SSj3 Goku Vs Gohan - Page 8

Rudol_Ichiga · 10-10-2008

Goku can never surpass Gohan. It was always said in the manga that Gohan had far more potential than Goku. See it like this:

Goku: 5
Goku SSJ: 250
Goku SSJ2: 750
Goku SSJ3: 2000
Goku hypothetical max: 10,000

Gohan: 4
Gohan SSJ: 200
Gohan SSJ2: 600
Mystic Gohan: 15,000
Gohan's hypothetical max: 15,000

Even if Goku reached his max, he wouldn't surpass Gohan. Gohan is meant to be stronger than Goku.

Evil Vegeta · 10-10-2008

I think that's the best way to go. They're fused, so it could be very different. Especially if you think SSJ Gotenks is stronger then Majin Buu.

Sorata · 10-10-2008

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It was always said in the manga that Gohan had far more potential than Goku.

It was never said in the manga.

Rudol_Ichiga · 10-10-2008

It was said that Gohan had far more potential than any other Saiyan, thanks to him being a hybrid.

SSJ4 Vegito · 10-10-2008

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Why is everyone ignoring this? Is it because it's fucking fact? Or is it because everybody knows that Gohan could beat Goku and they're talking about something else? But...... if this argument has nothing to do with Goku's power compared to Gohan's, then how come people are allowed to go off topic? Either way, something's wrong here.

I think people want to know the difference between Ultimate Gohan and SSJ3 Goku or even Super Buu and SSJ3 Goku. I've personally decided that Gohan is the winner.

I also don't understand why People constantly say Gohan wins because, he had his potential unlocked, he had his potential unlocked in the Namek Saga but Goku is ahead of that. Both Saiyans can still grow, I don't know I just don't believe in Capped levels of power.

Sorata · 10-10-2008

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It was said that Gohan had far more potential than any other Saiyan, thanks to him being a hybrid.

Vegeta said that the hybrids could be stronger than regular Saiyans when he was flying to Earth and never saw a hybrid before. It's only a theory. Never was it stated that Gohan had more potential than anyone.

SSJ4 Vegito · 10-11-2008

Yes but things in the Manga generally have to be contradicted for them to be proven wrong. The rest of the Manga only enforces Vegeta's theory. However I don't believe that once Gohan has his power unlocked he has no where left to go. He just was at his current limit (Like on Planet Namek) he could still expand his strength from there.

Kaboom · 10-11-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

However I don't believe that once Gohan has his power unlocked he has no where left to go. He just was at his current limit (Like on Planet Namek) he could still expand his strength from there.

This is precisely the case. The idea that characters have some sort of "absolute limit" to their power that they could reach and never be able to achieve is ridiculous. Many times in the series have characters seemingly reached some "unbreakable ceiling," only to end up breaking it and becoming even stronger in the end.

In DragonBall, there is no such thing as unsurpassable limits.

Old Kaio's ritual did the same thing to Gohan as Saichoro's did. It drew out his absolute best at that point in time and made it easily accessible to him. Since he had two levels of Super Saiyan's worth of power to work with, there was a lot more to draw from. And the fact that he'd been sitting around on his arse for the last seven years probably meant there was a lot more that he could have tapped into by training, but didn't, so the ritual brought it out instead.

But Gohan is lazy, and stopped training... again. Goku didn't. By the 10 years after Buu? Yeah, I'd bet that at his absolute best with SSj3, Goku had caught up to Gohan. By GT another five or so years later, he'd have surpassed him.

**Majuub** · 10-11-2008

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Fat Buu was even with SSJ3 Goku(or close to it). I don't think its a stretch to say that Buu couldn't dodge the attack.

In fact, Fat Buu saw the attack coming, he was just suprised by it. Instead of dodging it, he just stayed there waiting for Goku to fire it.

