base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18 - Page 7

Tyrant · 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

It also shows base kid Gohan sparring with Super Saiyan Goku. I guess that means base Gohan = Super Saiyan Goku, right?

Exactly, that's my point about training sessions. They are not conclusive evidence of power. Goten and Trunks never beat anybody and so I base their power levels on other forms of evidence.

Evil Vegeta · 07-20-2008

I just explained the differences between both training sessions. Gohan didn't make Goku put that much effort into it, because he was going against Piccolo & Gohan.

By the way, what villains was there for the two to show their power against?

Broly · 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by SRP76

It also shows base kid Gohan sparring with Super Saiyan Goku. I guess that means base Gohan = Super Saiyan Goku, right?

Where's that shown? Either way, the point is that both Goten and Gohan are sweating and fighting vigorously, how could you interpret that to be some fluke?

Tyrant · 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

By the way, what villains was there for the two to show their power against?

Exactly, there is no way to compare Goten and Trunks to any villain because they never had any important fights until they turned into Gotenks. That's why I base my levels for them based on age, experience, etc.

Evil Vegeta · 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Broly

Where's that shown? Either way, the point is that both Goten and Gohan are sweating and fighting vigorously, how could you interpret that to be some fluke?

He's talkin about the title page on Vol.13/29 where it shows them training for the Androids. It shows Goku defending against Piccolo & Gohan with both of his arms, which doesn't even compare to Gohan & Goten's training.

Their age has nothin to do with it, nor their experience. They're are powerful, and if you believe SSJ Gohan can kick Majin Buu and barely move him, but SSJ Trunks, who's supposedly weaker then SSJ Goku on namek or Androids saga can send Buu through six plains with a kick, then that's unbelievable. Gohan was a bit weakened, but Trunks is clearly more powerful then most give him credit for.

Tyrant · 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

He's talkin about the title page on Vol.13/29 where it shows them training for the Androids. It shows Goku defending against Piccolo & Gohan with both of his arms, which doesn't even compare to Gohan & Goten's training.

Their age has nothin to do with it, nor their experience. They're are powerful, and if you believe SSJ Gohan can kick Majin Buu and barely move him, but SSJ Trunks, who's supposedly weaker then SSJ Goku on namek or Androids saga can send Buu through six plains with a kick, then that's unbelievable. Gohan was a bit weakened, but Trunks is clearly more powerfl then most give him credit for.

Majin Buu's power fluctuates depending on his mood. He got pummeled for a while by Vegeta SSJ2 but then he went and survived Goku SSJ3? Once again, not every attack that hits is an indication of who's stronger. Piccolo kicked 50% Frieza who's much stronger than him.

Broly · 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

He's talkin about the title page on Vol.13/29 where it shows them training for the Androids. It shows Goku defending against Piccolo & Gohan with both of his arms, which doesn't even compare to Gohan & Goten's training.

Their age has nothin to do with it, nor their experience. They're are powerful, and if you believe SSJ Gohan can kick Majin Buu and barely move him, but SSJ Trunks, who's supposedly weaker then SSJ Goku on namek or Androids saga can send Buu through six plains with a kick, then that's unbelievable. Gohan was a bit weakened, but Trunks is clearly more powerful then most give him credit for.

Ah yes, well the fighting effort shown in each picture obviously has a difference, and it's a pretty big one. The panel where Gohan and Piccolo are fighting SSj Goku indicates that Goku was probably going pretty easy on them. The panel that shows SSj Goten fighting SSj Gohan vigourously, flamed Super Saiyan aura's, mean faces, sweat 'n' all, infers that they were fighting pretty seriously, and almost for real. That's the difference.

Remixxx · 07-20-2008

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Originally Posted by remixremix

Gravity:

Mirat Trunks while entering the Rosat for the first time didnt have any problems moving in it at all and he actually didnt even made a single comment about it..And he never experienced anything more then earths gravity and he wasnt used to it....So he was just strong enough to handle it easilly

#Gohan also while entering the Rosat for the first time just said that "his body feels heavier"..And thats all...he just comment it .....And he was also abel to easilly handel the gravity because he was just strong enough

#Base Trunks while training for the Budokai wasnt abel to move at 150 and he also never experienced anything more then earths gravity...But as soon as he turned SSJ he was abel to move so easilly without a single problem...So if he wasnt used to it he still wouldnt be abel to move no matter his SSJ form....

#We have a clearlly statment from King kai saying"That the gravity is the main reason why the saiyans are so strong".....

