Base Goku(Freeza Fight)vs Tien, Yamcha, Krillin(Cell Saga) - Page 4

Frieza the Tyrant · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by SuperTien

hahaha, SO Tien wasn't damaged after nappa karate chopped his arm off; unless Tien says: " Ahhhhh, my arm! it's been cut off! IAM DAMAGED!"

lol

I doubt his Chi was severely reduced.

Evil Vegeta · 07-18-2008

I kinda think it was. He could only use his Ki-Ko-Ho with one arm, which means, it's not going to be as powerful.

Frieza the Tyrant · 07-18-2008

The point is that if someone really is damaged from an attack, it is usually announced. Goku states Frieza is getting weaker to the point where he is not even a challenge anymore, the disc that cut Frieza, Vegeta weakened so much by the Spirit Bomb that he can't even take great ape Gohan etc.

Physical damage is not always a sign of Ki damage or if it is it can be considered neglible. Most Ki Attacks concentrate the latent energy in the body and release them from a single spot so getting a hand cut off wouldn't weaken the attack by much.

Goku even stated that Gohan's broken arm against Cell was not holding his power back, it was merely his own attitude that made him think that it did.

SSJ4 Vegito · 07-18-2008

Well I still think that there is just minimal damage done to Recoome but nothing serious when the damage is noteworthy, then they'll say something. However I don't even the Androids could stand that attack. I mean if it was holding Cell it definatly could at least injure the Androids.
So yeah, one shot of that and Goku would be dead however I don't see it going that way I mean Tien didn't use the attack against the Cell Juniors or the Androids so there isn't any guarantee he'll use it here. I could see it going like this:
Tien: Alright, time to see how much my training did.
Krillin: Why do we have to fight Goku?
Yamcha: Y-Yeah.
Goku: Hehe, c'mon it's not like I'm gonna kill you. Anyway Good luck.
<Goku gets into his fighting stance and so do Tien, Krillin and Yamcha, then Goku disappears behind Krillin and yamcha and knocks them out-cold>
<Goku then appears in front of Tien and hits him in the gut and then knocks him out>
Goku then gives them Senzu beans and Tien, Krillin and Yamcha all continue their training.

Frieza the Tyrant · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Well I still think that there is just minimal damage done to Recoome but nothing serious when the damage is noteworthy, then they'll say something. However I don't even the Androids could stand that attack. I mean if it was holding Cell it definatly could at least injure the Androids.
So yeah, one shot of that and Goku would be dead however I don't see it going that way I mean Tien didn't use the attack against the Cell Juniors or the Androids so there isn't any guarantee he'll use it here. I could see it going like this:
Tien: Alright, time to see how much my training did.
Krillin: Why do we have to fight Goku?
Yamcha: Y-Yeah.
Goku: Hehe, c'mon it's not like I'm gonna kill you. Anyway Good luck.
<Goku gets into his fighting stance and so do Tien, Krillin and Yamcha, then Goku disappears behind Krillin and yamcha and knocks them out-cold>
<Goku then appears in front of Tien and hits him in the gut and then knocks him out>
Goku then gives them Senzu beans and Tien, Krillin and Yamcha all continue their training.

Lol, I'm gonna rep you for that.

EDIT: Hmm, it appears I'm going to have to wait before repping you again.

Ichigo Kurosaki · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Well I still think that there is just minimal damage done to Recoome but nothing serious when the damage is noteworthy, then they'll say something. However I don't even the Androids could stand that attack. I mean if it was holding Cell it definatly could at least injure the Androids.
So yeah, one shot of that and Goku would be dead however I don't see it going that way I mean Tien didn't use the attack against the Cell Juniors or the Androids so there isn't any guarantee he'll use it here. I could see it going like this:
Tien: Alright, time to see how much my training did.
Krillin: Why do we have to fight Goku?
Yamcha: Y-Yeah.
Goku: Hehe, c'mon it's not like I'm gonna kill you. Anyway Good luck.
<Goku gets into his fighting stance and so do Tien, Krillin and Yamcha, then Goku disappears behind Krillin and yamcha and knocks them out-cold>
<Goku then appears in front of Tien and hits him in the gut and then knocks him out>
Goku then gives them Senzu beans and Tien, Krillin and Yamcha all continue their training.

Yeah, that sounds about exactly how the fight would go.

