remixremix

i have him on the same spot as ssj vegeta in the android saga since the gravity showed that he cant be this strong at all.....

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USSJed

SSJ Goten seems to be like 70%+ of SSJ Gohans strength, gravity really doesn't mean anything.

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USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000

remixremix

And how so?..it was proven that it has



#Mirat Trunks while entering the Rosat for the first time didnt have any problems moving in it at all and he actually didnt even made a single comment about it..And he never experienced anything more then earths gravity and he wast used to it....So he was just strong enough to handle it easilly

#Gohan also while entering the Rosat for the first time just said that "his body feels heavier"..And thats all...he just comment it .....And he was also abel to easilly handel the gravity because he was just strong enough

#Base Trunks while training for the Budokai wasnt abel to move at 150 and he also never experienced anything more then earths gravity...But as soon as he turned SSJ he was abel to move so easilly without a single problem...So if he wasnt used to it he still wouldnt be abel to move no matter his SSJ form....

#We have a clearlly statment from King kai saying"That the gravity is the main reason why the saiyans are so strong".....

#Then we have Vegeta training in a 300 gravity room..Actually we dont see him training we just see him asking The Doctorto built a gravity room of 300x...Then we just have one pic of him sweating and standing and thats all..So we cant proof what gravity was on or was it during the training or if he just finished up the training

#And the last part is that Goku as a child entered the Rosat but couldnt even stay one month there and still needed to get stronger to move around better in the 10x gravity....And Goku as a child never got strong enough in the Rosat to handle the 10x gravity and put in there extreme amount of air and the high temeperatures where too much for him to handel and he was "made" to leave.....And Goku training there as a kid was not mentioned until Cell saga...and its probabaly a plot-device and just because to have an excuse to have Goku know about this room...And Goku on King Kais spent several months on Kais planet while still needing to get stronger to move around better in x10 gravity and here he got strong enough to handel it unlike the time as a child


So yes its a great inicator

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USSJed

So you think Goten is like, PL 50,000 with a x100,000 multiplier for SSJ?

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USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000

remixremix

Please leave numbers and multipliers out of this....I just wanted to show that base goten CANT be this strong at all....max 10 millions in base

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USSJed

I have him at 6 million. And sorry, but we do have to use some kind of multiplier. Fact of the matter is, SSJ Goten is weaker than SSJ Gohan, but not by much. If he goes from 10 million to SSJ Gohan's power level, then he must become many many times stronger from turning SSJ.

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USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000

remixremix

Yes we do but i dont deal with those kinds of thing...... i belive that he is weaker by much.....I dont get why people tend to judje his power from just a sparring seasion with Gohan....who didnt train for 7 YEARS and who is out of shape and who s a RUST saiyan......not forgeting that it was jus training because we where also abel to see Base Gohan pre android sparing with SSJ Goku ..so does it means that base Gohan is as strong SSJ Goku ...No it does not it was just training

So thats why i dont belive tha SSJ Goten ever surpassed The android in power

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SSJ4 Vegito

Yes, but we only see one drawing of SSJ Goku sparring with Gohan and Piccolo with Goten and Gohan we actually see the fight. Besides Goku doesn't look like he's struggleing at all. With Gohan he's actually avoiding Goten's attacks not just once but there is even a 2nd time where they were training and Gohan was still sweating and besides we see that he still has SOME of his Old skills when he's able to control his power enough to not kill a bunch of random burglers. So I doubt he lost alot of basic skills.
Gohan also says that if he doesn't keep up his training Goten and Trunks will both surpass him.

remixremix

Yes but still it shows that both of them only used a fraction of their true power...

Gohan didnt train for 7 YEARS 7 YEARS ....If he doesnt train for 7 years and doesnt have a partner for 7 years to sparre with its definitlly gonna be a schock to him and to his body to sudenlly have a SSJ as a sparring partner after 7 years since he was out of shape and a RUSTY SSJ.

Imagine yourself not doing any training for seven years you will obviouslly get weaker and if you try to do the same amount of weights that you did seven years before you aint gonna make it since you are out of shape and you definitlly gonna need time to get used to it again.

Yes he did say that probbaly because they became SSJ so fast and at such a young age and he probably doesnt know how fast they can become strongr since they already are SSJ wich he needed a lot more to achieve

Not forgeting Vegeta supposedly being 10x stronger in ape form and fighting Goku, who can still dodge his attacks despite being les than 1/10 the power level. It also shows that they are only using a fraction

But at the end the gravity showed that he cant be that strong at all at least in my opinion