Zer0

Heh heh heh I never said it was referring to Pein.

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Masked_Felix

It's true, but it's still fun to squabble over it. With another week and a half to wait for the next chapter, it's decently amusing. I suspect that Itachi is stronger, since you pretty much can't beat him unless you have the Mangekyou yourself. If for some reason the fight is going badly for him, all it takes is either one look of the eye to ensure his victory, the only difference in the method is whether the opponent returns eye contact or not. Either Tsukuyomi or Amaterasu and it's over in the blink of an eye.

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DBAF Killer

1) Pein being this "puppet leader" is much better than being a fucking lackey like Itachi is.

2) WTF you mean "so what"? Never losing a battle is an impressive feat. Not only does this means that Pein is a good fighter, but it also means that Pein was capable of whooping his opponent's ass even if he was at the brink of death.

3) Itachi is a good little b*tch. He knows that if he doesn't obey Pein's commands, Pein would cut off Itachi's balls.

4) Even without seeing Itachi in person, Pein could use his telepathy to mind-rape Itachi so bad that Tsukiyomi would look like a lame ass magic trick.

5) After 2 attempts, he still couldn't capture Naruto. Now he's about to face Naruto, who's now S-rank material in his base form & Kakashi, Yamato, Sakura, Shino, Kiba & Hinata backing him up. Tobi made the right decision on having Pein taking care of Itachi's assigment because Itachi just prove to us that he's really pathetic.

Nikushimi

1. That "lacky" you're so quick to put down seems like he's got his own plans. Don't let rank cloud your judgment. Unless you're going to tell me that Kabuto>Sasuke.

2. Again, so what? Gaara was stated to have never even been scratched. That's much better than a record of "never losing". But again, he's an insect compared to Itachi.

3. I don't recall him ever even being REMOTELY afraid of Pein. Furthermore, I don't ever recall Pein acting superior to Itachi. Pein just gave orders and Itachi carried them out.

4. Not only has Pein never been shown to have telepathy, even if he did, there's no way it would surpass the Tsukuyomi. Itachi's already the major Genjutsu specialist in the series, so I don't see anyone else being able to do any better. Ever. Except maybe Tobi, who is basically a stronger version of Itachi.

5. Last time I checked, Naruto was the one hiding in the bushes out of fear while Itachi was the one calling him out. Last time I checked, it was stated pretty clearly that Itachi could've caught Naruto if he had actually really tried. Last time I checked, Itachi caught up to Naruto alone in the forest, definitely not afraid of taking him on. Last time I checked, Tobi was pretty serious about telling Pein to hurry up and capture the Kyuubi. Rather than tell Itachi to hurry up and do it, he sent Pein and then ran off to do something else. Seems to me like Tobi is wary of Itachi and plans to handle him himself while Pein captures the Kyuubi. That is, unless Itachi gets to Naruto first.

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Masked_Felix

Even though you're just going to bypass all of this and continue, I've got nothing better to do right now than enter an endless argument.
Akatsuki Lackies are people like Kabuto, not members like Itachi, Pein, Kisame, Zetsu, Tobi, and The Lady.

You're imagining too much. All this means is that Pein has never lost a battle. For all we know he's been fighting toddlers. This 'brink of death business' is baseless speculation. Note Nikushimi's reference to Gaara.

The Leader treats the others with respect, he doesn't really demean them. As SS2 Vegeto has stated, we have yet to see either fight at full capacity, and see Pein fight at all, so we don't have any solid facts to go on. Position isn't always a set power determination. Note Sasuke and Naruto who are still ranked as Genin, though their power is Jounin level at the least. Similarly, even though Itachi is just a member, it has nothing to do with his power versus Pein's. Itachi joined for his own reasons under Pein, (or possibly under Tobi since he is most likely the Mangekyou user Itachi mentioned to Sasuke) so naturally he's going act his part as a member, since he joined, not founded.

Assuming that Pein's telepathy isn't a two way jutsu or cannot be shut off by the receiver, it's danger level is nothing more than a radio in your mind that you can't get rid of. Tsukuyomi, however, is a realm controlled by the user who can assault all of your senses to the level he pleases, and unlike the telepathy, you can't simply ignore it like you would an annoying song in your head.


