Base Goku(End of DBZ) vs Perfect Cell(Supressed) - Page 2

Jack · 05-06-2008

Cell. 100%

sub_zero · 05-06-2008

Cell.

deckzone3000 · 05-09-2008

I pick Cell as well.

I know at least one person that would pick Goku, LegendarySSj7-

Cell [complete] - 6,500,000,000

Son Goku [10 years later] - 18,000,000,000

Kai Hiwatari · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by deckzone3000

I pick Cell as well.

I know at least one person that would pick Goku, LegendarySSj7-

Cell [complete] - 6,500,000,000

Son Goku [10 years later] - 18,000,000,000

Whoa.

stefzed54 · 05-09-2008

I second your whoa..

And add a why?...

Madness · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

I second your whoa..

And add a why?...

Probably because it seems so high. And I third that "whoa".

stefzed54 · 05-09-2008

I wasnt saying why at Kai's "woah"

I was saying why because I want too know why the numbers are so high.

Madness · 05-09-2008

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Originally Posted by stefzed54

I wasnt saying why at Kai's "woah"

I was saying why because I want too know why the numbers are so high.

LSSJ7 moves in mysterious ways... he probably has some abstract, strange reason for it. And he'll explain it at length. With big words.

Devilz · 05-09-2008

No explanation is needed.

**LegendarySSJ7** · 05-10-2008

Well, to be brief to the point, I'd say it's a matter of opinion. The level of progression attained over many a year and how that goes about in relation to the SS and normal states... to be less verbose, none of that is ever set in stone. If anything else, I'd say the SS state and whatever changes made to the augmentation from the "base" state was less that and more a way to move the plot forward (as less SS forms and more breakthroughs, as well as the uncorking of SS power), as Toriyama-sensei probably wasn't intending that level of scrutinization.

But if I had to guess, since my views have changed since then, perhaps about the same. I should also note that by the end of the Boo fight roofs were being hit hard, and auto-evolution augmentations stopped quickly. I feel this goes to show that there's a discrepancy between latent strength and potential. That aside, Goku had never lacked interest in fighting and was trying to create an active hero (Oob) that wasn't mired by complacency and peace by the time the end of DBZ rolled around, so bequeathing his role in that way wasn't too arcane. Furthermore, Vegeta observes that he had no indiscernible ulterior motive. So yes, I'd say he's a good deal stronger, but just that.

But, again, I'd say about equal.

Madness · 05-10-2008

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Originally Posted by LegendarySSJ7

Well, to be brief to the point, I'd say it's a matter of opinion. The level of progression attained over many a year and how that goes about in relation to the SS and normal states... to be less verbose, none of that is ever set in stone. If anything else, I'd say the SS state and whatever changes made to the augmentation from the "base" state was less that and more a way to move the plot forward (as less SS forms and more breakthroughs, as well as the uncorking of SS power), as Toriyama-sensei probably wasn't intending that level of scrutinization.

But if I had to guess, since my views have changed since then, perhaps about the same. I should also note that by the end of the Boo fight roofs were being hit hard, and auto-evolution augmentations stopped quickly. I feel this goes to show that there's a discrepancy between latent strength and potential. That aside, Goku had never lacked interest in fighting and was trying to create an active hero (Oob) that wasn't mired by complacency and peace by the time the end of DBZ rolled around, so bequeathing his role in that way wasn't too arcane. Furthermore, Vegeta observes that he had no indiscernible ulterior motive. So yes, I'd say he's a good deal stronger, but just that.

But, again, I'd say about equal.

He heard us! Duck and cover!

Why don't you post here more often LSSJ7? We miss your abstract language and purple tones. I for one would love to lock horns with you (though I'll probably lose); it'd be an experience.

Anyway, back on topic, yes it is all opinion, as is most of DBZ past the Freeza Arc. And I for one find that the idea that Goku reaching the level of 100% Freeza in base to be rather silly. Hell, it might be right, but it seems stupid to me.

gkrt · 05-10-2008

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Originally Posted by LegendarySSJ7

Well, to be brief to the point, I'd say it's a matter of opinion. The level of progression attained over many a year and how that goes about in relation to the SS and normal states... to be less verbose, none of that is ever set in stone. If anything else, I'd say the SS state and whatever changes made to the augmentation from the "base" state was less that and more a way to move the plot forward (as less SS forms and more breakthroughs, as well as the uncorking of SS power), as Toriyama-sensei probably wasn't intending that level of scrutinization.

