Island of 1,000 Condiments

Yet Kakuzu’s uniform was completely intact, down to the mouth guard? If he even had to repair himself, it would mean he had taken an injury, lost an arm, or otherwise received some sort of physical blow to cause him bodily harm. For such to happen to a man completely layered in cloth, wouldn’t that mean his clothes would at least be scratched? In addition, to summon out the masks, doesn’t he have to remove his cloak… or else it’d be shredded?

Who says you couldn’t? If a Bijuu soul can be connected to a body, what specifies that anything else is exempt from such? Last I saw, a similar Sealing technique was performed on Orochimaru, Shodai, and Nidaime, all three of which are mortal humans. What means it couldn’t work on say… Gamabunta? Secondly, who stated Manda was an exclusive summon to Orochimaru? Third, that ‘Nobody writes like that’ is YOUR own statement that you used against Nikushimi in your argument over Pein, Yondaime, Akatsuki, etc.

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SS2 Vegeto

He could have removed it, he could have repaired it, he could have drawn blood, and had Hidan kill her quickly. This only proves, too, that Ikiryou isn't as strong as you guys would have it, because the very idea, the simple notion that post-training base Naruto would be, like..above pre-training Sanbi level, which would be necessary, is so out there, that it's freezing over.

Nobody would write the insanity that you guys are suggesting. So indeed, nobody writes like that. There are S class shinobi far more powerful than the average bijuu. Why not seal them? Last, it's not much more logical to suggest, that of the few people who would possibly be able to summon Manda, one of those just happened to be there when it was decided to seal some monster inside a human being to be used as a tool for war, or that this person would even want to. It's total speculation, and the burden of proof is on you.

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Nikushimi

1. Oh?
2. And why's it illogical to assume that? The fact that he took the hit unscathed kinda proves he can take an Ikiryou-sized punch. Sewing skills aside, Kakuzu didn't have even the most remote injury. Even if he won by drawing blood for Hidan to use, I doubt it would've taken him any significant effort.
3. There's no way Manda could be stronger than Ikiryou. At all. Gamabunta needed Naruto for Konbi Henge just to wake Gaara up, and at that point, he was already injured from Shukaku's Renkuudan. Even after Gaara woke up, the Shukaku body was still pushing Gamabunta back, and he was amazed at how much strength Gaara had left. Not much later, Gamabunta ran out of chakra and returned to the world of the summons. If it had just been Shukaku, no waking up the host, Gamabunta would've lost. Big time. Manda may have outclassed Gamabunta and Katsuyu, but only enough to put him marginally ahead of Shukaku, nowhere near enough to put him square with Ikiryou, definitely not above it. We're talking about a full tail of difference. Look at the difference between Ichibi Naruto and Nibi Naruto, Nibi Naruto and Sanbi Naruto, Sanbi Naruto and Yonbi Naruto. It's the kind of difference that makes Orochimaru's initial reaction "How disappointing..." and then turns around into "Holy shit, this guy might kill me!"- just because of a single tail. We know the Bijuu are stronger than the corresponding tailed forms of Naruto, by quite a bit. Even if it was a proportionally-equal gap, it'd be...monstrous. No logical estimate of Manda's power would place him near Ikiryou, let alone above it.
4. In this case, yes. Or is it not odd that evidence shows Orochimaru>Sandaime Hokage>Raikage>Ikiryou, while at the same time, Shukaku can totally overpower Gamabunta and the best the latter can manage is to wake the host up, WITH help?
5. Hardly. Did you see the size of the explosion? With the blast created by Yonbi Naruto, it's pretty safe to say that Rasen Shuriken falls somwhere between Nibi and Sanbi-level, probably Sanbi-level. After all, it DID take down Kakuzu, and if you'll recall, Kakuzu DID take a direct strike from Ikiryou, and healing or not, came out of it no problem.

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SS2 Vegeto

- Not only is Manda far larger than Ikiryou, but it has nothing to do with whether or not it can actually cause as much damage to him. It's illogical to assume that, because it's totally out there to think that Kakashi gained a HUGE amount of power over the timeskip, developing faster than a jinchuriki, with the most powerful bijuu inside of him, being trained by one of the Sannin. It's built around the fact that Kakuzu beat the Nibi and doesn't look hurt, omg he pwns, the end.

