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Old 06-12-2008   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Salza vs. Frieza second form

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I've never believed Vegeta was 2x stronger then Zarbon. Piccolo could be anywhere from 1,800,000-2,000,000 depending on his power level when he fought Freeza. If he's around 1,900,000 at the most, what's wrong with Saiza being around 700-900,000 like I said?
I know, that's why I used that as an example. Look at their fight. Zarbon never hit Vegeta, not even once, yet Vegeta only gets a slight advantage because he didn't outright annihilate him. How's the fight with Salza any different at all? It was pretty much the same thing, Piccolo only dominating a little without being able to annihilate him without effort.

What's wrong with it is that Piccolo is 2x stronger than him going by that. that's way too much and I don't think their fight would have lasted anything over 10 seconds if thatw ere the case, even if he was just messing with them.

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Not really hold back, just not tryin to wipe him out with all of his effort. Similiar to how Piccolo thrashed Gero. The disadvantage wasn't as much in this battle, but we can agree that Piccolo could've easily crushed him at that point. All Piccolo did was kick him away like twice everytime he got near him; he wasn't really launching beams at him constantly, or really looked like he was going to use all of effort to finish him.
I agree Piccolo could have killed Gero in one blast if it wasn't for his ability to asbsorb energy, but I don't agree it's a similar case to Salza vs Piccolo. You can clearly see Piccolo is damaging Gero pretty bad with his attacks, while Piccolo never gave any blows that were more than a small inconvenience to Salza (Notice how Piccolo never sent him flying with any of his attacks). Piccolo had to slowly wear him down to the point where he was about to win before Cooler interupted. I also noticed how Piccolo pulled off Gero's arm, showing a huge advantage too.

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I can't counter the surprise thing, but he wasn't that damaged. All Goku did, if I could remember, was powered-up and blew Saiza into the rocks with his energy. I doubt he was that damaged.
Ya, probably not mortally wounded or anything, but he looked like he was in bad shape before Piccolo killed him.

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Thats because they're morons who don't know what their up against and that much was obvious when Salza tried punching Goku in the face to no avail.
That's also saying Cooler is a moron for sending them out to get the one who killed frieza too. Their combined efforts were enough to hinder Goku, that's probably why Salza thought he could hurt Goku (But of course, Goku was probably over 2x stronger).

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Neiz: "I wanna kill the guy that killed Frieza"

Yeah, theres my point. Not happening anytime soon.
Like I said, they've only seen frieza in first form. I

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Yet Salza did not hit him?

Slight advantage= Both characters hit each other multiple times until slight advantage guy wins.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but refer to Zarbon vs Vegeta. Zarbon never hits Vegeta once. Have a look at that fight, compare it to Salza vs Piccolo, then get back to me.
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Old 06-12-2008   #32 (permalink)
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One of the reasons why Piccolo dissassembled Cooler's squadron so quick is because he saw them fight earlier with Goku. It allowed him to exploit their weaknesses much quicker in battle. Someone as strong as Goku was having a harder time with them, not because he was weaker than Piccolo or anything, but because his skirmish with them was more of a defensive maneuver rather than a surprise attack. Dore told Piccolo in the movie that he was going to die, then Piccolo responds,"Not likely, I've seen you fight". This is actually a key indication of what I'm talking about. Obviously, Piccolo surpassed Dore and Neiz, but by how much? It's pretty conclusive that they weren't at a level where he could just destroy them easily enough in one punch or so, but it takes a bit more effort. Dore and Neiz have to be around 850,000, since Piccolo combated them with his weighted clothing removed. Salza is definately a bit stronger than them. He could not be defeated as easily, and did last a good deal longer than his comrades. He tried to fend Piccolo off, but Piccolo's attack on Salza was a surprise attack. Salza thought Neiz had finished him, so he was pretty off-guard at that moment, allowing Piccolo a window of oppurtunity in order to get an upperhand on Salza quickly. As you can see from the video, Piccolo quickly confronted Salza and gave him a few good hits after killing Neiz. Then Salza was on the defensive. He wasn't strong enough to overturn the tables, but his energy blade is arguably powerful enough to slice Piccolo, no?
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If PL 10,000 Krillin could slice of Frieza's tail (and presumably slice Frieza himself in half), when Frieza is 100x stronger than him, of course Salza could do the same to Piccolo.
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But then why would Piccolo attempt to dodge it, or stop the driven energy blade? It's obvious it would do serious damage to him if he let it hit 'em.
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If PL 10,000 Krillin could slice of Frieza's tail (and presumably slice Frieza himself in half), when Frieza is 100x stronger than him, of course Salza could do the same to Piccolo.
Krillin is as strong as transformed Zarbon by then

remember Guru awoke his hidden power and when he powered against Ginyu Force. They were startled. I believe Krillin was 20,000-30,000( even though that doesnt make a good difference)

I will go with Frieza on this one, even though it could be close at points
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salza is weak
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