Masked_Felix

Boo and a half....

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DBAF Killer

I told & showed you guys so. Orochimaru is officially dead. Now, please excuse me as I now prepare to create Orochimaru's memorial service thread.

Masked_Felix

Please excuse my totally uncalled for and infinitely illogical faith in Oro (commonly called denial <_<), but it's not over 'till the fat lady sings, and we haven't seen Chouji's mother yet.

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Saiyan Slayer

I have an question. Is there an undevelop Mangekyou Sharingan stage? The reason why I'm asking is because Sasuke's eyes look different than they did before.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=26735

chimney_leaf

[quote user="Saiyan Slayer"] I have an question. Is there an undevelop Mangekyou Sharingan stage? The reason why I'm asking is because Sasuke's eyes look different than they did before.
http://groups.msn.com/NarutoMangaRet...&PhotoID=26735

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His eyes look more like a mix between Sharingan and Orochimaru's eyes, so he must have taken something from him.
Turns out that guy/girl is called Mizugetsu. That still means water...pretty obvious considering what we've seen.

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Crayne

When kabuto said that Orochimaru's dead, Sasuke answered that he has just taken over. So, this possibly means that Sasuke adapted some of Orochimaru, but he himself is still in control of his own body.
And the mystery of Mizugetsu is interesting. S/he probably has some sort of bloodline limit jutsu... forming out of water like that...
Or Orochimaru went too far with experimenting and created a hollow man! Or a hollow woman! Jesus christ, it's a lion, get in the car!

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DBAF Killer

Since they brought Kakuzu back to Konoha with them, this means they also have his ring. Itachi & Kisame might go back to Konoha to retrieve both Naruto & the ring. This is a perfect time for Sasuke to return to Konoha. Sasuke is definitely strong to defeat Itachi now since he totally [owned] Orochimaru.

JAIF

[quote user="DBAF Killer"] Sasuke is definitely strong to defeat Itachi now since he totally [owned] Orochimaru.
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Dream further. Itachi beat Orochimaru far more easily when he was 13 years old. Itachi can currently waste CS2 Sasuke in one or two shots.

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DBAF Killer

I think you mean predict further. So far, most of my prediction came to past. The next time Sasuke faces Itachi, we're going to learn the dark secret of the Uchiha, the reason why Itachi slaughter the clan & Itachi's unforgettable death.

chimney_leaf

[quote user="DBAF Killer"]I think you mean predict further. So far, most of my prediction came to past. The next time Sasuke faces Itachi, we're going to learn the dark secret of the Uchiha, the reason why Itachi slaughter the clan & Itachi's unforgettable death.[/quote]
Obviously one day Sasuke will beat Itachi, but unless his new eyes are ridiculously powerful then he still doesn't have a chance just yet.

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DBAF Killer

Since Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru, he's definitely at the Kage level/S-class. Itach better prepare himself because he's next to get [owned].

JammyBleached

You know what, if Orochimaru truly has been beaten (I don't think he has, i believe he's gone to Kabuto.) then i must say Kishimoto sucks. Two of the best characters in the series get into a rumble and he shows jack shit of it. He shows a start and then an end. Hopefully the Anime will make it better and worthwhile.

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JAIF

If there was a class above S-class, Itachi would be in it. And if there was a class above that class, Itachi would be in it. Itachi is the strongest character in the series right now, except the Akatsuki Leader. He owned Orochimaru much worse than Sasuke when he was 13. Now, he's much, MUCH stronger than that. Plus, if Oro is really dead as you claim, a good guess would be that the Cursed Seal of Heaven would disappear.
Randomness: Is anyone but me curious to learn more about Oro, Anko and their past?
EDIT: And yeah, if Orochimaru is really dead, the manga is starting to suck. Much worse than it did with Kakuzu's death. You know what, I think part 2 is hardly worth reading after the Yonbi vs Oro fight.

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Nikushimi

[quote user="Crayne"]Or Orochimaru went too far with experimenting and created a hollow man!
Or a hollow woman! Jesus christ, it's a lion, get in the car![/quote]
XD

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Since Sasuke totally [owned] Orochimaru, he's definitely at the Kage level/S-class. Itach better prepare himself because he's next to get [owned].
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Tsunade is the Hokage, so she's also Kage-level/S-Class. Being that strong has become very unimpressive ever since Itachi came into the picture. Hell, Itachi was on that level at age 13, and well into it. He beat Oro MUCH easier than Sasuke did; Oro couldn't even fight back.
At this point in the series, I'd be surprised if ANY of the characters in their current states (minus injuries, such as Naruto's from using Fuuton: Rasen Shuriken) can beat Itachi. Sasuke'd have to have suddenly gained a tremendous power boost, which brings me to another topic...

I think one of two things happened between Oro and Sasuke:
1. Oro actually did take Sasuke's body and is only pretending to be Sasuke. After all, I doubt Sasuke could send Kabuto into Orochimaru's mind-transfer world. Also, Sasuke's Sharingan looked different after the ritual. Furthermore, the release of Suigetsu/Mizugetsu (Which is it, by the way?) doesn't prove anything, since Oro may have planned to release him after taking over Sasuke's body. Maybe now Oro will go attack Akatsuki, and he released Suigetsu/Mizugetsu to help him.
2. Sasuke took Oro's body. This would explain how Sasuke could get a big enough boost to compete with Itachi. I mean, think about it: Oro's world is a world where the two within it struggle for control over eachother. Sasuke seemed to have taken control over the whole dimension, so he probably took Oro's body (which explains why his Sharingan look a bit different). It also explains why Sasuke said "I'm in control now". It's possible. Which means Oro's still alive. After all, we never actually saw him die.

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chimney_leaf

[quote user="JAIF"] Plus, if Oro is really dead as you claim, a good guess would be that the Cursed Seal of Heaven would disappear.
Randomness: Is anyone but me curious to learn more about Oro, Anko and their past?
EDIT: And yeah, if Orochimaru is really dead, the manga is starting to suck. Much worse than it did with Kakuzu's death. You know what, I think part 2 is hardly worth reading after the Yonbi vs Oro fight.
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1. Not necessarily. Don't get me wrong, I don't want Orochimaru to be dead, but I don't see this as being evidence of his survival. Personally I hope that he remains, maybe inside Sasuke's mind for now, but I hope not in Kabuto, he's too cool a character to be just taken over by Orochimaru.
2. I haven't seen it, but isn't this dealt with in the filler somewhere?
3. If he's dead, he's dead, and yes, it would be a bit rubbish, but there's nothing we can do about it, but I think that things have still been good. We built things up to such high levels of awesomeness (second fight with Zabuza and Haku and the Chunin exams are hard to beat) that sometimes its hard when things don't happen the way we think would be best.
I actually think that once these chapters are out and we own them in lovely shiny paperback books we'll better appreciate them. I own Bleach up to about volume 16 and I've just been re-reading it, and I forgot just how good the artwork is, because all I've seen recently are poor quality scans. It just ain't the same...and that degrades the whole thing, the story included, and I think the same can be said for Naruto.
Catch my drift?

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