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Old 07-19-2008   #61 (permalink)
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Default Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18

Even if you only consider SSJ Goten around SSJ Vegeta during the Android saga, his base should be stronger. That would mean his multiplier is way around 60x or more.
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Default Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18

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I see him around MSSJ Goku's power when he fought Cell, maybe a bit weaker.
I'm assuming you mean when they're both relaxed...?

What's your multiplier then?
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Default Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18

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Why?
Nobody believe yours arguments about " A-18 > Saiyans (Post-Rosat) "
So, Why you don't enter in the forum with "Spiderman" or "Sub-Zero" to help yourself.
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Even if you only consider SSJ Goten around SSJ Vegeta during the Android saga, his base should be stronger. That would mean his multiplier is way around 60x or more.
Okey let his base be stronger ...what should his base be then for that multiplier
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I'm assuming you mean when they're both relaxed...?
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What's your multiplier then?
I use a 10x for a SSJ multiplier for Goten & Trunks.

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Okey let his base be stronger ...what should his base be then so that he could have the pl of Vegeta in the android saga
Well, it all depends. Goku's base was 3,000,000 when he transformed, and we know he trained on Yardrat, then the three years for the Androids. So if you believe his base is around 8-10,000,000 after that, then it would pretty understandable. Vegeta was stated to probably have surpassed Goku a few times, ad we know he trained in 300x gravity, but we don't know in which of the three years he learned SSJ. So, I would think, if you believe Goten's SSJ form is around SSJ Vegeta, his base should be at least 8-10,000,000 at the least.
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Default Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18

18 wins very easily. I don't understand why anybody would put kids at such high power levels. Even if he turned SSJ she would win.
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Why would they lose in SSJ form?
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18 wins very easily. I don't understand why anybody would put kids at such high power levels. Even if he turned SSJ she would win.
It's because evidence in the manga contradicts them being that weak. I don't see why people think that they're weak because they're...kids. Gohan was a SSJ2 at age 9, and they're already super saiya-jins at a younger age. Point is, age =/= power.
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Thank you Evil_Vegeta really your are the man..here you have one more rep from me

Edit:_I must spread it a bit ..i already repped you like two time in these few day

Here you go SSJ 4 VEGITO some rep your cool too seriouslly
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Lol, thanks. Hope I explained okay.
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EVEN THOUH THE GRAVITY PROVED THA HE CANT BE THIS HIGH ...let me COPY PASTE IT AGAIN

Mirat Trunks while entering the Rosat for the first time didnt have any problems moving in it at all and he actually didnt even made a single comment about it..And he never experienced anything more then earths gravity and he wasnt used to it....So he was just strong enough to handle it easilly

#Gohan also while entering the Rosat for the first time just said that "his body feels heavier"..And thats all...he just comment it .....And he was also abel to easilly handel the gravity because he was just strong enough

#Base Trunks while training for the Budokai wasnt abel to move at 150 and he also never experienced anything more then earths gravity...But as soon as he turned SSJ he was abel to move so easilly without a single problem...So if he wasnt used to it he still wouldnt be abel to move no matter his SSJ form....

#We have a clearlly statment from King kai saying"That the gravity is the main reason why the saiyans are so strong".....

#Then we have Vegeta training in a 300 gravity room..Actually we dont see him training we just see him asking The Doctorto built a gravity room of 300x...Then we just have one pic of him sweating and standing and thats all..So we cant proof what gravity was on or was it during the training or if he just finished up the training

#And the last part is that Goku as a child entered the Rosat but couldnt even stay one month there and still needed to get stronger to move around better in the 10x gravity....And Goku as a child never got strong enough in the Rosat to handle the 10x gravity and put in there extreme amount of air and the high temeperatures where too much for him to handel and he was "made" to leave.....And Goku training there as a kid was not mentioned until Cell saga...and its probabaly a plot-device and just because to have an excuse to have Goku know about this room...And Goku on King Kais spent several months on Kais planet while still needing to get stronger to move around better in x10 gravity and here he got strong enough to handel it unlike the time as a child


