Base Goku (Any level of Kaioken, Android Saga) vs. 70% Freiza

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-08-2008

Okay, I know some of you believe Goku can't do Kaioken after becoming a Super Saiyan but please if you believe that just humor me on this one kay?

Well anyway this is BASE Goku (Android Saga) using any level of Kaioken all the way up to x20 if he wants against 70% Freiza. So who wins?

Evil Vegeta · 05-08-2008

Nice one, Vegito.

I think Goku would probably win against 70% Freeza. I would think Goku's base power was around 8-9,000,000 after the training. I could see Freeza being around 90,000,000 or somethin, which would be around Goku's power with the Kaioken upgrade; so, the 20x increase would make short work of Freeza.

Devilz · 05-08-2008

If I use my SSJ multiplier then Goku would win.

Evil Vegeta · 05-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Devilz

If I use my SSJ multiplier then Goku would win.

What is your SSJ multiplier?

Devilz · 05-08-2008

255,000,000/6,750,000 = 37.77777777777x

Evil Vegeta · 05-08-2008

Damn, that's one hell of a multiplier.

NarutoFan · 05-08-2008

70% Freeza - 84,000,000
Base Goku (Android Saga) - 6,000,000
Kaio-Ken x20 -120,000,000

With these numbers, I place Goku, using Kaio-Ken x20, on par with Freeza at full power. A 2x increase, Goku having a level of three million at the end of the Freeza Arc, as the result of his training in preparation for the Androids isn’t out of the question.

**Zer0** · 05-08-2008

~~My Super Saiya-jin Goku can beat your's Devilz. :/~~

I'd give the win to Goku. Even with the lowest base level used during that Arc a Kaio-Ken x20 would handle Freeza easily.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

Nice one, Vegito.

I think Goku would probably win against 70% Freeza. I would think Goku's base power was around 8-9,000,000 after the training. I could see Freeza being around 90,000,000 or somethin, which would be around Goku's power with the Kaioken upgrade; so, the 20x increase would make short work of Freeza.

Thanks man. I think Goku would win too.

stefzed54 · 05-08-2008

Base Goku using Kaiokenx20 would absolutely pwn 70% Freiza, and could beat 100% Freiza.

RandomPenguin · 05-08-2008

well of course with the extra training goku would win what else did you expect...

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-08-2008

I dunno... I've always had issue with people being able to gain massive power through training unless its through special circumstances, like with Kami or King Kai.

Given that Goku's 20x couldn't even match up with Freeza's 50% form, who managed to deflect the Kamehameha fairly easily, you'd have to get at least a 100% increase in power, probably more along the lines of 150%. Of course, that's for 100% Freeza.

Is this impossible? No, not at all. Do I think it's likely that he managed to increase his power that much from the Freeza saga without benefitting from near-death augmentations? Jury's still out on that one, but I think against 70% Freeza it may be possible.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-08-2008

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Originally Posted by Vagrant Lustoid 2

I dunno... I've always had issue with people being able to gain massive power through training unless its through special circumstances, like with Kami or King Kai.

Given that Goku's 20x couldn't even match up with Freeza's 50% form, who managed to deflect the Kamehameha fairly easily, you'd have to get at least a 100% increase in power, probably more along the lines of 150%. Of course, that's for 100% Freeza.

Is this impossible? No, not at all. Do I think it's likely that he managed to increase his power that much from the Freeza saga without benefitting from near-death augmentations? Jury's still out on that one, but I think against 70% Freeza it may be possible.

Well Goku did say it took him alot of practice to learn Instant Transmission AND to master the concept of going Super Saiyan at will. So if someones training hard they'll odviously get a massive power up. Plus Goku could have asked Bulma's Dad for a gravity machine if his normal training with Piccolo & Gohan wasn't working.

Madness · 05-08-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Well Goku did say it took him alot of practice to learn Instant Transmission AND to master the concept of going Super Saiyan at will. So if someones training hard they'll odviously get a massive power up. Plus Goku could have asked Bulma's Dad for a gravity machine if his normal training with Piccolo & Gohan wasn't working.

Goku's too nice to do that. And I don't the power rise was huge at all. Not after Zenkai's died out.

SSGokuTim · 05-08-2008

I think Goku would defeat 70% Frieza rather easily. And there's nothing, absolutely NOTHING to suggest Goku loses the ability to perform Kaioken after becoming a Super Saiyan. He just didn't need it anymore. His strongest Kaioken that he ever used was Kaioken x20. If the SSJ multiplier is 50, which would you choose to beat your opponent? The 20x power up or the 50x power up? I agree that Goku was around 6 million in base in the android saga.

Goku (Base): 6,000,000
(Kaioken x20): 120,000,000
Super Saiyan Goku: 300,000,000

05-08-2008	#1 (permalink)
SSJ4 Vegito (18) Artificial Human Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 927 Rep Power: 2	Base Goku (Any level of Kaioken, Android Saga) vs. 70% Freiza Okay, I know some of you believe Goku can't do Kaioken after becoming a Super Saiyan but please if you believe that just humor me on this one kay? Well anyway this is BASE Goku (Android Saga) using any level of Kaioken all the way up to x20 if he wants against 70% Freiza. So who wins?

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Zer0 Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 8,610 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 37	Re: Base Goku (Any level of Kaioken, Android Saga) vs. 70% Freiza ~~My Super Saiya-jin Goku can beat your's Devilz. :/~~ I'd give the win to Goku. Even with the lowest base level used during that Arc a Kaio-Ken x20 would handle Freeza easily. __________________ \|Work in Progress Signature\| \|Bleach Power Levels\| \|Movie Power Levels\| \|Databook Statistics\|

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Vagrant Lustoid 2 (13) Great Ape Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 278 Rep Power: 2	Re: Base Goku (Any level of Kaioken, Android Saga) vs. 70% Freiza I dunno... I've always had issue with people being able to gain massive power through training unless its through special circumstances, like with Kami or King Kai. Given that Goku's 20x couldn't even match up with Freeza's 50% form, who managed to deflect the Kamehameha fairly easily, you'd have to get at least a 100% increase in power, probably more along the lines of 150%. Of course, that's for 100% Freeza. Is this impossible? No, not at all. Do I think it's likely that he managed to increase his power that much from the Freeza saga without benefitting from near-death augmentations? Jury's still out on that one, but I think against 70% Freeza it may be possible.

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SSGokuTim (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Youtube, owning noobs Posts: 184 Rep Power: 1	Re: Base Goku (Any level of Kaioken, Android Saga) vs. 70% Freiza I think Goku would defeat 70% Frieza rather easily. And there's nothing, absolutely NOTHING to suggest Goku loses the ability to perform Kaioken after becoming a Super Saiyan. He just didn't need it anymore. His strongest Kaioken that he ever used was Kaioken x20. If the SSJ multiplier is 50, which would you choose to beat your opponent? The 20x power up or the 50x power up? I agree that Goku was around 6 million in base in the android saga. Goku (Base): 6,000,000 (Kaioken x20): 120,000,000 Super Saiyan Goku: 300,000,000 __________________ ________________ GT Power Levels, revised: http://anime.myfavoritegames.com/ani...er-levels.html