Base Gohan vs Yakkon - Page 2

Cableguy15 · 05-25-2008

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@ Cableguy: Goku didn't use full power there, since he said that he was just warming up.

That could also mean that by "Warming up", he was just using his base form and not his stronger forms. And I would like to add that Yakon didn't even have his guard up, yet it was only a minor irratation.

There's really nothing to suggest Goku had anything over a 1.1x advantage over here. Looking at Vegeta vs Dodoria (A 1.2x difference), Vegeta dominated far more than Goku did, and yet you have Goku being 1.25x stronger... It's too much.

~~Yondaime Uzumaki~~ · 05-25-2008

I'm going with Gohan 50% power would take this.

uki1234 · 05-25-2008

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Originally Posted by Cableguy15

That could also mean that by "Warming up", he was just using his base form and not his stronger forms. And I would like to add that Yakon didn't even have his guard up, yet it was only a minor irratation.

There's really nothing to suggest Goku had anything over a 1.1x advantage over here. Looking at Vegeta vs Dodoria (A 1.2x difference), Vegeta dominated far more than Goku did, and yet you have Goku being 1.25x stronger... It's too much.

Yakkon's guard wasn't completely down like Dodoria's. Dodoria got cheap shotted by Vegeta, and he also had only "minor irritation". In fact, he was much more affected cos of near drowning than the strike itself.

Yakkon's skin could be much resilient than humans also.

It only seemed like Goku wasn't dodging easily because he was surprised that Yakkon was strong. He probably expected a weakling like Pui Pui. As I said with the claw Yakkon would be nowhere near hitting Goku. Vegeta knew Dodoria's power and techniques.

USSJed · 05-25-2008

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Goku >> Yakkon, since Yakkon only got his hit cos of his hidden big black claw. Without them his hand would be nowhere near Goku when he scratched him since the claw increases his arm length about 2 times, and EVEN with those claws he obviously needed dark to win the battle.

Now we know that Gohan could see all his movements and wasn't very impressed with Yakkon, although he said that he's pretty fast meaning that Yakkon is beyond his expectations which again doesn't mean much since probably everyone thought that another weakling like Pui Pui will battle them.

He did not obviously need dark to win the battle. He may have needed it, or perhaps Babidi just decided to give him the advantage?

Perhaps it was like this?

Goku=30
SSJ Goku(x50)=1500
SSJ2 Goku(x100)=3000

That seems to fit with everyone's favourite SSJ theory, which means base Gohan would get royally owned by Yakon with his eyes shut and his fingers in his ears.

Devilz · 05-25-2008

SSJ Goku is the one with 3,000.

USSJed · 05-26-2008

Oh, I thought the reading was from when Goku turned SSJ2 for a split second...

Goku=60
SSJ Goku(x50)=3000

Regardless, using the multiplier theory, Yakon would own base Goku, and therefore would pick his teeth with Gohan

Cableguy15 · 05-26-2008

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Yakkon's guard wasn't completely down like Dodoria's. Dodoria got cheap shotted by Vegeta, and he also had only "minor irritation". In fact, he was much more affected cos of near drowning than the strike itself.

Yet you still see nothing between Yakon and Goku that resembled that fight.

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Yakkon's skin could be much resilient than humans also.

I'm going to need some proof of that, being an alien doesn't automatically make his skin "More resiliant", though I doubt it would matter if Goku was so much stronger.

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It only seemed like Goku wasn't dodging easily because he was surprised that Yakkon was strong. He probably expected a weakling like Pui Pui. As I said with the claw Yakkon would be nowhere near hitting Goku. Vegeta knew Dodoria's power and techniques.

Yes, well regardless, proof of base Goku having a 1.25x advantage here is none existant. It's fine for you to make your own guesses, but you shouldn't treat it as an established fact, not when there's no proof at all.

uki1234 · 05-26-2008

1.25x is my guess, and I didn't say its a fact, only that it doesn't seem right for me to put him lower than 1.2x, since in normal(without dark, and hidden claws) fight Goku would own Yakkon, because Yakkon couldn't lay a "hand" on him.

About the skin: I said that there is a chance.

USSJed · 05-26-2008

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1.25x is my guess, and I didn't say its a fact, only that it doesn't seem right for me to put him lower than 1.2x, since in normal(without dark, and hidden claws) fight Goku would own Yakkon, because Yakkon couldn't lay a "hand" on him.

