Broly

That's a damn huge gap Jack.

I have LSSj Broly [Movie 10] around SSj2 Kid Gohan, perhaps stronger. If anything, it would be a sweet match between Broly and SSj2 Vegeta.

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vicdmx

Wow.

just wow.

SSJ2 Vegeta would defeat LSSJ Broly with ease and SSJ4 Goku would just fire him a very weak energy blast and Broly would be dead.

End of story.

Ames

WAIT! You are forgetting LSSJ Broly has the ability to ascend to LSSJ4. Then, noone would be able to stop him.......... Hold on, that is kind of saying every DB villian would be the strongest (if they were still alive).

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Prince Vegeta

LMAO SSJ4 Goku? Base Kid Goku in GT can obliterate Broly without using anywhere near his full power so use your imagination on what SSJ4 Goku would do.

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T-1000

I am agree. If Kid Goku can defeat easily Cell in GT. Broly would be easily to.

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Ok, I want to settle this once and for all; I don't care if it's the wrong forum to do it in....

I want to see one shred of proof showing me that Broly is on SSJ2 level. Let's hypothetically assume that everyone was MSSJ and ASSJ in movie 8 (That's not my belief, but for the sake of the argument...) Broly dominated them all, yet Perfect cell at full power (Who is clearly inferior to SSJ2) could easily do the same thing. Someone give me some proof that broly is stronger than perfect cell.

Better yet, someone give me proof that Gohan was a SSJ2 in movie 10 (If possible), because that seems to be the basis of every Broly fan's argument who happen to think he's above SSJ2 power. The only thing I've heard is "Sharper hair textures" and I'm not buying it, not one bit. There's no sparks, no mentioning of SSJ2, no secondary power up for SSJ2... Nothing of the sort.

So I for one would like to see an explanaination as to why everyone thinks Broly is so damn strong, when he's shown nothing over Perfect cell's power.

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Prince Vegeta

Lets not forget that Broly was also obliterated by the collection of the half dead warriors...

Everything you said is valid. But I think there's absolutely no excuse for assuming the saiyans in that movie were FPSSJ/USSJ. But if for some reason people choose to be ignorant and ignore that notion, there's always the fact that you presented here.

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centaurhades

Whoa what? Broly vs. SSJ4 Goku?
don't kid here
I put him above USSJ2 but below SSJ2.

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Broly

Alright then, let's do this. My belief that Gohan was SSj2 in Movie 10 is not the basis of my argument, but the cornerstone, or pinnacle. It's what I've come to the conclusion of after analyzing Broly's power for a couple years. I used to just render Gohan as a MSSj in Movie 10, but after realizing a few truths I decided that he was in fact SSj2. What are these supposed truths, you say? Well, the first one I noticed was the fact that the Movies 12 and 13 exhibited SSj2s without sparks, and the animators look to have switched with others after Movie 9. By Movie 10, you can easily tell that the DBZ Movies' art and drawing had been upgraded from what it was. Kinda had that Buu Arc feel to it.

Second thing I noticed was the fact that Broly received a Zenkai in Movie 10 because he was severely wounded through the chest. At that point in power he was at in Movie 8, he was literally residing in a power range which was the leaping point for SSj2. We saw the state achieved through rage, training, and even by a Zenkai [Cell]. Now, before you decide Broly's power in Movie 10 you must first decide his power in Movie 8, and that means it all comes down to whether Goku and Gohan were MSSjs in Movie 8 or not, you choice. So, if you think Goku and Gohan were MSSjs in Movie 8, then Broly would have to be multiple times stronger than them. And if you took into account the OVA Movie, which TOEI did assemble into a movie, then this would only make sense because of Goku's and Piccolo's statements in that feature, claiming Broly and Hatchyack are nigh equal, and making mention of Mr. Satan. They never saw Mr. Satan until Goku and Gohan were well out the RoSaT. So Goku's statement indicates something important here. Back to Movie 10. Taking my points into mind, this is why I think it's very very possible for him to have received the same power-up as Cell did through the Zenkai he received after his very near-death experience. This would just make Gohan look stupid if he was about to combat Broly who is stronger than he was before, by a lot, and he was gonna fight him in a state that was weaker than what he first fought Broly in. It wouldn't make sense.

Also, you can see Gohan's hair make two different appearances whilst in his super states. The first time he transforms we see him clearly with one hair-bang coming across his face, with a hairstyle very similar to SSj2. Second time he transforms, he has two hair-bangs coming across his face [when he was firing his Super Kamehameha], like if he were merely Super Saiyan. When they made this movie, it was around the time of the Saiyaman arc, I believe, when Gohan's SSj1 and SSj2 were distinctive. What's your feedback on this?

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RandomPenguin

Broly is weak SSJ4 Goku would just have to swing his tail and the gush of air would kill broly... simple

but if broly has faggy fanboyism power up he could take on 1 mega-trillion SSJ4 Gokus while drinking Tea with Vegeta

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Now for you.

Broly was beaten by a powered-up Goku, but the power Goku received from his comrade's current states was easily determinable as insufficient for granting Goku as much power as he was shown to have when he defeated Broly. It's simply impossible, and it's obvious that whoever wrote the script for the Movie just wasn't thinking. There's actually quite a lot of "excuses" to support Goku and Gohan as MSSjs in Movie 8. I won't bother typing up a stom though, so you'll have to visit the "Commentary on Broly" thread. Not to sound as if I know everything on Broly, but that is where I explain just about all the reasons why I think they were MSSjs in Movie 8.

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Cyrax

Very Simple.
Broly (Movie 8) was beaten be just one MSSJ.
Broly (Movie 10) was beaten be three MSSJ.
Broly (Movie 11) was beaten by the water.
I don't understand why Broly is compared with Cell.

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The end of Movie 8 truely sucked.

Broly>>>>>Goku
Broly>>>>>Gohan
Broly>>>>>Vegeta
Broly>>>>>Piccolo
Broly>>>>>Trunks
Broly>>>>>Goku with power from Piccolo, Trunks, Gohan
Goku with power from Piccolo, Vegeta, Trunks, Gohan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Broly

Thats fucking stupid

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The ending was stupid but I believe I hit the nail on the head so people know what happened:

Check out my first quote in post #29

Transformed Bojack vs. Broly

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SSJ4 Vegito

Well your post contains a good point, however he Goku wasn't falling because of his own fatigue he was knocked back by the Explosion in Broly's body it's also apparent that Goku found the time to get Gohan, Trunks, Piccolo, Gohan & everyone else into the Capsule Corp. ship so I believe Goku was quite a margin better than Broly but your right that Goku didn't just throw any old punch, but I suppose the ending was complete Shit in the end but you had a good idea though.