SSJ could cause her troubel but base no way
1. Well 150 times gravity is not the same thing as 10x gravity and in the flashback of the anime Trunks states that the gravity was one of the things that made training there tough.
2. Like I said 150 times gravity vs. 10 times gravity BIG Difference. Just the fact that Gohan could actually feel it (Even though he is well into the Millions at this point) Where as Goku (Saiyan Saga) didn't even feel it after his training. Yes, he was able to do it but he still felt it Goku didn't even feel 10x gravity after the Namek Saga. Yet Gohan in the Android Saga is well into the Millions and he still felt it because, he has never experienced anything greater than 1g.
3. Well yes he wasn't use to the gravity at the time but Trunks in his SSJ Form was just plain good enough not to be affected by the Gravity.
4. Well of Course they are naturally strong but 10x gravity will naturally make you strong but another reason why they got to the levels they did is because, of all the fighting they do day in and day out. One Mortal wound occurs and then the Saiyans get a huge Zenkai so Gravity isn't the only thing that makes the Saiyans strong.
5. So Vegeta with a PL in the Millions isn't able to handle 300x Gravity no problem. That right there says that you have to get used to it. Plus think about this Vegeta was on his knees in 300g and he's already used to 10g so that's 30 times what he's used to. Trunks was doing 150x what he is used to odviously it will be a struggle at first.
6. I see what your saying but it's not only the 10x gravity in the ROSAT it's also the Cold/Hot temperatures King Kai's place didn't have either of those things. Plus Goku never really mastered 10x Gravity as a kid since it was too big of a leap for him, ALONG with the varying temperatures. However after 1 month there he never did it again for almost 8 years than he tried it again it still gave him alot of trouble but he was able to overcome it because, of the consistent temperature.

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1. Well 150 times gravity is not the same thing as 10x gravity and in the flashback of the anime Trunks states that the gravity was one of the things that made training there tough.
2. Like I said 150 times gravity vs. 10 times gravity BIG Difference. Just the fact that Gohan could actually feel it (Even though he is well into the Millions at this point) Where as Goku (Saiyan Saga) didn't even feel it after his training. Yes, he was able to do it but he still felt it Goku didn't even feel 10x gravity after the Namek Saga. Yet Gohan in the Android Saga is well into the Millions and he still felt it because, he has never experienced anything greater than 1g.
3. Well yes he wasn't use to the gravity at the time but Trunks in his SSJ Form was just plain good enough not to be affected by the Gravity.
4. Well of Course they are naturally strong but 10x gravity will naturally make you strong but another reason why they got to the levels they did is because, of all the fighting they do day in and day out. One Mortal wound occurs and then the Saiyans get a huge Zenkai so Gravity isn't the only thing that makes the Saiyans strong.
5. So Vegeta with a PL in the Millions isn't able to handle 300x Gravity no problem. That right there says that you have to get used to it. Plus think about this Vegeta was on his knees in 300g and he's already used to 10g so that's 30 times what he's used to. Trunks was doing 150x what he is used to odviously it will be a struggle at first.
6. I see what your saying but it's not only the 10x gravity in the ROSAT it's also the Cold/Hot temperatures King Kai's place didn't have either of those things. Plus Goku never really mastered 10x Gravity as a kid since it was too big of a leap for him, ALONG with the varying temperatures. However after 1 month there he never did it again for almost 8 years than he tried it again it still gave him alot of trouble but he was able to overcome it because, of the consistent temperature.

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1)That happend in the anime.....But still i know its not the same but going by gettin used to it he should still struggel but he didnt

2)He just commented it ...Nothing more..That was only done for us to know that the gravity is different....and if he is not strugling or having a hard time moving then it because he is strong enough

3)The onyl respond to this is Trunks couldnt do 150X in base but when he turned SSJ the problems dissapaered...If getting used to it has so much affect then he would still struggel not matter what form he is in

4)I know Because of the training and the gravity

5)We dont know what gravity was on while vegeta trained..we just have a picture of him sweating without indication what gravity was on..We onyl know that he wanted a rom of 300x

6)Thats what i said either..because of the Cold/Hot temperatures he leaved the room and his lack of power to train in there and Btw he didnt even stayed a month there..And Goku training there as a kid was not mentioned until Cell saga...and its probabaly a plot-device and just because to have an excuse to have Goku know more about this room...And Goku on King Kais spent several months on Kais planet while still needing to get stronger to move around better in x10 gravity and here he got strong enough to handel it unlike the time as a child...
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It's because evidence in the manga contradicts them being that weak. I don't see why people think that they're weak because they're...kids. Gohan was a SSJ2 at age 9, and they're already super saiya-jins at a younger age. Point is, age =/= power.
The evidence shows that they are strong for their age but that doesn't show exactly how strong they are. The problem is that they haven't fought anybody that is easy to compare to.

I seriously doubt Goten and Trunks were stronger than Namek Goku.
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They're not stronger then Goku on namek in their SSJ form? What?
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Default Re: base Goten(post-rosat) vs android 18

That's not what I said.

Base Goten (post-rosat) > Base Goku (namek) > Base Goten (pre-rosat)
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