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The only reason Vegeta could blow Fat Buu to pieces was because he unleashed an attack like 15x his power level, I doubt Base Gotenks could've blown Super Buu to pieces without using his full power attack(and even that may not have been enough, as Gotenks was much farther away from Super Buu than Vegeta from Fat Buu).

The only reason is because Buu's body is easy to damage. You've even stated yourself that Buu's body was easy to damage. Bullets pierced his body, even Majin Vegeta not using his full power managed to damage Buu. I have multiple scans of being much weaker than Buu damaging him. An exemple? SSJ2 Vegeta blasted Chibi Buu and half of Buu's body was gone. It had nothing to do with power, anybody can damage Buu's body. If measily bullets can pierce him, then it shouldn't be too hard to blow it up.

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Bullets don't explode on contact.

They just pierced him, but still, they damaged his body, fact is, there was no real damage to Buu himself, why bother dodging them when they have absolutely no effect on his power.

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But Kid Buu WAS crazier. You can't deny that.

I never denied it, but he wouldn't be stupid enough to let himself get blasted by a dangerous technic. He would either dodge it or deflect it. Kinda like he ran on Goku like crazy when he saw the gigantic Genki-Dama.

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You're contradicting yourself here. You already said that once Buu regenerates, all of his damage is gone, so ask yourself this question.

I'd say it's because he didn't like explosions going off in his face. Seems reasonable, yes?

That's the whole point of regeneration isn't it? I fail to see where I contradicted myself. Fact is, Shin Buu was pissed off, strangely enough, he was actually laughing before the ghosts blew him up. Why would he be angry if the attacks did little to no damage. I just don't see why he would be pissed off considering base Gotenks attacked him, so did SSJ Gotenks, only after the Super Ghosts Kamikaze attack was he pissed of and ready to kill Gotenks. Also, don't tell me that did no damage.

Piccolo was also quite impressed by SSJ Gotenks doing such a ''fine'' job. SSJ3 Gotenks wasn't all that great.

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No, its not. You have no evidence to support this, so my example is fine. Based on previous occurances, you can't deny that its very likely that Gotenks could've unlocked SSJ3 in only 6 days.

It's not a bad exemple? Goku from volume 17 to 27 got 360,576x stronger and you think he can experience an increase similar to that by the Buu saga? The characters with training were easily quadrupling their strength within a month in early DB, surely in DBZ, they can't do that. There are my evidences. Now I await your evidences to prove me late DBZ increases are equal to early DBZ or late DB increases.

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Because the plot called for it. Its as simple as that.

That's not an argument. A plot device is something that was never done before and that can be contradicted by other material from the same source. Kinda like Tienshinhan's Kikoho repelling Cell who was multiple times stronger. A plot device also can't be explained. Stop using that argument as I'm disproving it has something to do with plot devices. Plot device, yes it would be one if they actually got multiple times stronger in 6 days, but they simply didn't.

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I'm not following you.

Let's say Goku had mastered his SSJ2 state at 75%, his multiplier and control should logically be higher than someone who mastered it at 10% correct? We note that, since Goku didn't master SSJ2 and still reached SSJ3, by no means a complete mastery of the SSJ2 is required to go SSJ3. Gotenks could have had an SSJ2 mastery of 1%, that would make his multiplier and control much lower than Goku's, not only that, but the power of the SSJ3 would be measily because the SSJ2 boost is already small.

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What are you referring to?

Shin Buu specifically told Gohan that he couldn't support that someone was stronger than himself, meaning he was excluding SSJ3 Gotenks amongst the person(s) stronger than him. He also said he didn't finish off Gotenks simply to buy time for Gohan's arrival. Going by his logic, he deemed SSJ3 Gotenks as trash. Another proof Gotenks SSJ3 boost is crappy?