**Majuub** · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by SuperTien

Cell didn't have time to dodge it becuase the time he used was him standing in fear. Cell sensed tien's ki right before he fired it. Then he looked up to see tien getting ready to fire down apon him.

The blast did cause damage, burn or scratch marks that at always used from big attacks.

duh it just held him back. Tien does not have a high enough powerlevel to destroy cell only hold him back. Tiens neokikoho is stronger than all of piccolo's reminaing energy blast. 16 said he's not even scratched or hurt after that shot, whcih would have killed 17.

But Tien scratched the next form cell and knocked him into a super saiyan hole of pain. Cell was mentally hurt that tien hurt him and prevented him from getting A18. A16 and A18 where also amazed at the attacks effectivness and ability.

A 16 told " you there, run for your life." But instead tien stayed and actually amazingly hleped them and did it well, far abouive what anyone would have guessed.

I would guess that the technique would wound first form cell after human life extract decently , probably kill him before human extract. We have no way of knowing but HE DID DO SLIGHT BODY DAMAGE.CELL WAS TERRIFIED AND SURPRISED.

Tien even had Akira's super powerful ghostly energy smoke things twirling around him in the manga, like master roshi did in dragonball, like its going to be an amazing attack.

Maybe it was because Cell was smashed onto the ground and the friction caused scratches and burns? The Kikoho didn't damage Cell, if it did, it would have been somewhat more visible. By that, I mean, Cell would have been weaker, slower or less resistant. Was there any signs of him losing energy?

Devilz, good point, there was scratches and burns on Recoom, he even lost teeth. Was he damaged a single bit? No, he wasn't as he pwned Vegeta easily without showing any signs of power loss. Just like Cell. His appearance was damaged, but his energy remained the same, meaning all the damage done was shallow.

uki1234 · 07-18-2008

Tien alone with Neo-Tri Beam would annihilate him.

**Majuub** · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Tien alone with Neo-Tri Beam would annihilate him.

Goku knows Tienshinhan, the Kikoho wouldn't kill Goku in one blast and Goku wouldn't let him do it.

uki1234 · 07-18-2008

Nope, I'm sure Goku in that era would have no clue how strong his neo tri beam is.

**Majuub** · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Nope, I'm sure Goku in that era would have no clue how strong his neo tri beam is.

Goku knows about the Kikoho and its effects, he would know Tienshinhan's power by sensing it, therefore he would know how powerful a Kikoho from Tienshinhan would be. Simple logic.

uki1234 · 07-18-2008

Yea, but if Neo-Ki ko ho = regular ki ko ho, the one he saw by Frieza saga, Tien would be in tens of millions at least...

USSJed · 07-18-2008

There was steam coming up from Cell, which indicates that he has been burned to at least a slight degree. Notice how Kikoho's 2-4 show Cell Vibrating not being pushed down, and even if he was being pushed down he is not smashing through the Earth, the Kikoho would be making a hole and he's just hitting the bottom of it. The attack damaged Cell, it just did not do much damage, like Cell's PL dropped from 530,000,000(my list) to 528,000,000

**Majuub** · 07-18-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

There was steam coming up from Cell, which indicates that he has been burned to at least a slight degree. Notice how Kikoho's 2-4 show Cell Vibrating not being pushed down, and even if he was being pushed down he is not smashing through the Earth, the Kikoho would be making a hole and he's just hitting the bottom of it. The attack damaged Cell, it just did not do much damage, like Cell's PL dropped from 530,000,000(my list) to 528,000,000

Surely not, Cell dropped from 530,000 to 529,999,999.

USSJed · 07-18-2008

So he recieved nearly a x10 increase?

And whats wrong with my numbers, its less than .5% damage.

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Frieza the Tyrant (21) Majin Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,657 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 172	Re: Base Goku(Freeza Fight)vs Tien, Yamcha, Krillin(Cell Saga) The point is that if someone really is damaged from an attack, it is usually announced. Goku states Frieza is getting weaker to the point where he is not even a challenge anymore, the disc that cut Frieza, Vegeta weakened so much by the Spirit Bomb that he can't even take great ape Gohan etc. Physical damage is not always a sign of Ki damage or if it is it can be considered neglible. Most Ki Attacks concentrate the latent energy in the body and release them from a single spot so getting a hand cut off wouldn't weaken the attack by much. Goku even stated that Gohan's broken arm against Cell was not holding his power back, it was merely his own attitude that made him think that it did.

