DBAF Killer

[quote user="JAIF"] If there was a class above S-class, Itachi would be in it. And if there was a class above that class, Itachi would be in it. Itachi is the strongest character in the series right now, except the Akatsuki Leader. He owned Orochimaru much worse than Sasuke when he was 13. Now, he's much, MUCH stronger than that. Plus, if Oro is really dead as you claim, a good guess would be that the Cursed Seal of Heaven would disappear.
Randomness: Is anyone but me curious to learn more about Oro, Anko and their past?
EDIT: And yeah, if Orochimaru is really dead, the manga is starting to suck. Much worse than it did with Kakuzu's death. You know what, I think part 2 is hardly worth reading after the Yonbi vs Oro fight.
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First of all, Itachi isn't the strongest character in the series. He was never the strongest character to begin with. The Kyuubi no Yoko is the strongest character. Sasuke [owned] Orochimaru worser than Itachi did. Sasuke pinned Oro's arms together with his lightining sword, he forced Oro to reveal his true form, he chopped up Oro's body & destroyed Oro's dimension with his own will. We can still learn about Oro's past from other character's flashbacks like Anko, Jiraiya & Tsunade.
I don't why everyone is complaining about Oro' defeated. At least we witness Oro in more than 1 battle. Characters like the 3rd Hokage deserve to have more than 1 battle shown.

Shirogetsu

Characters like the 3rd Hokage didn't develop the plot as much either. ;/

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JammyBleached

[quote user="DBAF Killer"]Sasuke [owned] Orochimaru worser than Itachi did. Sasuke pinned Oro's arms together with his lightining sword, he forced Oro to reveal his true form, he chopped up Oro's body & destroyed Oro's dimension with his own will.
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After saying all that don't forget that Orochimaru was at his worst possible stage when Sasuke fought him. He was sick, he was dying, he was weak. During his fight with Itachi, he was at peak i guess and Itachi owned him.

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Masked_Felix

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2. I haven't seen it, but isn't this dealt with in the filler somewhere?
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Seeing how filler is...well, filler, I don't believe that's what most people want. Politely, filler is usually non-canon material that is put in anime for any number of possible reasons, IE to fill out the rest of a season when the anime has almost caught up to the manga. In laymen's terms, a bunch of malarkey concocted by the Anime staff almost always consisting of plots nearly as compelling and intracate as the one behind Pong. In my opinion, the Anko/Orochimaru background in the anime was a bunch of crap. Even the anime staff thought the plot was so thin that they had to stick it inside the fish girl mission, beacuse on it's own, the thing wouldn't be worth it's weight in cow manure. I'd rather see Kishimoto come up with something cool, as opposed to that "I left of my own free will and that's about it" junk. Anko has too much potential to give her that kind of a backstory. (In the event that Anko's backstory was accurately described and presented in the filler, I think I'll eat...well I don't know what I'll eat, but if things unfold that way, I'll gladly take suggestions.)
As for the DBAF Killer stuff about Sasuke 'pwning' Orochimaru far worse than Itachi. Dude, pick up a manga scan and look at the Itachi vs. Orochimaru scene in the flashback. Count the number of moves Itachi makes. One. To cut off Oro's hand and end the 'fight' (would pride rape be more appropriate? As much as I revere Orochimaru, that fight was sad). Count the number of moves Sasuke makes. A whole freaking lot more, not to mention that he had to use level 2 of his curse seal (granted by Orochimaru, so technically, it's not even his own power), just to keep up with a sickly version of Orochimaru that couldn't even use his jutsu. (Sarcasm alert --->)Oh yeah, Sasuke's a real beast.(<--- Sarcasm alert) The only cool thing he did in the whole fight was that blade of lightning thingamajigger that he used at the beginning. I would include the fact that Sasuke manipulated Orochimaru's diminsion, but it kind of looks like the snake has tricked the little dork some how.

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JAIF

[quote user="chimney_leaf"]2. I haven't seen it, but isn't this dealt with in the filler somewhere?[/quote]
Screw fillers, I've never even seen any of them. I'm talking about the real thing. But I guess, since they showed it in the filler episodes, it's not gonna be mentioned in the manga.

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Masked_Felix

[quote user="JAIF"]Screw fillers, I've never even seen any of them.
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JAIF, you've got some tremendous will power ^_^. I'm jealous.
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I guess, since they showed it in the filler episodes, it's not gonna be mentioned in the manga.
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Is that the way it works? Freaking crap.
@ the heavens: POR QUE????