SSJ2 Majin Vegeta with his full power(probably more than it considering he killed himself) blew up Fat Buu, still, Fat Buu wasn't even close to death. He regenerated like it was nothing and almost forgot about the attack. The attack did absolutely no damage as Buu was laughing after his regeneration. Shin Buu on the other hand seemed in great pain when the ghosts blew him up and told Gotenks that he had pushed it too far and wanted to kill him. If the ghosts weren't more damaging than Vegeta's explosion on Fat Buu, Shin Buu would have regenerated and laughed at Gotenks pathetic attempt to kill him. He would have not been pissed off by the attack.

SSJ Gotenks damaged Shin Buu more than SSJ2 Majin Vegeta damaged Fat Buu.

Now, SSJ3 Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu without a shade of doubt, he wasn't talking like it would have been easy but he sure was pretty confident. Keep in mind, SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta are even. With only one ascension, not only was SSJ3 Goku able to easily keep up with someone multiple times stronger than his SSJ2 self, but he stated himself that he was actually powerful enough to kill Fat Buu. That's only with one ascension, from SSJ2 to SSJ3. SSJ Gotenks was able to damage Shin Buu to some extent(nothing really dangerous) but it still had more effect than Majin Vegeta's Final explosion on Fat Buu. By going up by 2 ascensions, SSJ3 Gotenks by Shin Buu's standards is still only a toy to play with. A theoritical SSJ3 Majin Vegeta would have obliterated Fat Buu, that's with one ascension, Gotenks with two ascensions was still not enough to do to Shin Buu what Goku would have done to Fat Buu.

You can also disagree by thinking SSJ2 Vegeta's Final Explosion did more damage to Fat Buu than SSJ Gotenks ghosts to Shin Buu. Even there, both the attacks weren't near life threatning to Buu. They did about the same amount of damage which was little to none. Vegeta with one ascension would obliterate Fat Buu, Gotenks with two ascensions still doesn't obliterate Shin Buu.

Fat Buu>>SSJ2 Majin Vegeta

Shin Buu>>SSJ Gotenks(Same difference as the one between Fat Buu and Majin Vegeta)

SSJ3 Goku>Fat Buu(One ascension)

SSJ3 Gotenks=Shin Buu(Two ascensions)

With all that you still believe Gotenks has a multiplier as high as Goku's?

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He said that Gotenks had reached a level he had taken his entire life to reach. If Gotenks SSJ3 was a weaker power boost than Goku's, I see no reason for him to say this.

He was refering to the ascension itself, nothing about its power. Also, SSJ3 Gotenks was still a good deal stronger than SSJ Gotenks, even if it wasn't comparable to the difference between SSJ2 and SSJ3 Goku, it still was good enough to help Gotenks not getting killed and maybe win the fight.

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Hero · 10-11-2008

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Originally Posted by Majuub

In fact, Fat Buu saw the attack coming, he was just suprised by it. Instead of dodging it, he just stayed there waiting for Goku to fire it.

He was testing Goku's strength, and then got surprised at the speed of the attack and was unable to dodge. m i rite?

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They just pierced him, but still, they damaged his body, fact is, there was no real damage to Buu himself, why bother dodging them when they have absolutely no effect on his power.

Like I've said about every post, Buu probably didn't care as long as his physical body wasn't massively distorted like it was when the ghost's hit him.

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I never denied it, but he wouldn't be stupid enough to let himself get blasted by a dangerous technic. He would either dodge it or deflect it. Kinda like he ran on Goku like crazy when he saw the gigantic Genki-Dama.

Could Kid Buu sense chi?(I know Super Buu could). If so, he probably felt the power of the genki dama and knew it would be enough to completely destroy it.

[quote[That's the whole point of regeneration isn't it? I fail to see where I contradicted myself. Fact is, Shin Buu was pissed off, strangely enough, he was actually laughing before the ghosts blew him up. Why would he be angry if the attacks did little to no damage. I just don't see why he would be pissed off considering base Gotenks attacked him, so did SSJ Gotenks, only after the Super Ghosts Kamikaze attack was he pissed of and ready to kill Gotenks. Also, don't tell me that did no damage.[/quote]If your body had just been distorted massively, you would've been pretty missed off too, m i rite? It has nothing to do with damage.

