Island of 1,000 Condiments

Itachi is not arrogant, nor are all Uchiha.


Secondly, there is nothing to shut down. I was stating facts. None of my previous post was opinion, nor was I leaning toward any side. More importantly, none of your Scans show. If you're looking for an argument, don't provoke one with me. I was neither siding with or against Itachi in that specific post. Instead, I was stating facts for Itachi which non-readers wouldn't know about. Take your argument elsewhere. Do not, and I repeat, do not, try to shut down my facts, and drag me into your DB/Z vs. Naruto nonsense. Because I never finished the DB/Z/GT series, I cannot make an accurate judgment.

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In addition, you cannot compare dimensions between two different series. Tsukuyomi is nothing like the Time Chamber. It is the manifestation of the victim & Itachi's mind brought forth at Itachi's command. It can be anything, anywhere, and most importantly any length of time Itachi wishes. Also, who ever stated Tsukuyomi, if it's an independent dimension, was ever parallel to Naruto's Earth?

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BurningVegeta

Sorry to change the subject but i'm still in deep thought, to Dragonball Z, would you say Goku has Ki and Chakra?

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

There is no Chakra in the DB/Z/GT universe.

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BurningVegeta

well that killed the post, Itachi has no control over person in DB/Z/GT as he cannot control ones chakra as they have none.

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

Uh, Itachi doesn't control other's Chakra. O_o

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Zer0

Isn't that how Genjutsu works?

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BurningVegeta

thats what my posts have been about O_o I'm sure they are Island!!

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Nikushimi

Now, watch as I utterly crush you:

Wrong. In every single one of those instances, the characters waited around and, had the enemy been Itachi, gave time for Genjutsu to be initiated. Goku did not just own Recoom immediately. He stood around talking to Kuririn and Gohan, then he glared at Recoom, and THEN he attacked. Vegeto stared at Pocus/Pui Pui and let him talk, then let him attack. Even Piccolo powered up before attacking 17, which you said yourself. In all of those instances, if the opponent was Itachi, they would have lost.

Purely your assumption. They're close enough to being the same for general comparison, but if they were the exact same, there's really no telling how Itachi would react. Although it's certain that he would no what he was dealing with, since he always has his Sharingan activated.

You apparently aren't very observant, given that Itachi is not cocky. He says shit, it gets done. Period. He is better than everything else in existance that draws breath, and he is aware of that, and he is not afraid to state that. That is not the same as being cocky. He recognized the pointlessness of starting a war with the most powerful Shinobi Village ("starting", not even "losing"), and he recognized the pointlessness of fighting Jiraiya in a weakened state to capture Naruto, with ANBU on the way (while Kisame insists that he could've done it regardless).

'The hell? DBZ IS bland. INCREDIBLY so. As far as story-telling is concerned, Naruto's story is much better. It has a little something that we in the writing community like to call a "plot" (and as fractured as that plot has become in the current arc, it still edges out over the sweaty "RAW vs. Smackdown" man-brawlz of DBZ). But honestly, let's not get into that argument; this entire section will go up in flames, topics will be locked, etc.

Sorry- you phail. ;(



Tsukuyomi is not just a dimension. It is a dimension that Itachi controls COMPLETELY, as a GOD. His will governs EVERYTHING; if he wishes it, Vegeto would have the consistency of gelatin. As far as shattering dimensions, again, Itachi controls the space completely, so he can make the dimension too dense to break. But Vegeto won't have time to even TRY breaking out, because Itachi will have him totally subdued, just like Kakashi, and torture him, afflict him with unimagineable pain, or even simply kill his ass. There is no way around it. He controls time, space, and physical mass. It is NOTHING like the RoSaT; for you to make that comparison is just...unbelievable.

As far as Amaterasu is concerned, it's hotter than the sun. Stated in the databooks. It cannot be put out, and burns for seven days (if I'm remembering the length of time correctly). Stated in the databooks. Its execution is unknown. He might simply ignite particles; it doesn't necessarily have to be a blast. Which means, he could potentially cause Vegeto to combust by staring at him.




In response to Majuub, Vegeta+Goku does not equal "instant kill"; whatever his intentions, he was dealing with Buu, the next most powerful being in the universe and someone he knows to be dangerous. That doesn't make Vegeto any less arrogant. Had it simply been a battle, with no ulterior goal (i.e., absorption), there's no doubt in my mind that Vegeto would stand there, looking at him, maybe even let him attack first, or power up, or something. Because that is EXACTLY what every other character in DBZ does.

As far as those metals being in the androids is concerned, who's to say (especially in a fictional world like DBZ)? But Sandaime Kazekage's magnetism is electromagnetism. So...shut them down, for the win? And just a sidenote, it was stated that ANY metal weapons were rendered detrimental if used against him, which means, he could probably turn them magnetic even if they weren't iron, cobalt, or nickel. Again, this is chakra we're talking about.

Speaking of which, about Vegeto having better Ki/chakra control... No. Gotenks making ghosts was done as a quirky, inconsistant-with-the-rules trick. And actually, other characters, such as Tien, can use Multi-Form, which requires Ki, to split themselves into different bodies. That's definitely high-level. And don't use Vegeto lecturing Buu on Ki to say that he's smarter than Gotenks and Piccolo about it, because...it's freaking Piccolo. Vegeto is Goku and Vegeta, neither of whom are smart in any sense of the word. But back to the techniques, that actually puts my side of the argument in a better position, because in fact, it proves that Ki IS malleable in a similar fashion as chakra, eliminating that established difference. So either way you wanna argue it, I gain new footing and the discussion expands. And anyway, compare ANY act of Ki control in DBZ to the common act of chakra control exhibited by walking on water in Naruto (which is not simple mid-air suspension like flying in DBZ, but an actual foothold taken on a liquid medium, which requires constant and precise adjustment to keep from sinking, though shinobi less skilled than Itachi can do it without thinking about it).

