yet Oro still put up a fight.
I don't know what the hell you thought you could prove by comparing weakened Oro vs. Sasuke to weakened Sasuke vs. Yoroi, but...no.
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My point is that new generation (Naruto,Sasuke,etc.) are more resistant than the older generations (Kakashi, Orochimaru, etc) since they prove to us that they can be victorious no matter what condition they're in. Orochimaru setup everything before Sasuke burst into his room & challenge. Deal with it people, Sasuke defeated Orochimaru fair & square.
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The problem is, it's a totally invalid and therefore pointless comparison. Since the gap between Sasuke and Yoroi is MUCH greater than between Sasuke (post-timeskip) and Oro, it doesn't really prove anything that Sasuke beat Yoroi but Oro was beat by Sasuke (post-timeskip). Let me break it down for you as simply as possible: That's like saying that Sasuke, who is nearly exhausted, fights Sakura (pre-timeskip) and Oro, just as tired as Sasuke, fights Jiraiya, and then when Sasuke wins and Oro loses, you say it's because Oro isn't as "resiliant" (the word you're looking for, rather than "resistant") And anyway, Oro's pretty damned "resiliant" too. I mean, he managed to survive a scrap with Jiraiya and Tsunade, despite being without his arms and thus without any Ninjutsu. Oro's probably the most resiliant character besides Deidara (who is freaking brilliant).

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="JAIF"][quote user="DBAF Killer"] First of all, you should be the one to prove to me that Itachi can suppress the Kyuubi since you're the claiming that he could. [/quote]
I'm throwing evidence in your face, and you're just ignoring it.
First, the Kyuubi stated that Sasuke's chakra level and quality, as well as the insight of his Sharingan resembled that of Madara Uchiha. We know Itachi has more chakra than Sasuke. We know Itachi's Sharingan is better than Sasuke's. And we know Itachi is most likely more sinister than Sasuke.
Second, Itachi and Sasuke are related by blood. If the resemblance to Madara Uchiha is due to relationship, then if Sasuke has it, Itachi does as well.
Try to claim those are wrong, and you'll just prove yourself an idiot. The facts I'm using are:
a) Itachi has more chakra than Sasuke--not clearly stated, however, Itachi can throw a couple of Tsukuyomi's and Amaterasu's with ease out there, he must have an assload of chakra.
b) Itachi is more sinister than Sasuke--Itachi killed his f'ing mother and father for god's sake, Sasuke is a crybaby in front of him even now
c) Itachi's Sharingan is more advanced than Sasuke's--Itachi has Mangekyou. Since he was 13.
d) Itachi and Sasuke are brothers--...
All manga facts.
Disprove it. Using arguments and facts from the manga.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]And so what if Sasuke use the Cursed Seal's power against Orochimaru. What, is it a penalty for using it? [/quote]
No, but the Cursed Seal is something Orochimaru gave Sasuke. Itachi's extra power is the Mangekyou, which is his own power, something he had from birth, developed and mastered. Sasuke's Sharingan wouldn't be enough to beat Orochimaru. It's like trying to tell me that Naruto (pre-timeskip) > Neji/Gaara/Haku, just because he used the Kyuubi's power against them.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]I'll guess you believe that if Itachi didn't use his Sharingan, Orochimaru would've [owned] his a$$ by now. [/quote]
Impossible as it might sound, I do believe that Itachi (13 years old, w/o Sharingan) < Orochimaru. Not drastically though, and besides, Sharingan is Itachi's own power, the kekkei genkai. It was his power that mastered the Sharingan and he is able to use it freely now, without any or nearly without any chakra drain.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]Plus, Orochimaru should've use Sasuke's CS mark as his advantage just he did against Anko during the Chunin Exam arc. So yeah, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru much worse than Itachi did. [/quote]
How does the first relate to the second?
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]Finally, if you're stop reading the manga if Itachi get [owned] by Sasuke or any other character, then you're not a true fan of the manga & really pathetic.[/quote]
-_-
That was a joke.
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You still haven't prove that Itachi can suppress the Kyuubi's chakra. Are you trying to tell that if Sasuke achieves the Mangekyou Sharingan, it's going to look just like Itachi's because they're brothers? Every character is unique. However, the Kyuubi clearly stated that it was Sasuke who's Sharingan & chakra were more sinister than it's own just like Uchiha Madara. We have recently learn from Orochimaru that Sasuke haven't kill anyone over the timeskip since he waiting just to kill Itachi. If he didn't committed murder, then how is his Sharingan & chakra more sinister than the Kyuubi? My guess is that Sasuke is the reincarnation of this Uchiha Madara.
Look, Sasuke defeated Orochimaru. So what if Orochimaru was sick or Sasuke using the CS. These guys are ninjas. they don't play by the rules. If they want to back stab someone, they'll just do it. So stop your b*tchin & just deal with it.