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It's not a bad exemple? Goku from volume 17 to 27 got 360,576x stronger and you think he can experience an increase similar to that by the Buu saga? The characters with training were easily quadrupling their strength within a month in early DB, surely in DBZ, they can't do that. There are my evidences. Now I await your evidences to prove me late DBZ increases are equal to early DBZ or late DB increases.

That's. Not. Evidence.

All you've done is stated Goku's increases in early DBZ, and then assumed that it couldn't happen in late DBZ.

But if it makes you happy, look at Goku's training in the RoSaT. He wasn't in any strange gravity, yet some would say that his power multiplied by just 100x in one year.

And then Gohan, his base increased by more than like 10,000x in just one day.

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That's not an argument. A plot device is something that was never done before and that can be contradicted by other material from the same source. Kinda like Tienshinhan's Kikoho repelling Cell who was multiple times stronger. A plot device also can't be explained. Stop using that argument as I'm disproving it has something to do with plot devices. Plot device, yes it would be one if they actually got multiple times stronger in 6 days, but they simply didn't.

Where did you disprove it?

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Let's say Goku had mastered his SSJ2 state at 75%, his multiplier and control should logically be higher than someone who mastered it at 10% correct? We note that, since Goku didn't master SSJ2 and still reached SSJ3, by no means a complete mastery of the SSJ2 is required to go SSJ2. Gotenks could have had an SSJ2 mastery of 1%, that would make his multiplier and control much lower than Goku's, not only that, but the power of the SSJ3 would be measily because the SSJ2 boost is already small.

mmm, good point. But still, I really don't think Goku would be acting the way he did had Gotenks' power increase been so much lower, and you can be sure someone would've said something if it was that weak of a SSJ3.

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Shin Buu specifically told Gohan that he couldn't support that someone was stronger than himself, meaning he was excluding SSJ3 Gotenks amongst the person(s) stronger than him. He also said he didn't finish off Gotenks simply to buy time for Gohan's arrival. Going by his logic, he deemed SSJ3 Gotenks as trash. Another proof Gotenks SSJ3 boost is crappy?

Do you have a scan/quote of this, please? I think maybe since he could put up somewhat of a decent fight against Gotenks he may have left his name out.

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SSJ2 Majin Vegeta with his full power(probably more than it considering he killed himself) blew up Fat Buu, still, Fat Buu wasn't even close to death. He regenerated like it was nothing and almost forgot about the attack. The attack did absolutely no damage as Buu was laughing after his regeneration. Shin Buu on the other hand seemed in great pain when the ghosts blew him up and told Gotenks that he had pushed it too far and wanted to kill him. If the ghosts weren't more damaging than Vegeta's explosion on Fat Buu, Shin Buu would have regenerated and laughed at Gotenks pathetic attempt to kill him. He would have not been pissed off by the attack.

Shin Buu only showed pain because the ghosts hadn't blown him up completely. I'm sure Fat Buu showed signs of pain or displeasure right before he was blown up, its just that we couldn't see his facial expressions because his face gone.

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Now, SSJ3 Goku said he could have beaten Fat Buu without a shade of doubt, he wasn't talking like it would have been easy but he sure was pretty confident. Keep in mind, SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta are even. With only one ascension, not only was SSJ3 Goku able to easily keep up with someone multiple times stronger than his SSJ2 self, but he stated himself that he was actually powerful enough to kill Fat Buu. That's only with one ascension, from SSJ2 to SSJ3. SSJ Gotenks was able to damage Shin Buu to some extent(nothing really dangerous) but it still had more effect than Majin Vegeta's Final explosion on Fat Buu. By going up by 2 ascensions, SSJ3 Gotenks by Shin Buu's standards is still only a toy to play with. A theoritical Majin Vegeta would have obliterated Fat Buu, that's with one ascension, Gotenks with two ascensions was still not enough to do to Shin Buu what Goku would have done to Fat Buu.