What about Yakon 26.6x Goku? Makes sense to me.

uki1234 · 05-26-2008

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Originally Posted by USSJed

What about Yakon 26.6x Goku? Makes sense to me.

Because you don't use your brain.

Yakkon intended to kill Goku. If he was 26.6x stronger, than he would have done it instantly.

Cableguy15 · 05-26-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Because you don't use your brain.

Yakkon intended to kill Goku. If he was 26.6x stronger, than he would have done it instantly.

He was being sarcastic, but I think he illustrated my point anyways.... You can pretty much guess that either of them was stronger than the other.

Hypothetically, I could say that Yakkon was a little stronger than base Goku, and there's no evidence that really proves me wrong since it was by no means a one-sided fight at all.

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1.25x is my guess, and I didn't say its a fact, only that it doesn't seem right for me to put him lower than 1.2x, since in normal(without dark, and hidden claws) fight Goku would own Yakkon, because Yakkon couldn't lay a "hand" on him.

It seemed an awful lot like you were treating it as the only possibility....

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Ok, so what we know:

Goku >> Yakkon

USSJed · 05-27-2008

Please tell me that Uki is the only one who didn't notice the half arsed-ness of the fight. To me it looked like two fighters warming up at most, then Yakon eats too much energy and explodes.

uki1234 · 05-27-2008

Explain then why didn't Yakkon hit Goku for ONCE during their fight(without tricks like hidden claws), and I'm not even counting the element of surprise because Goku was obviously surprised to have such strong opponent(not like Pui Pui), and his face expressions while he was dodging the first punch proves how surprised he was.

So Goku > Yakkon.

deckzone3000 · 05-27-2008

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Originally Posted by uki1234

Explain then why didn't Yakkon hit Goku for ONCE during their fight(without tricks like hidden claws), and I'm not even counting the element of surprise because Goku was obviously surprised to have such strong opponent(not like Pui Pui), and his face expressions while he was dodging the first punch proves how surprised he was.

Goku was surprised at Yakon's speed, not his strength.

USSJed · 05-28-2008

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Explain then why didn't Yakkon hit Goku for ONCE during their fight(without tricks like hidden claws), and I'm not even counting the element of surprise because Goku was obviously surprised to have such strong opponent(not like Pui Pui), and his face expressions while he was dodging the first punch proves how surprised he was.

So Goku > Yakkon.

Explain then why didn't Goku hit Yakon for ONCE during their fight(without tricks like sensing Ki), and I'm not even counting the element of surprise because Yakon was obviously surprised to have such strong opponent(not like the majin soldiers he ate in the anime), and his face expressions while he was being hit by Goku's sneaky punch proves how surprised he was.

So Yakon > Goku.

05-25-2008	#17 (permalink)
~~Yondaime Uzumaki~~ Banned Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 25 Rep Power: 0	Re: Base Gohan vs Yakkon I'm going with Gohan 50% power would take this.

05-26-2008	#21 (permalink)
USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nuking teh infidelz Posts: 5,602 Rep Power: 105	Re: Base Gohan vs Yakkon Oh, I thought the reading was from when Goku turned SSJ2 for a split second... Goku=60 SSJ Goku(x50)=3000 Regardless, using the multiplier theory, Yakon would own base Goku, and therefore would pick his teeth with Gohan

05-26-2008	#23 (permalink)
uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	Re: Base Gohan vs Yakkon 1.25x is my guess, and I didn't say its a fact, only that it doesn't seem right for me to put him lower than 1.2x, since in normal(without dark, and hidden claws) fight Goku would own Yakkon, because Yakkon couldn't lay a "hand" on him. About the skin: I said that there is a chance.

05-27-2008	#27 (permalink)
USSJed (27) Lord Enma Join Date: May 2008 Location: Nuking teh infidelz Posts: 5,602 Rep Power: 105	Re: Base Gohan vs Yakkon Please tell me that Uki is the only one who didn't notice the half arsed-ness of the fight. To me it looked like two fighters warming up at most, then Yakon eats too much energy and explodes.

05-27-2008	#28 (permalink)
uki1234 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,204 Rep Power: 11	Re: Base Gohan vs Yakkon Explain then why didn't Yakkon hit Goku for ONCE during their fight(without tricks like hidden claws), and I'm not even counting the element of surprise because Goku was obviously surprised to have such strong opponent(not like Pui Pui), and his face expressions while he was dodging the first punch proves how surprised he was. So Goku > Yakkon.