JAIF

That's the point. Sasuke is a backstabbing weakling while Itachi is just someone who will walk in front of you and initiate a merciless rapefest on your mind and body. But the databooks don't take into account 'ability to sneak up on your former mentor and backstab him while he's sick' as a statistic.
What's so difficult to understand? Sasuke had to sneak up on a sick Orochimaru, use the Curse Seal's external influence to amplify his power so that he could marginably defeat a jutsu Itachi just canceled with a simple genjutsu skill of base Sharingan 7 years ago against a healthy Orochimaru. Isn't it obvious that Itachi >>> CS2 Sasuke?
As for Itachi and the Kyuubi, I've already stated my reasoning. You don't have to have killed in order to be considered sinister, or more evil than someone. Itachi has more power, the same kekkei genkai, and equal, if not higher, quality of chakra than Sasuke, so he wouldn't have a problem, supposedly. Nothing's for sure, naturally, but like it or not, my assumption is largely based on facts and is far more likely to be true than yours.
Oh, and since its a kekkei genkai, a bloodline limit, it's highly possible that Sasuke's Mangekyou would be the same as Itachi's. The Sharingan is the same to all, the Mangekyou of Kakashi might just have developed differently because it was developed by a non-Uchiha. If every character is unique, then every Uchiha would have different looking Sharingans, every Hyuuga different looking Byakugans etc. We have only seen one Uchiha with Mangekyou, you can't claim that Uchiha Mangekyous look differently from each other per se.

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="JAIF"] That's the point. Sasuke is a backstabbing weakling while Itachi is just someone who will walk in front of you and initiate a merciless rapefest on your mind and body. But the databooks don't take into account 'ability to sneak up on your former mentor and backstab him while he's sick' as a statistic.
What's so difficult to understand? Sasuke had to sneak up on a sick Orochimaru, use the Curse Seal's external influence to amplify his power so that he could marginably defeat a jutsu Itachi just canceled with a simple genjutsu skill of base Sharingan 7 years ago against a healthy Orochimaru. Isn't it obvious that Itachi >>> CS2 Sasuke?
As for Itachi and the Kyuubi, I've already stated my reasoning. You don't have to have killed in order to be considered sinister, or more evil than someone. Itachi has more power, the same kekkei genkai, and equal, if not higher, quality of chakra than Sasuke, so he wouldn't have a problem, supposedly. Nothing's for sure, naturally, but like it or not, my assumption is largely based on facts and is far more likely to be true than yours.
Oh, and since its a kekkei genkai, a bloodline limit, it's highly possible that Sasuke's Mangekyou would be the same as Itachi's. The Sharingan is the same to all, the Mangekyou of Kakashi might just have developed differently because it was developed by a non-Uchiha. If every character is unique, then every Uchiha would have different looking Sharingans, every Hyuuga different looking Byakugans etc. We have only seen one Uchiha with Mangekyou, you can't claim that Uchiha Mangekyous look differently from each other per se.
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No, your assumptions are largely based on the facts that your J.A.I.F. And I'll say it again, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru much worse than Itachi since he spill more of Oro's blood & finish the job unlike Itachi did. And prepare yourselves, because the next time Sasuke faces Itachi were finally going to see Itachi's blood spill.
Here's what I think Sasuke's Mangekyou Sharingan is going to look like.