1) Goku didn't know of Fat Buu's full power.
2) Gotenks was a playful guy, he wasn't going to destroy Buu so quickly.

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Fat Buu>>SSJ2 Majin Vegeta

Agreed.

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Shin Buu>>SSJ Gotenks(Same difference as the one between Fat Buu and Majin Vegeta)

I'd put it bigger for obvious reasons.

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SSJ3 Goku>Fat Buu(One ascension)

Debatable.

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SSJ3 Gotenks=Shin Buu(Two ascensions)

Gotenks >= Shin Buu.

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With all that you still believe Gotenks has a multiplier as high as Goku's?

He was refering to the ascension itself, nothing about its power. Also, SSJ3 Gotenks was still a good deal stronger than SSJ Gotenks, even if it wasn't comparable to the difference between SSJ2 and SSJ3 Goku, it still was good enough to help Gotenks not getting killed and maybe win the fight.

Yes, I do believe it. Answer me this question: Why would Toriyama make Gotenks a SSJ3, if he could've just given him a normal SSJ2 'acension' boost and kept him as a SSJ2? That makes no sense to me. If he was going to turn into a SSJ3, then obviously AT for some reason wanted him getting a SSJ-SSJ3 boost. It might not make the most sense, but its right there in the manga.

SSJ4 Vegito · 10-11-2008

Why would akira fool the readers like that? With Goku not knowing his Full Power, why wouldn't Goku know his Full Power his own energy was sensed from the planet of the Kais plus he said at one point he could feel the boys "Fused" Chi Pre-Rosat so he didn't have to mention it so either it wasn't worth mentioning or it couldn't be sensed.

If you want another explanation it's the context of the story it's meant to inform the readers of something like Supreme Kai being able to beat Freeza (100%) in one hit or Krillin saying Cell is stronger than Freeza (100%)

**Majuub** · 10-11-2008

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He was testing Goku's strength, and then got surprised at the speed of the attack and was unable to dodge. m i rite?

In fact no, he wasn't. He was just fighting him for fun. Goku was also not at full power and they were pretty even up to that point.

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Like I've said about every post, Buu probably didn't care as long as his physical body wasn't massively distorted like it was when the ghost's hit him.

Well, Fat Buu was blown up multiple times and never was pissed. The only time he was angry was when he admitted that Majin Vegeta hurt him a bit. Aside from that he was always laughing. Chibi Buu got blown and lost parts of his body a couple of times, he still didn't care. Shin Buu got cutted in half by base Goku and was still not really pissed. He was just a bit suprised.

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Could Kid Buu sense chi?(I know Super Buu could). If so, he probably felt the power of the genki dama and knew it would be enough to completely destroy it.

That actually doesn't help you as this was my whole point. If the attack is damaging, Buu will either dodge or deflect it, Chibi Buu ran at the Genki-Dama because it was damaging. Had it been like Goku's first Kamehameha, he would have just taken it and regenerate.

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If your body had just been distorted massively, you would've been pretty missed off too, m i rite? It has nothing to do with damage.

Well, after the first ghost blew him up(yes, his body was massively disorted) Shin Buu wasn't pissed and was reading a magazine while drinking soda. One ghost did damage his body by quite a bit, but still, it didn't hurt him a lot. When multiple ghosts all attacked him at once and blew him up(again) he was extremely pissed. His body was already severly crippled the first time and he wasn't pissed, it also was the 2nd time and he was extremely pissed. Why? Simply because the 2nd time was actually damaging.

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That's. Not. Evidence.

All you've done is stated Goku's increases in early DBZ, and then assumed that it couldn't happen in late DBZ.