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="Jammy"][quote user="DBAF Killer"] Sasuke [owned] Orochimaru worser than Itachi did. Sasuke pinned Oro's arms together with his lightining sword, he forced Oro to reveal his true form, he chopped up Oro's body & destroyed Oro's dimension with his own will.
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After saying all that don't forget that Orochimaru was at his worst possible stage when Sasuke fought him. He was sick, he was dying, he was weak. During his fight with Itachi, he was at peak i guess and Itachi owned him.
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So what if Oro's condition was bad, he should have won no matter what condition he's in. In Part I, Naruto was capable of defeating the 2nd Rain Genin team even though he was weaken from Oro's sealing jutsu & tired out from the the 2nd Rain Genin team's genjutsu. Sasuke was capable of defeating Yoroi even though he was weaken by the CS's effects & tired out from battling the 2nd Rain Genin team right before the match.
So I'll say it again, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru.

Nikushimi

[quote user="DBAF Killer"][quote user="Jammy"][quote user="DBAF Killer"] Sasuke [owned] Orochimaru worser than Itachi did. Sasuke pinned Oro's arms together with his lightining sword, he forced Oro to reveal his true form, he chopped up Oro's body & destroyed Oro's dimension with his own will.
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After saying all that don't forget that Orochimaru was at his worst possible stage when Sasuke fought him. He was sick, he was dying, he was weak. During his fight with Itachi, he was at peak i guess and Itachi owned him.
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So what if Oro's condition was bad, he should have won no matter what condition he's in. In Part I, Naruto was capable of defeating the 2nd Rain Genin team even though he was weaken from Oro's sealing jutsu & tired out from the the 2nd Rain Genin team's genjutsu. Sasuke was capable of defeating Yoroi even though he was weaken by the CS's effects & tired out from battling the 2nd Rain Genin team right before the match.
So I'll say it again, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru.
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...What the fuck kind of comparison is that?
There is a WAY bigger power gap between a healthy Naruto and the Rain Genin or a healthy Sasuke and Yoroi than there is between a healthy Oro and a healthy Sasuke. Sasuke's essentially as strong as Jiraiya at this point, possibly stronger, and yet Oro still put up a fight.
I don't know what the hell you thought you could prove by comparing weakened Oro vs. Sasuke to weakened Sasuke vs. Yoroi, but...no.

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SS2 Vegeto

K'. Just so everyone knows, the manga is a pile of steaming poo to me right now.

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Nikushimi

[quote user="SS2 Vegeto"]K'. Just so everyone knows, the manga is a pile of steaming poo to me right now.[/quote]
XD
It ain't as bad as it might seem. Kishimoto will probably more than compensate for this loss with more Akatsuki stuff.
Well, assuming there has actually been a "loss".

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="Nikushimi"][quote user="DBAF Killer"][quote user="Jammy"][quote user="DBAF Killer"] Sasuke [owned] Orochimaru worser than Itachi did. Sasuke pinned Oro's arms together with his lightining sword, he forced Oro to reveal his true form, he chopped up Oro's body & destroyed Oro's dimension with his own will.
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After saying all that don't forget that Orochimaru was at his worst possible stage when Sasuke fought him. He was sick, he was dying, he was weak. During his fight with Itachi, he was at peak i guess and Itachi owned him.
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So what if Oro's condition was bad, he should have won no matter what condition he's in. In Part I, Naruto was capable of defeating the 2nd Rain Genin team even though he was weaken from Oro's sealing jutsu & tired out from the the 2nd Rain Genin team's genjutsu. Sasuke was capable of defeating Yoroi even though he was weaken by the CS's effects & tired out from battling the 2nd Rain Genin team right before the match.
So I'll say it again, Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru.
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...What the fuck kind of comparison is that?
There is a WAY bigger power gap between a healthy Naruto and the Rain Genin or a healthy Sasuke and Yoroi than there is between a healthy Oro and a healthy Sasuke. Sasuke's essentially as strong as Jiraiya at this point, possibly stronger, and yet Oro still put up a fight.
I don't know what the hell you thought you could prove by comparing weakened Oro vs. Sasuke to weakened Sasuke vs. Yoroi, but...no.
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My point is that new generation (Naruto,Sasuke,etc.) are more resistant than the older generations (Kakashi, Orochimaru, etc) since they prove to us that they can be victorious no matter what condition they're in. Orochimaru setup everything before Sasuke burst into his room & challenge. Deal with it people, Sasuke defeated Orochimaru fair & square.

chimney_leaf

[quote user="Masked_Felix"][quote user="JAIF"] Screw fillers, I've never even seen any of them.
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JAIF, you've got some tremendous will power ^_^. I'm jealous.
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I guess, since they showed it in the filler episodes, it's not gonna be mentioned in the manga.
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Is that the way it works? Freaking crap.
@ the heavens: POR QUE????
[/quote] I never watched any of the fillers either, or at least after one episode I stopped. They were just...awful. I just read somewhere that it had been done, and the manga isn't going to go and contradict something that has already been done, even if not by Kishimoto himself.
Especially for a character who I don't think we are going to be seeing much more of, at least not in a big way (Anko) and a character who might be dead, and who we have already seen flashbacks for - childhood, as a young ninja (when Tsunade's brother dies), confrontation with Sandaime and confrontation with Jiraiya.
It isn't going to happen.
Just found out that the name is indeed Suigetsu, and that means something intangible. Makes sense considering that he/she doesn't seem solid.