#Then we have Vegeta training in a 300 gravity room..Actually we dont see him training we just see him asking The Doctorto built a gravity room of 300x...Then we just have one pic of him sweating and standing and thats all..So we cant proof what gravity was on or was it during the training or if he just finished up the training

#And the last part is that Goku as a child entered the Rosat but couldnt even stay one month there and still needed to get stronger to move around better in the 10x gravity....And Goku as a child never got strong enough in the Rosat to handle the 10x gravity and put in there extreme amount of air and the high temeperatures where too much for him to handel and he was "made" to leave.....And Goku training there as a kid was not mentioned until Cell saga...and its probabaly a plot-device and just because to have an excuse to have Goku know about this room...And Goku on King Kais spent several months on Kais planet while still needing to get stronger to move around better in x10 gravity and here he got strong enough to handel it unlike the time as a child

Training

Gohan didnt train for 7 YEARS 7 YEARS ....If he doesnt train for 7 years and doesnt have a partner for 7 years to sparre with its definitlly gonna be a schock to him and to his body to sudenlly have a SSJ as a sparring partner after 7 years since he was out of shape and a RUSTY SSJ.

Imagine yourself not doing any training for seven years you will obviouslly get weaker and if you try to do the same amount of weights that you did seven years before you aint gonna make it since you are out of shape and you definitlly gonna need time to get used to it again....

Not forgetting that Goten was trained by his mother....

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Originally Posted by SRP76

It also shows base kid Gohan sparring with Super Saiyan Goku. I guess that means base Gohan = Super Saiyan Goku, right?

This:

He was obviously just going easy on him, which is the point of proper training. You can't expect the weaker person to get stronger by getting pummelled over and over again, they need a bit of a chance to catch up.

This is all i need to determine the Pl of Goten and Trunks

SRP76 · 07-20-2008

It's hilarious that so many people put more stock in one panel on a TITLE PAGE than on the numerous factors that take place in the actual story.

Evil Vegeta · 07-20-2008

It's also hilarious how important factors like that are ignored, but when SSJ Trunks fires a beam that makes #18 end the battle, it's consider flawed to believe they're above her. I guess we can just consider the training between Gohan/Goten & Vegeta/Trunks simple training sessions, and no more. Heck, I'm sure SSJ Goku didn't go all-out against SSJ Gohan in the rosat, but the kid somehow got stronger then him.

What other factors are we not talkin about?

SSJ4 Vegito · 07-20-2008

Everyone is stating shit like "It's a sparring session" when you actually look at Gohan's expression both times does it look like he's taking it easy on Goten. Even so "Super" Vegeta was nothing to the Suppressed Perfect Cell who is nothing compared to Gohan. I mean seriously he trained with Goten for the entire month.
Also Android 18 said Mighty Mask was strong and then she called SSJ Vegeta a weakling in the Android Saga and said he wasn't all that great. Those are just some things I've come across.

Evil Vegeta · 07-20-2008

Wow! That's the first time I've ever seen you curse.

I agree with you, though. Android #18 even makes a point to fire a beam at this go who's 100x weaker then her, and she never used any beams against SSJ Vegeta. If she see's the weird guy gettin into aerial combat with her, then she knows he's not normal.

Remixxx · 07-20-2008

Just to point out

Vegeta used a beam against Pui Pui and he s like 1/100 th vegetas power ..so a beam can have a Pl of 5

Evil Vegeta · 07-20-2008

In order to advance, they had to blow their opponents away. Android #18 called Vegeta a weakling, she said Mighty Mask was a strong weirdo, but if he's as weak as many think, why would she even use energy on someone who's supposed to be a human?

Broly · 07-20-2008

18 wanted to end the fight quickly using Kienzan. That's the point. She felt pushed towards that action...perhaps by their overwhelming power???

07-20-2008	#99 (permalink)
SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 39	Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18 It's hilarious that so many people put more stock in one panel on a TITLE PAGE than on the numerous factors that take place in the actual story.

07-20-2008	#101 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,482 Rep Power: 138	Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18 Everyone is stating shit like "It's a sparring session" when you actually look at Gohan's expression both times does it look like he's taking it easy on Goten. Even so "Super" Vegeta was nothing to the Suppressed Perfect Cell who is nothing compared to Gohan. I mean seriously he trained with Goten for the entire month. Also Android 18 said Mighty Mask was strong and then she called SSJ Vegeta a weakling in the Android Saga and said he wasn't all that great. Those are just some things I've come across.

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Remixxx (24) Super Saiyan 4 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Planet Neptune Posts: 3,458 Rep Power: 70	Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18 Just to point out Vegeta used a beam against Pui Pui and he s like 1/100 th vegetas power ..so a beam can have a Pl of 5 __________________

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Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,543 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 33	Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18 18 wanted to end the fight quickly using Kienzan. That's the point. She felt pushed towards that action...perhaps by their overwhelming power??? __________________ $C:\Users\Silver Platter\Pictures\Broly_SSJ5_by_Gothax.jpg$