- Gamabunta did considerably better against Shukaku than he did against Manda. He actually countered four of his five attacks, took the fifth, and managed to close the distance between them, and hold Shukaku until Naruto could wake up Gaara. Manda outclassed Gamabunta and Katsuya together, at least as bad, or worse than Shukaku had with Gamabunta by himself. Lastly, again, Ikiryou is not necessarily stronger than Shukaku was, even if it's physically manifested around it's jinchuriki, because the jinchuriki and their bijuu thrive off of eachothers power, and ability to work in sync with eachother. The bijuu itself might be stronger, but it's power might not be fully available to it's host, though it might even be able to form it in total. The difference between the tailed forms is honestly, part of the reason it's impossible for Kakuzu to be this strong, because just adding on the increase from base - semi-kyuubi, for each form puts Kakashi, pre-timeskip, no higher than a theoretical placement for a pre-timeskip Nibi Naruto, and as I've explained, it's an exceptional claim, to say the least, that Kakashi suddenly gotten ludicrously powerful (resting soley on the fact that base-Naruto's attack was big, and Kakuzu, with Hidan, beat Ni Yugita, who's strength is disputed), developing faster than the kyuubi jinchuriki, while being trained by one of Konoha's Legendary Sannin, for two and a half years.

- It's only odd, if you assume Ni Yugita can use more power than Manda before looking it over.

- One jutsu that might be Sanbi level, in the sheer amount of damage it can cause, does not make base Naruto himself Sanbi level. It gives him higher ninjutsu ability, moderate intelligence (complexity of the skill), and probably more stamina. Sanbi Naruto can use extremely powerful attacks using chakra without defined limit, or incapacitating himself in the process, lacks intelligence, but has more stamina than base Naruto could have possibly ammassed during training. Kakuzu really could not have done more than what he did to avoid being struck, and Naruto had already used that jutsu once before his arrival, so it's hard to see Kakuzu in that state as being much more than Naruto's equal, if at all - which I have my doubts about. Kakashi was in the same range of power as post-training base Naruto. According to what is written, Naruto was "as strong, or stronger".

EDIT: To DBAFKiller's post, Kisame is the only one who suggested it in the first place, Jiraiya himself told them they really didn't know much about him, Kisame obviously changed his mind, since it was Kisame who was first to suggest that there was no reason to flee, Itachi gives specific reasons for why they left (none of them involving Jiraiya), and Jiraiya himself comments that scaring them off was the most he could manage.

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Teen Goten

Once Jiraiya and Pein's battle is over, I'll put up the strongest list for that battle. Even though I know that Jiraiya is going to die, I'm still rooting for him.

Saiyan Slayer

You should also put up the strongest list of all the jutsus Jiraiya knows. All of us know that he's going to die.

Teen Goten

Good idea! I'll also put up Pein's strongest attacks that he shown so far.

GOAT

Hes only shown kuchiyose hasn't he?

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Teen Goten

Hermit Art: Deep Fryer, Ultimate Rasengan, and Hermit Art: Hair Needle Barrage! These are definitely going on the top of Jiraiya's strongest jutsu list.

SS2 Vegeto

Toad Mouth Bind seemed more impressive than most of those, to me, actually, the exception being "Ultimate Rasengan". Of course, you couldn't think to put those over summoning Gamabunta, either, or the Sennin mode itself...

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Teen Goten

Okay, Kaneshibari Genjutsu will be on the top of Jiraiya's list. Some people say that it's more powerful than Itachi's Tsukiyomi.

Zer0

Who are these people?

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Teen Goten

Okay everybody, here's the latest of Ero-Sennin's list of strongest jutsu. I'm not finish with Pein's list yet, but I will be.

R.I.P Jiraiya.

Jiraiya's Strongest Jutsus
Kaneshibari Genjutsu (w/ Ma & Pa Frog)
Hermit Art: Hair Needle Barrage
Hermit Art: Deep Fryer (w/ Ma & Pa Frog)
Ultimate Rasengan
Jiraiya's Toad Transport Technique (Unnamed)
Summoning: Toad Mouth Bind
Earth Release: Swamp of the Underworld
Rasengan
Five Element Unseal
Fire Release: Toad Oil Flame Bullet (w/ Gamabunta)
Summoning: Food Cart Destroyer Technique
Barrier Technique
Wild Lion's Mane Technique
Fire Release: Giant Fireball Blast
Needle Guardian
Kage Bunshin
Fire Sealing Method
Summoning Technique (Toads)
Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique
Toad Silhouette Control Technique
Frog Conversion Technique
Toad Oil Blast
Body Flicker Technique
Body Replacement Technique
Exploding Tag: Activate
Transformation Technique
Clone Technique
Projection Technique
Projectile Weapons
Cloak of Invisibility Technique
Rope Escape Technique

Super Cool

why'd you put RIP?

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Zer0

Spoilers (highlight)

He put Rest in peace since Jiraiya is basically dead.

end spoilers

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