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JAIF

[quote user="DBAF Killer"]First of all, Itachi isn't the strongest character in the series. He was never the strongest character to begin with. The Kyuubi no Yoko is the strongest character. Sasuke [owned] Orochimaru worser than Itachi did. Sasuke pinned Oro's arms together with his lightining sword, he forced Oro to reveal his true form, he chopped up Oro's body & destroyed Oro's dimension with his own will. We can still learn about Oro's past from other character's flashbacks like Anko, Jiraiya & Tsunade. [/quote]
First of, congratulations on stating the obvious <_<. The strongest of the bijuu and the king of demons versus a shinobi... good job being a complete moron and totally missing my point. But because I can't let you get away with this, I'll tell you this: As long as Kyuubi stays inside Naruto, it can't beat Itachi. Sasuke supressed the Kyuubi's chakra with his own chakra, not even the CS chakra, and Itachi's chakra far surpasses Sasuke's, both in quantity and quality (evil-ness). Unless Itachi like allows the Kyuubi to come out and fight him. And it's more than likely that Itachi also has the power to seal the Kyuubi like Yondaime did, provided he knows the technique.
As for Sasuke owning Orochimaru worse than Itachi... you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Itachi (13 years old, without Mangekyou) >>> Orochimaru (healthy, full power)
Sasuke (15 years old, Cursed Seal of Heaven level 2, full power) >= Orochimaru (sick, worst possible condition, no jutsus)
The manga sucks right now. Badly. It's like... either we see some awesome Itachi ownage in the next chapters, or the manga dies a horrible death.

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DBAF Killer

[quote user="JAIF"][quote user="DBAF Killer"]First of all, Itachi isn't the strongest character in the series. He was never the strongest character to begin with. The Kyuubi no Yoko is the strongest character. Sasuke [owned] Orochimaru worser than Itachi did. Sasuke pinned Oro's arms together with his lightining sword, he forced Oro to reveal his true form, he chopped up Oro's body & destroyed Oro's dimension with his own will. We can still learn about Oro's past from other character's flashbacks like Anko, Jiraiya & Tsunade. [/quote]
First of, congratulations on stating the obvious <_<. The strongest of the bijuu and the king of demons versus a shinobi... good job being a complete moron and totally missing my point. But because I can't let you get away with this, I'll tell you this: As long as Kyuubi stays inside Naruto, it can't beat Itachi. Sasuke supressed the Kyuubi's chakra with his own chakra, not even the CS chakra, and Itachi's chakra far surpasses Sasuke's, both in quantity and quality (evil-ness). Unless Itachi like allows the Kyuubi to come out and fight him. And it's more than likely that Itachi also has the power to seal the Kyuubi like Yondaime did, provided he knows the technique.
As for Sasuke owning Orochimaru worse than Itachi... you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Itachi (13 years old, without Mangekyou) >>> Orochimaru (healthy, full power)
Sasuke (15 years old, Cursed Seal of Heaven level 2, full power) >= Orochimaru (sick, worst possible condition, no jutsus)
The manga sucks right now. Badly. It's like... either we see some awesome Itachi ownage in the next chapters, or the manga dies a horrible death.
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Hey, I'm not the moron who thought that Itachi was the strongest character in the series. Unlike Sasuke, Itachi doesn't have the ability to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra since his Sharingan & chakra isn't similar to that of Uchiha Madara. If Itachi knows how to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra, he would've done so when he first encounter Naruto.
As for Sasuke owning Orochimaru worse than Itachi... it's you who doesn't know what you're talking. If you're telling me that Oro getting his hand cut off out in the open is much worse than Oro getting completely [owned] in his dimension & his body chopped up under his own roof, then you must be stupid.
And you think the manga sucks now just because Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru, then I guess you'll think that the manga will really suck when Sasuke bust Itachi's a$$. Boy, I can't wait for that to happen so I hear all these hardcore Itachi b*tchin about their boy's lost.

Masked_Felix

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Unlike Sasuke, Itachi doesn't have the ability to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra since his Sharingan & chakra isn't similar to that of Uchiha Madara. If Itachi knows how to suppress the Kyuubi's chakra, he would've done so when he first encounter Naruto.
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Prove that to me. I dare you. I want some hard facts, not just personal speculation. Personal speculation isn't bad, but when you have no factual foundation, that's when your theory is doomed to fall before it's even presented. To uproot your current foundation, Naruto was relatively weak at that time of the manga. He didn't even know Rasengan. Sasuke had the Sharingan and Chidori, and he still bit the dust. There was no need to supress the Kyuubi. Not to mention that Kisame was on that as soon as it started. Samehada took care of Kyuubi's chakra before it was even an issue big enough for Itachi to worry about.

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