But if I had to guess, since my views have changed since then, perhaps about the same. I should also note that by the end of the Boo fight roofs were being hit hard, and auto-evolution augmentations stopped quickly. I feel this goes to show that there's a discrepancy between latent strength and potential. That aside, Goku had never lacked interest in fighting and was trying to create an active hero (Oob) that wasn't mired by complacency and peace by the time the end of DBZ rolled around, so bequeathing his role in that way wasn't too arcane. Furthermore, Vegeta observes that he had no indiscernible ulterior motive. So yes, I'd say he's a good deal stronger, but just that.

But, again, I'd say about equal.

How do you do that?

Mr-Blonde_139 · 05-11-2008

Goku is 1.333x stronger... but that's thanks to a goof on my list that put Cell 1.333x stronger in his Cell Games appearance than his first appearance. With help from Devilz, I fixed that so Goku was using 37.5% in the warm-up, and Karin-sama's statements of Cell being "a little" stronger than 50% MSSj Goku were Karin-sama sensing Cell's hidden chi rather than simply comparing 50% MSSj Goku and supressed perfect Cell.

I always type funny after reading a post by LegendarySSj7 :p

Anyhow, numbers:

Perfect Cell (warming up): 4,500,000,000
50% MSSj Goku: 6,000,000,000
Base Goku (end of DBZ): 6,000,000,000

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deckzone3000 (17) Super Saiyan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: USA Posts: 654 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 0	Re: Base Goku(End of DBZ) vs Perfect Cell(Supressed) I pick Cell as well. I know at least one person that would pick Goku, LegendarySSj7- Cell [complete] - 6,500,000,000 Son Goku [10 years later] - 18,000,000,000

05-10-2008	#25 (permalink)
LegendarySSJ7 Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,538 Rep Power: 20	Re: Base Goku(End of DBZ) vs Perfect Cell(Supressed) Well, to be brief to the point, I'd say it's a matter of opinion. The level of progression attained over many a year and how that goes about in relation to the SS and normal states... to be less verbose, none of that is ever set in stone. If anything else, I'd say the SS state and whatever changes made to the augmentation from the "base" state was less that and more a way to move the plot forward (as less SS forms and more breakthroughs, as well as the uncorking of SS power), as Toriyama-sensei probably wasn't intending that level of scrutinization. But if I had to guess, since my views have changed since then, perhaps about the same. I should also note that by the end of the Boo fight roofs were being hit hard, and auto-evolution augmentations stopped quickly. I feel this goes to show that there's a discrepancy between latent strength and potential. That aside, Goku had never lacked interest in fighting and was trying to create an active hero (Oob) that wasn't mired by complacency and peace by the time the end of DBZ rolled around, so bequeathing his role in that way wasn't too arcane. Furthermore, Vegeta observes that he had no indiscernible ulterior motive. So yes, I'd say he's a good deal stronger, but just that. But, again, I'd say about equal. __________________

05-11-2008	#28 (permalink)
Mr-Blonde_139 (11) Student of Lord Kaio Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 177 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 1	Re: Base Goku(End of DBZ) vs Perfect Cell(Supressed) Goku is 1.333x stronger... but that's thanks to a goof on my list that put Cell 1.333x stronger in his Cell Games appearance than his first appearance. With help from Devilz, I fixed that so Goku was using 37.5% in the warm-up, and Karin-sama's statements of Cell being "a little" stronger than 50% MSSj Goku were Karin-sama sensing Cell's hidden chi rather than simply comparing 50% MSSj Goku and supressed perfect Cell. I always type funny after reading a post by LegendarySSj7 :p Anyhow, numbers: Perfect Cell (warming up): 4,500,000,000 50% MSSj Goku: 6,000,000,000 Base Goku (end of DBZ): 6,000,000,000 __________________ My Dragon Ball Z power levels: *http://mr-blonde-139.livejournal.com/.html*