Just imagine the white part to be black instead.

JAIF

[quote user="DBAF Killer"]
No, your assumptions are largely based on the facts that your J.A.I.F. [/quote]
How, exactly? Nothing I said was Itachi fanboy-ish. I am an Itachi fanboy, but that doesn't mean I supported my argument with random Itachi ownage facts (which I partially could, considering that, from what we see from the manga, Itachi does own everyone).
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]
And I'll say it again, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru much worse than Itachi since he spill more of Oro's blood & finish the job unlike Itachi did. [/quote]
I analytically explained why Itachi >>> Sasuke CS2 >= Orochimaru. Can your mind not conceive this simple notion? And so what, if Itachi didn't kill Orochimaru? Orochimaru didn't kill Naruto in the forest of death, wow, Naruto must've been really close to Orochimaru.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]
And prepare yourselves, because the next time Sasuke faces Itachi were finally going to see Itachi's blood spill.[/quote]
Major characters always follow a steady course that leads to their demise. Itachi can't go from 'T3H P4WNZ0RZ INST4K1LL MY 30% CL0N3 0WNZ J00' point to the 'ZH0MFG WTF MY L1TTL3 BR0TH3R B34T M3 S0 F'ING UNF41R 1 D13D' point.
In short, there has to be some point where the characters encounter Itachi again, we learn more about Mangekyou, his connection with everyone, flashbacks, relatively equal fight, another victory/retreat for Itachi, THEN Sasuke will come to the point where he might beat him.
Let's hope that takes long. Like, LONG.
[quote user="DBAF Killer"]
Here's what I think Sasuke's Mangekyou Sharingan is going to look like.

Just imagine the white part to be black instead.
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Now you are just decreasing your argument to the ridiculous point of pure speculation, not that it wasn't an assload of guesswork worse than mine to begin with, but now it's purely random.
There is a chance that you're right. So what? Can you tell for sure. No. So. Go home. Get owned. By Itachi.
Although, that image looks interesting, I'll grant you that. Reminds me of a beer cap or something I've seen.

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Baylavim

Wait, what? How do you know that Itachi has the same chakra as Sasuke? This Cursed Chakra thing seems to be a unique character trait of Sasuke's alone. I can't see Kishimoto giving Itachi, who is already ludicrously strong it's become uninteresting, another 1-up. And if we look at things from the manga, the Kyuubi says that Sasuke and this Madara person, no one else, has the Cursed Chakra. He makes no mention of this Cursed Chakra being strictly kept to the Uchiha clan, either, so it is quite possible you don't even have to know an Uchiha to gain the same chakra as Sasuke or Madara. Lastly, it's never stated Itachi's chakra has the same "quality" as Sasuke's. He has more chakra, undoubtedly, but no mention was made that his chakra shares its characteristics with his brother's.

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JAIF

I'm pretty sure Kyuubi was talking about Sasuke's own chakra. The Cursed Seal chakra isn't unique to Sasuke anyway, Anko also has it, and it's possible to speculate that Kimimaro and the 4 Sound shinobi that had curse seals also had it. Kyuubi never mentioned any of the other Uchiha's having similar or not similar chakra to Sasuke, he just stated that Sasuke's chakra quality and quantity was similar to that of Madara Uchiha. Quantity can be easily explained, seeing as Sasuke was nigh-Sannin level, possibly stronger than every other Uchiha 7 years ago except Itachi himself. And since Kyuubi mentioned 'cursed' and 'sinister', and Itachi is, in strictly technical terms, more 'evil' than Sasuke, well... here comes the point.
I don't think it was like THE CURSED CHAKRA, just... the cursed chakra. Nothing special to Madara or something. Just loads of evil chakra combined with the innate accursed bloodline of the Sharingan. Every Uchiha has (had) the potential to grow his chakra like Madara's, but they weren't evil or powerful enough to do it. Sasuke was, so naturally, Itachi was as well. That's what I believe anyway *shrugs*

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