Itachi left Naruto alone on purpose their first meeting, and later said that he hasn't pursued Naruto further. And as Nikushimi has also pointed out, Itachi's encounter with Kakashi, Sakura, Chiyo, and Naruto wasn't a failed attempt to attain him, it was a succsessful attempt to detain him. I see no 'failings' other than failings to follow orders which further contradicts your point 3.

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DBAF Killer

1) Itachi is a lackey. If he wasn't a lackey, then Pein would've inform what really happen between Sasuke & Deidara.

2) Pein is a S-rank ninja, who's the second-in-command of Akatsuki & never lost a battle. To be in that position he must've defeated other S-rank ninjas in the past.

3) Like I said before, Itachi is a good little b*tch.

4) Itachi fatigue after using Tsukiyomi, but Pein doesn't at all after he use his telepathy. Tsukiyomi is only short range while Pein's telepathy is all range. Telepathy > Tsukiyomi

5) You change up the words if you want, but you're basically saying that Itachi fuck up & is pathetic for that.

Nikushimi

1. Because Itachi already knows. When Kisame said he was the last Uchiha now and he said that he wasn't, I don't think he was talking about Tobi...

2. Again, so what? Kakuzu is a bounty hunter who goes after the highest bounties (S-Rank), and who is stated to have killed many of his previous partners (who are also S-Rank). He's still nothing compared to Itachi. Besides, why are you so sure that Pein has beaten a lot of S-Ranks? For all we know, he might've only faced a few in his entire life, and most S-Ranks out there wouldn't last a second against Itachi.

3. You just don't get it, and it's a waste of time trying to point it out to you when the truth is right in your face. You're just being your usual stubborn self.

4. Again, Pein doesn't have telepathy. And even if he did, telepathy doesn't do damage, genius. On top of that, Itachi has Sharingan, meaning he could easily break free from it.

5. You're the one changing words and dodging facts. The only reason Naruto didn't die from Bijuu extraction pre-timeskip is because Itachi chose not to capture him.

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Zer0

I would have thought the scan of "the strongest man from Akatsuki" would cause arguements over who its referring to. I guess not.

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Masked_Felix

Good idea. DBAF Killer, Pein is not the man to whom that statement refers.

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DBAF Killer

WTF are you talking about? What statement are you talking about?

1) Like it or not, but Itachi is just a lackey. It's about time you realize that their ninjas stronger than Itachi.

2) Itachi is nothing compared to Pein. From a genin to S-rank ninja with 0 loses is much impressive feat than Itachi's altogether.

3) No, you're being stubborn since you can't face the truth that Itachi is Pein's b*tch & obeys his orders even though he's a rogue ninja.

4) Really, then explain how he was able to communicate with Akatsuki members over long distances. And yes, telepathy can do damage, dumbass. With telepathy, you can read or control minds, cast illusions, erase memories, project astral form & cause severe brain damage. So yeah, Telepathy >>> Sharingan

5) You're the one dodging facts & changing words up. Itachi failed his assigment twice, not once, but twice. "Never send a boy (Itachi) to do a man's (Pein) job".

Masked_Felix

Lol, read Zero's post.

Allright, since you have started going into your repetitive phase, where certain arguments of yours are no longer improved upon or expanded to contradict other posts, and you've just started repeating them, I'll only continue with those that you're still giving new material. Once they've all reached this point...well , I'll cross this bridge when we come to it.
2) Which of Itachi's feats are you speaking of? We don't exactly know his track record, other than a 30% was only defeated by a combanation of chunnin, jounin, high-jounin, and kage level fighters all attacking together, and it took them awhile at that. That seems pretty impressive to me. Possibly moreso than Pein's undefeated record. A kage is considered S-Class, and the fourth Kazekage was killed by Orochimaru in a flash. Orochimaru had no visible injury, and there wasn't even a big sign of battle. That was an S-Class Ninja. Who's to say that Pein's battles weren't fought with people of that level? They're S-Class, which would bring him up to the level if he beat some of them, under your argument.
4) Woah ,woah, woah, back your imagination up. The manga has never shown Pein's 'telepathy' to do anything but communicate with the members from long distances. All of this mind control and brain damage is coming out of nowhere. Show me a scan where the manga says "you can read or control minds, cast illusions, erase memories, project astral form & cause severe brain damage". I'll bet you'll be hard pressed to find one.

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Blazing Hyuuga

Answers are in the Quote

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Zer0

Its seems nobody reads all of the posts anymore.

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Masked_Felix