.NamekianSage

Wrong. Itachi isn't the strongest & their characters weaker than Teuchi the "Ramen shop Dude".

Munboy Dracule O'Brian

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Kurushimi

I don't see where people get this Jiraiya >> Itachi business. Itachi has stronger Ninjutsu. stronger Genjutsu. He has greater intelligence and tactical skill. He's faster and has better hand seals. Their Taijutsu are equal (as far as we know.) The only thing Jiraiya has him on is power and stamina (which won't amount to anything with his genjustsu and Mangekyou techniques), though if he goes Sage Mode he might be faster.

If they were to fight, and Itachi didn't use Mangekyou, the fight would be pretty close. With Mangekyou, Itachi rapestomps. So where did this idea that Jiraiya is stronger than Itachi arise from?

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Munboy Dracule O'Brian

I think they're equals(they died due to a Doujutsu, they died on the same day and their total stats are same).

Though I don't want to debate it as its never ending.

Imihsukin

I basically agree, though I am not sure how there deaths are relevant to the discussion.

Ninjutsu goes to Jiraiya

Genjutsu goes to Itachi

Taijutsu is probably about even though Jiraiya has the power, but Itachi has the Sharingan

Speed goes to Itachi, but not significantly enough to cause much trouble

Stamina goes to Jiraiya which can be a big factor because it means he can spam ninjutsu to keep Itachi on the defensive

Another x factor are the summons. If Jiraiya uses those it can cause quite a bit of trouble for Itachi and give Jiraiya time to go Hermit Mode.

Once he is there he basically surpasses Itachi in every category, but then Itachi has his MS to balance the fight back out.

It is definitely a great match up to think about, but for sure, a never ending debate.

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Kurushimi

Well, that's good enough for me.

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WombatKombat

My two cents ( and I apologise if this rears up another ugly debate ) is that Itachi requires Mangekyou and it's Dojutsu to kill Jiraiya, but once that's initiated, it's game over for the Sannin. Tsukiyomi probably is negated by Pa and Ma Toad, but I severly doubt Jiraiya can outspeed Amaterasu, especially if Itachi has the speed advantage and could merely distract the other with Bunshin feints, Bakuma Bunshins or his own Ninjutsu, and there's nothing in Jiraiya's arsenal to fight off the fires ( By the time he dishes out the Fuinjutsu scroll and seals the fire, his head is lopped off ). Chou Oodama Rasengan would be lethal if it were to hit, but so would Naruto's Rasen Shuriken or Kakashi's Raikiri/Kamui. Problem? None of these jutsus would even reach Itachi, this dude is pretty fucking good at evading attacks and all. Hair jutsus are fast-moving, sure, but not particularly lethal in comparison. Itachi may not have Pein's perfect co-ordination or mastery over the Five Elements, but Sharingan and it's shitty haxx more than make up for it, methinks. I'd argue that even Itachi's standard Katons are superior to Jiraiya's strongest, with the possible exception of Deep Fryer.

One extremely aggrivating '' feat '' that Jiraiyatards give to the Sannin is him blitzing and smashing Skinny Pein blind. No doubt is it somewhat impressive, but Skinny Pein has shown no feats of supah-speed or reflexes individually of the Rikudou, so it should be invalid. Infact, I'd say that SM Jiraiya would be troubled by flippin' Kakuzu, who easily has more impressive elemental Ninjutsu and Kurogone Karada on his side, aswell as his tendrils and generally skilful Taijutsu. There's no way that Kakuzu is beating MS Itachi in a fight, so don't try the '' A>B /=/ A>C '' logic on me, because Itachi is superior to both competitors.

That said, without MS, Itachi would be hard-pressed to land an opening on Jiraiya or to devastate him with large-scale jutsus and would most likely die.

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Imihsukin

I try to not to be pulled in to these things, but somethings I feel you have pretty wrong.

The problem here is you are comparing 2 relatively slow attacks, to something from Jiraiya that was all but instant. Pein had time to put his hands up and that was it. Naruto has to bring out KB's and stand there and prep his attack whereas Jiraiya just instantly had a mini spirit bomb in Pein's face. If this jutsu happens, Itachi will die.

His hair destroyed a summon. That is more lethal then plenty of attacks. I think you are underestimating its power. As far as the Katon, I will also have to disagree. I believe they both case about the same kind of Katon, the difference is Jiraiya has more chakra and Sage chakra to make his bigger and stronger. Deep Fryer is probably the strongest Katon in the manga only behind Amaterasu.

Actually Kakuzu's ninjutsu isn't more impressive. All of them are B ranked except for what would be his Katon + Futon combo, whereas Jiraiya is throwing out plenty of B to A ranked ninjutsu, as well as them being inforced by Sage chakra.

And I know you said don't bring it up, but ABC logic is just about the worst argument you can use. 2 different fighting styles are 2 different fighting styles. One person could be completely outclassed by someone simply because they are bad at genjutsu, but completely dominate a same level opponent because they are good at ninjutsu.

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Oldboy

They aren't. If you are looking for any similarities, try Orochimaru and Jiraiya, they are equals imo.

No and No.

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.NamekianSage

Wrong again. Itachi isn't the strongest character & Teuchi isn't the weakest.

Kurushimi

Who's the weakest?

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Teen Goten

Thanks to the latest databook, I manage to get the names and ranks of the characters jutsus that were recently shown. Here's the revision of Jiraiya's strongest list. I'll revise the other characters' strongest list later on.

Jiraiya's Strongest Jutsus
Demonic Illusion: Toad Confrontation Singing (w/ Shima and Fukasaku)
Hermit's Art: Boiling Oil (w/ Shima and Fukasaku)
Hermit Art: Deep Fryer (w/ Shima and Fukasaku)
Hermit Art: Hair Needle Barrage
Ultimate Rasengan
Summoning: Toad Mouth Bind
Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld
Rasengan
Five Element Unseal
Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet (w/ Gamabunta)
Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique
Barrier: Dome Method Formation
Wild Lion's Mane Technique
Fire Release: Great Fireball
Needle Guardian
Summoning: Toad Shop Technique
Toad Flat Shadow Control Technique
Barrier: Toad Gourd Prison
Kage Bunshin
Fire Sealing Method
Hiding in a Toad Technique
Summoning Technique (Toads)
Fire Release: Fireball
Toad Oil Projectile
Frog Conversion Technique
Finger Engraving Seal
Transparent Technique
Body Flicker Technique
Body Replacement Technique
Exploding Tag: Activate
Transformation Technique
Clone Technique
Projection Technique
Projectile Weapons
Cloak of Invisibility Technique
Rope Escape Technique

.NamekianSage

Who's the weakest? It someone other than Teuchi, that's for sure.

NarutoFan

I need something confirmed: Databook 1 statistics are Pre-Chunnin Exams? Pre-Chunnin Exams meaning before the finals and such. I have no idea.

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Truepotential

Yes, before the Chunin exams, mainly the wave-country arc.