But if it makes you happy, look at Goku's training in the RoSaT. He wasn't in any strange gravity, yet some would say that his power multiplied by just 100x in one year.

First of all, I don't see where you got that his power multiplied by 100x. Second, I don't know if you already did the calculations but Goten and Trunks stayed in the ROSAT from 5-14 days( I don't recall correctly) and according to you got at least 2x stronger. Also, no, Goku didn't get like ''100x'' stronger.

Yes that's an evidence considering no one in late DBZ experienced an increase even comparable to Goku's increase from 17-27.

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And then Gohan, his base increased by more than like 10,000x in just one day.

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mmm, good point. But still, I really don't think Goku would be acting the way he did had Gotenks' power increase been so much lower, and you can be sure someone would've said something if it was that weak of a SSJ3.

Why complaining when Gotenks was doomed as SSJ and now shows his SSJ3? He was the last hope, even if his SSJ3 multiplier isn't comparable to Goku's it's still more than enough to give him a huge advantage in a battle. They also don't have to state anything when everything is drawn you know.

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Do you have a scan/quote of this, please? I think maybe since he could put up somewhat of a decent fight against Gotenks he may have left his name out.

I have scans but they're only fanslations. Still, I didn't take these words out of the fanslations but from the french manga(pretty similar to Viz) but I'm 100% sure that someone such as Evil Vegeta or Chibi Mystic Gohan could provide us the scans. I didn't make the lines up, he did say he was buying time for Gohan's arrival and he did say he couldn't support that Gohan was stronger than him. Also, if you read, the context literally tells us that SSJ3 Gotenks was excluded from the statement of someone being stronger than Buu.

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Shin Buu only showed pain because the ghosts hadn't blown him up completely. I'm sure Fat Buu showed signs of pain or displeasure right before he was blown up, its just that we couldn't see his facial expressions because his face gone.

You also have to look at the aftermath of the events. Fat Buu after being blown up regenerated and was laughing his ass off. Shin Buu wasn't. Piccolo seemed also confident that Gotenks had done enough since he suggested to burn the pieces right away, meaning he felt Buu was weakened to a point where he could be disposed of. Why would he also comment on Gotenks doing a good job if the ghosts did absolutely no damage?

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1) Goku didn't know of Fat Buu's full power.

Volume 42, end of DBZ, Toriyama knows the ending, he writes Goku being stronger than Fat Buu, he knows exactly what SSJ3 Goku is capable of, same for Fat Buu. Also, Goku not knowing Fat Buu's full power doesn't make him any less right.

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2) Gotenks was a playful guy, he wasn't going to destroy Buu so quickly.

He simply overestimated his capacities. SSJ3 Gotenks was also not playing with Buu as he said he knew Shin Buu was alive even after using his ultimate attack.

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I'd put it bigger for obvious reasons.

Well, where are you evidences to suggest SSJ2 Vegeta's explosion did greater damage to Fat Buu than Gotenks ghosts did damage to Shin Buu. Point is, Buu looked in great pain in both instances, he regenerated without any sign of ki loss in both instances, he was blown to pieces in both instances. The only difference is that Shin Buu was pissed off and Fat Buu wasn't. Either SSJ Gotenks was more effective or they are equal, SSJ2 Vegeta couldn't have been more effective.

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Debatable.

A fact is not debatable. Toriyama writing Goku being stronger than Fat Buu is his opinion, since it's his work, his opinions are fact. There is this quote(and multiple evidences) to support Goku's superiority over Fat Buu, but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest Fat Buu was stronger than Goku.

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Gotenks >= Shin Buu.

Well, not really since Shin Buu said he was playing with Gotenks(or something along those lines). It was also a blow for blow fight where no one dominated the other. Gotenks also used his most powerful attack and little were the results. They were actually even. With Gotenks having the power edge but with Buu having the durability.

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Yes, I do believe it. Answer me this question: Why would Toriyama make Gotenks a SSJ3, if he could've just given him a normal SSJ2 'acension' boost and kept him as a SSJ2?