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SSJ4 Vegito (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,575 Rep Power: 43	Re: Base Goku(Freeza Fight)vs Tien, Yamcha, Krillin(Cell Saga) Well I still think that there is just minimal damage done to Recoome but nothing serious when the damage is noteworthy, then they'll say something. However I don't even the Androids could stand that attack. I mean if it was holding Cell it definatly could at least injure the Androids. So yeah, one shot of that and Goku would be dead however I don't see it going that way I mean Tien didn't use the attack against the Cell Juniors or the Androids so there isn't any guarantee he'll use it here. I could see it going like this: Tien: Alright, time to see how much my training did. Krillin: Why do we have to fight Goku? Yamcha: Y-Yeah. Goku: Hehe, c'mon it's not like I'm gonna kill you. Anyway Good luck. <Goku gets into his fighting stance and so do Tien, Krillin and Yamcha, then Goku disappears behind Krillin and yamcha and knocks them out-cold> <Goku then appears in front of Tien and hits him in the gut and then knocks him out> Goku then gives them Senzu beans and Tien, Krillin and Yamcha all continue their training.

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uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	Re: Base Goku(Freeza Fight)vs Tien, Yamcha, Krillin(Cell Saga) Tien alone with Neo-Tri Beam would annihilate him. __________________ First World War, the last defense of Belgrade: "Soldiers! Heroes! The supreme command has erased our regiment from its records. Our regiment has been sacrificed for the honor of Belgrade and the Fatherland. Therefore, you no longer have to worry for your lives - they do not exist anymore. So, forward to glory! For King and Fatherland! Long live the king! Long live Belgrade!" Major Dragutin Gavrilovic - Oct. 1915

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uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	Re: Base Goku(Freeza Fight)vs Tien, Yamcha, Krillin(Cell Saga) Nope, I'm sure Goku in that era would have no clue how strong his neo tri beam is. __________________ First World War, the last defense of Belgrade: "Soldiers! Heroes! The supreme command has erased our regiment from its records. Our regiment has been sacrificed for the honor of Belgrade and the Fatherland. Therefore, you no longer have to worry for your lives - they do not exist anymore. So, forward to glory! For King and Fatherland! Long live the king! Long live Belgrade!" Major Dragutin Gavrilovic - Oct. 1915

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uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	Re: Base Goku(Freeza Fight)vs Tien, Yamcha, Krillin(Cell Saga) Yea, but if Neo-Ki ko ho = regular ki ko ho, the one he saw by Frieza saga, Tien would be in tens of millions at least... __________________ First World War, the last defense of Belgrade: "Soldiers! Heroes! The supreme command has erased our regiment from its records. Our regiment has been sacrificed for the honor of Belgrade and the Fatherland. Therefore, you no longer have to worry for your lives - they do not exist anymore. So, forward to glory! For King and Fatherland! Long live the king! Long live Belgrade!" Major Dragutin Gavrilovic - Oct. 1915

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USSJed (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nuking teh infidelz Posts: 5,396 Rep Power: 89	Re: Base Goku(Freeza Fight)vs Tien, Yamcha, Krillin(Cell Saga) There was steam coming up from Cell, which indicates that he has been burned to at least a slight degree. Notice how Kikoho's 2-4 show Cell Vibrating not being pushed down, and even if he was being pushed down he is not smashing through the Earth, the Kikoho would be making a hole and he's just hitting the bottom of it. The attack damaged Cell, it just did not do much damage, like Cell's PL dropped from 530,000,000(my list) to 528,000,000 __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.

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USSJed (26) Great Elder of Namek Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nuking teh infidelz Posts: 5,396 Rep Power: 89	Re: Base Goku(Freeza Fight)vs Tien, Yamcha, Krillin(Cell Saga) So he recieved nearly a x10 increase? And whats wrong with my numbers, its less than .5% damage. __________________ USSJed: Thats fair enough, but what if, the NKikoho pushed Cell down through Sheer Force, no 'its a pushing attack that does no damage' or 'it mind controlled Cell to make him crash into the ground', just force.What PL would you give Tien, if Cell was 1,000,000,000 Hero: 100,000,000.