Jonny America

Continue off of the Balanced Pwr thread in the Art section. Go.

Reference: SSJ2 Vegito Vs Itachi (balanced power)

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

One Genjutsu, and anyone trapped within is dead. ;]

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Jonny America

My questions are these:

Can you enslave the mind of someone millions-billions of times stronger than you?

If Vegito were trapped in Tsukoyomi, could he over load Itachi's world by releasing his Ki(Going SSJ2 and beyond)?

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Nikushimi

*grumbles* Someone beat me to making the topic...

So yeah,

1. Raditz cannot move anywhere NEAR the speed of light; that's a dub line.

2. Like I said, unless Vegeto does that IMMEDIATELY, and I mean NO screwing around, he's going to get raped, because Itachi acts immediately, and it all comes down to who acts immediately faster. Unfortunately for Vegeto, and all other DBZ characters, it's unlikely he'll do anything of the sort without bragging first, or taunting Itachi, or making fun of his low PL. Which of course, means he's as good as dead, because at that point, Itachi already has him caught in an illusion.

To simplify the scenerio a bit:


Itachi: ...

Super Vegeto: *staring Itachi straight in the eyes* Ha! Your powerlevel is pathetic! You don't honestly think you can beat me, do you?

Itachi: ...Your way is inefficient, and your hatred is weak... *mind H4x*

Super Vegeto: What the fu-?! *begins choking self* AGHJFLGHJKAHPGABH!!!!!!!!!!!! *dies*

Itachi: *pauses, then glances casually at his nails and decides its time to repaint them*




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Once in the Tsukuyomi, there is no such thing as "stronger than Itachi". ;(

Lulzworthy. Even if such a thing were possible, you really think Itachi wouldn't stop him? Srsly, he controls space, time, and physical mass, like a god, and anything he wants happens. Chances are, Vegeto will be totally immobilized, totally incapable of focusing energy, and Itachi will be relentlessly torturing him until he dies.

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Bow to the King.

Island of 1,000 Condiments

Physical power has nothing to do with mental capacity.

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Jonny America

However, imagine the reflexes of the Z fighters. From what I've seen(referring to anime, so you can choose to reject this) all Sharingan techniques revert the three pupils towards the middle in a spiral, release outward, and then the attack is in effect. However, this doesn't guarantee Vegito would teleport away, but he would know something is up. And think about it, in a situation where the attack would hit Vegito, he might knock out, or even more so, Goku and Vegeta have dealt with death hundreds of times, a technique like Tsukoyomi might not even phase him. He might even just come out and sodomize Itachi with his own nail polish bottle.

Edit in respond to Island's post: But how would he obtain control over his Chi/Chakra network(the only way Genjutsu works) if the capacity of Chakra is that much larger than his own?

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

Itachi's eyes change.

That's not different than powering-up, in a sense.


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Pure speculation.

Kakuzu rips his victims chest open, removes the heart, and leaves his prey's corpse on the ground to rot. Zetsu eats others, living or dead. Sasori's victims become his puppets. Kisame shaves his victim's skin off for a slow & painful death. Therefore, they are immune to Genjutsu, too? Your logic there is flawed.

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SS2 Vegeto

I don't see why they'd instantly know they were going to die, since someone with a fairly pitiful power level was staring at them. And no, once you are in Tsukoyomi, if Itachi wants to kill you, you die, period, unless your powers literally surpass time, space, mind, your own consciousness..

Itachi would die if he did it..like, more than once, at which point, they'd be like "Hey! We can't look in his eyes! You're finished!", and then, like..obliterate him. But if they stared, and got trapped in Tsukoyomi..their lives are in his hands, and that's all there is to it.

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Jonny America

But what I'm saying to you is this, what if the pain is simply not enough to have a mental impact on Vegito?

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warcrack

Not to sound fanboy-ish, but we may be underestimating Vegetto here.

After the fusion, Vegetto turned super saiyan and began owning Boo. We later learn that he was planning to overwhelm Boo into convincing him to absorb himself. This shows that Vegetto has an excellent sense of planning and strategy; he knew what to do immediately upon his creation.

If someone could be nice enough to explain Itachi's traits/skills please... *feels embarassed*

In response to Jonny America's other question, if Vegetto was placed into a mentally torturous illusion, under the control of Itachi, then the outcome would depend on his mental strength, not his power level.

Also, if Vegetto and Itachi had equal physical strength then what do you think the outcome of their fight would be?

SS2 Vegeto

If you look him in the eyes, while he activates mangekyo sharingan, you are trapped in an illusion, a mental dimension that Itachi controls as God, where space, time, and all things are controlled by his will, and it takes affect instantly in real time, while days might pass in the world of Tsukoyomi, completely at his mercy, subject to any kind of torture that he might desire, and at any time, if he so pleases, he can kill you, and there is nothing you can do about it. You will die.

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Jonny America

Itachi can wrap your mind in a world inwhich he can control the mass of objects, the space and speed in which things move, and how fast time goes by. He can also make you live anything he wants, and he can create a black flame that can burn any substance. That is about as much as we know.

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Majuub

If we look at it that way, the pain can't have no effect. Itachi controls everything with this, even if you're SSJ4 Gogeta, appearantly, once you're trapped in his world, you're doomed. Time, space, he controls it, and no one except God can control time and space, well, that's for the moment. They'll probably do something and make Naruto capable of counter his Genjutsu and that'll make him not as strong as he was and Nikushimi will be pissed off...

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Jonny America

But Kakashi remained conscious after it. Whatever, I believe Vegito would still have the mental stability to annihilate Itachi.

Next question: How would Vegito fair against a direct hit from Amaterasu? Let's pretend he's that slow.

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warcrack

Neat. What would compel him to use such a technique? It seems to be one of his more advanced ones; or does he just use it on everyone so that he doesn't dirty his hands with actual fighting?