Kinda like you disagree with a stated fact alright? Why would he? Go ask him as I don't know. You honestly think he thought about multipliers when drawing SSJ3 Gotenks? Also, Gotenks wanted the SSJ3, he didn't give a damn about SSJ2, that's why Toriyama chose to make SSJ3 Gotenks and there is also the fact that, why drawing an older form when a newer and cooler version exists?

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That makes no sense to me.

I'm actually trying to explain you the logic so it makes sense to you.

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If he was going to turn into a SSJ3, then obviously AT for some reason wanted him getting a SSJ-SSJ3 boost. It might not make the most sense, but its right there in the manga.

First of all, it's nowhere and where did you get he wanted to give him an SSJ-SSJ3 boost? He just drawn him SSJ3 plain and simple.

10-10-2008	#106 (permalink)
Rudol_Ichiga Bleach Ranked (23) Bankai Captain Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: "Where the hell do you think I am?" Posts: 2,466 Rep Power: 164	Re: SSj3 Goku Vs Gohan Goku can never surpass Gohan. It was always said in the manga that Gohan had far more potential than Goku. See it like this: Goku: 5 Goku SSJ: 250 Goku SSJ2: 750 Goku SSJ3: 2000 Goku hypothetical max: 10,000 Gohan: 4 Gohan SSJ: 200 Gohan SSJ2: 600 Mystic Gohan: 15,000 Gohan's hypothetical max: 15,000 Even if Goku reached his max, he wouldn't surpass Gohan. Gohan is meant to be stronger than Goku. __________________ Quote of the now: "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding" Aizen. Currently watching: YuYu Hakusho Currently Reading: Bleach,Naruto Shipuuden

10-10-2008	#109 (permalink)
Rudol_Ichiga Bleach Ranked (23) Bankai Captain Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: "Where the hell do you think I am?" Posts: 2,466 Rep Power: 164	Re: SSj3 Goku Vs Gohan It was said that Gohan had far more potential than any other Saiyan, thanks to him being a hybrid. __________________ Quote of the now: "Admiration is the furthest thing from understanding" Aizen. Currently watching: YuYu Hakusho Currently Reading: Bleach,Naruto Shipuuden

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SSJ4 Vegito (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,482 Rep Power: 138	Re: SSj3 Goku Vs Gohan Yes but things in the Manga generally have to be contradicted for them to be proven wrong. The rest of the Manga only enforces Vegeta's theory. However I don't believe that once Gohan has his power unlocked he has no where left to go. He just was at his current limit (Like on Planet Namek) he could still expand his strength from there. __________________ 90% of DragonBall fans detest DragonBall GT If you're one of the 10% of fans who actually like GT, post this in your signature. "If everything God did made sense he wouldn't be 'God" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4afhQK_sXgQ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAi7ZDY2q4s- Dead sea scrolls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU_rTX23V7Q for fellow Christians

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SSJ4 Vegito (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,482 Rep Power: 138	Re: SSj3 Goku Vs Gohan Why would akira fool the readers like that? With Goku not knowing his Full Power, why wouldn't Goku know his Full Power his own energy was sensed from the planet of the Kais plus he said at one point he could feel the boys "Fused" Chi Pre-Rosat so he didn't have to mention it so either it wasn't worth mentioning or it couldn't be sensed. If you want another explanation it's the context of the story it's meant to inform the readers of something like Supreme Kai being able to beat Freeza (100%) in one hit or Krillin saying Cell is stronger than Freeza (100%) __________________ 90% of DragonBall fans detest DragonBall GT If you're one of the 10% of fans who actually like GT, post this in your signature. "If everything God did made sense he wouldn't be 'God" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4afhQK_sXgQ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAi7ZDY2q4s- Dead sea scrolls http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU_rTX23V7Q for fellow Christians