Base Goku (Any level of Kaioken, Android Saga) vs. 70% Freiza - Page 2

Madness · 05-08-2008

Plus the fact that the Kaioken is unstable, and could potentially fuck your body up.

Vagrant Lustoid 2 · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by SSJ4 Vegito

Well Goku did say it took him alot of practice to learn Instant Transmission AND to master the concept of going Super Saiyan at will. So if someones training hard they'll odviously get a massive power up. Plus Goku could have asked Bulma's Dad for a gravity machine if his normal training with Piccolo & Gohan wasn't working.

I subscribe to the theory of depreciating gains. When you're that strong, training, unless in extraordinary conditions, shouldn't increase your power too greatly.

For instance, an Olympic level runner may train hard every day for the year coming up to the Olympics, but it's not going to double his speed. It'll maintain his speed, perhaps a small edge. Now, in DBZ, it's somewhat different, because the levels they reach already shoot far past the average, so the depreciation of power gains wouldn't be as extreme, but I definitely think it's there.

SSJ4 Vegito · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by Madness

Goku's too nice to do that. And I don't the power rise was huge at all. Not after Zenkai's died out.

Well its not like he knew that Dr. Breifs was occupied with Vegeta. Plus its to save the planet when it comes to that sort of thing Goku somehow manages to convince people. Also Zenkais seem to be merely a plot device that Akira only used when he needed them. He brought it back when Cell needed to be powered up to fight Gohan. I guess there was just no need for Zenkais in certain points in time.
It also it took him quite awhile to learn those 2 things so it should give him a pretty good increase. Plus not to mention he was on-par with Vegeta (Android Saga) who wasn't even worried about the Androids even after witnessing the Androids take SSJ Trunks' blast full force with no damage (He sensed his SSJ power from when Trunks flew after him in SSJ mode so he knows how strong Trunks is so really he didn't consider it impressive to take a full force blast from Trunks with no damage).
Also in the Trunks Saga, Trunks said that Goku was "Greater than the stories" when he met him. So Goku should be a pretty good margin stronger than Trunks from that era. So if you ask me with all those points considered I'd say Goku got a pretty damn big increase over the course of 4 years.
I'll admit at first glance the training conditions aren't exactly first class but we don't know what the conditions are like on Yardrat and just the fact that Goku stayed there for 1 year tells me that they odviously had something special. We don't know what kind of training Goku did but like I said he was able to keep up with Vegeta (Who trained in pretty harsh conditons) so he must have been doing something. He could have sparred in the Mountains where it's extremely cold, or something to that effect. I don't know what they did and neither does anyone else but since he was keeping up with Vegeta I believe he found a way to increase his power significantly.

vicdmx · 05-09-2008

I would give the fight to Goku on this one.

Goku(Kaioken Android Saga)>Frieza70% but if it was 80% or his full power goku would be PWNED.

deckzone3000 · 05-09-2008

I have them around-
Frieza 70%: 98,000,000
base Goku: 6,000,000
So, Goku would need kaioken x17.

05-09-2008	#19 (permalink)
vicdmx (13) Great Ape Join Date: May 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 278 Rep Power: 1	Re: Base Goku (Any level of Kaioken, Android Saga) vs. 70% Freiza I would give the fight to Goku on this one. Goku(Kaioken Android Saga)>Frieza70% but if it was 80% or his full power goku would be PWNED.

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deckzone3000 (16) Master of Kaio-ken Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 560 Rep Power: 3	Re: Base Goku (Any level of Kaioken, Android Saga) vs. 70% Freiza I have them around- Frieza 70%: 98,000,000 base Goku: 6,000,000 So, Goku would need kaioken x17.