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

Genjutsu attacks the mind, not Chakra.

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Mastermind~Shu

Thought you might want to know, that, Masashi Kishimoto was INSPIRED by DB/Z. He said so, in case you didnt already know. He may not agree with you on that part about storyline and fighting style.

But I agree, lets not go there.

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Namek Arc > The other ones.

BurningVegeta

Yes but it uses, chakra to enter the mind. The user controls the victims chakra, if this wasn't the case the realese would be useless.

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ANB

Wow JC...you don't know anything about DBZ :|

Goku talked to the others because he was CONCERNCED about them. Guess what? In this scenario there is no one for him to worry about :P And yes, he did immediately beat Recoome. Same with Burter (only it took longer since there were two dudes and they moved really fast). When he was a kid in the Budokai, all the opponents he knew to be weak he immediately knocked them out. A prime example is PanPoot (Someone you probably don't even know, rofl). Even Tenshinhan didn't waste time who was evil.

Matter of fact, the character's dispatching of weak opponents with a grin on their face became a comedy-relief TRADITION and eventually an archetype in shonen (Seen in Yu Yu Hakusho for example)

The other points :)

Vegeta...killed Pocus outright. Read the fight again, it barely covers a chapter. Piccolo is a brilliant fighter, the attack (if you actually saw it) is designed to make the opponent dodge on purpose so they can get overconfident. Then they are WTFpwnt. Guess what? It was so popular Kishimoto integrated a similar technique into his own manga (The Rain Ninja who fought Gaara :O )!

Re-read even 1 graphic novel, several characters, good or evil, rape opponents who would otherwise waste their time. Taunting, scowling, humilating, these are things Itachi is famous for. So I don't get why your getting on Vegerot's ballz.

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Nao, on to you counter-attack:


"Itachi is God in his realm!"

Yeah, so...? Kami was literally god and held jurisdiction over the ROSAT. It was built by actual (In the fiction sense) "Gods". Even when their powers were in the billions during the Cell saga it held up. Then...Boo fires his lazer and it rips a freaking hole. Through the fabric of space. Last time I checked, Itachi wasn't>>>Universal limitations. And if he is, why is he such a wimp compared to anyone with a power-level over 9,000???

Vegerot>>>>>>Gohan>>>Super Boo (The one shown capable of destroying dimensional barriers).

^He knows the attack too.

"Itachi freezing is your assumption"

Well shit, people won't stop mentioning chakra/chi analogies. Don't just get on my case :/

"Amatseru"

Ahem, I shouldn't have to get into this. SSJ Goku lived through lava unscathed. In the Cell saga they can destroy the sun. Like Trunks did against Freeza, Vegerot could play with it and then throw it back at Itachi. YouTube - The King Vegito Vs Buu

"Itachi could torture or kill him like he did to Kakashi"

Um no. So far NO ONE has addressed me sounding like a broken record: Vegerot would handle anything used against him. Did not the candy-scan prove that???

"Itachi controls EVERYTHING. He can even make it too dense for Vegerot"

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Let me laugh*






...Okay, if you even read Dragonball (No "Z") in the first volume and you understood the characters rapidly get stronger by the saga then you wouldn't think that way. Or maybe you do. They go from being < 100 and smashing boulders to taking out planets to ripping dimensional barriers. And the sheer force of the chi rumbles the ecosystem and can be felt in different quadrants. Honestly, that was a terrible statement. Unlike Island, you and JAIF let your preferences get in the way of the debate. I'm just looking at all the possibilities and shutting them down one-by-one. Alu Soku Zan.

@Island: I didn't try to make it like you were putting your own opinion. At least, that wasn't my intention. Even SS2 Vegeto knows that I try to "win" (Who is my greatest adversary btw). Your explanations and modest outlooks are noteworthy but I don't have anything against you. 75% of the time I was addressing JC. Your points got dragged into it because...I felt they held the most weight :/ This is a versus battle between two very popular characters. I could be cursing like a sailor and saying "Vegetto is t3h pwn!!! n00bs should read manga". But no, I'm looking at every angle. One strange thing with your approach is that you do not see the glaring similarities and analogies between the two shows. Chakra is similar to ki, thats obvious. Tsukuyomi is another dimension. You yourself used that word and that's what I understand from the manga. I simply used those parallels to point out that even being trapped in a genjutsu wouldn't stop someone as strong as Vegerot.

Sorry if this is frustrating but frankly, I am the least you need to worry about. No offense and I'm not trying to be full of s***. I have held effective converstations--arguements even, with the likes of Legendary SSj7, Speed Phantom, Superior, and of course SS2 Vegeto with little to no modly powers being utetlized. If you want me to categorize my points so they don't get confused with the one's addressing another's (say, JC) I'll gladly do that. And if I don't make enough distinction then fact and opinion then that is my err. If there are too many issues I will simply not post here.

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Island of 1,000 Condiments

Wrong, actually.

Release repels approaching Chakra w/ your own.


Example: During the Chuunin Exams, Sakura used Release to Release her own Chakra, effectively withdrawing the opponent's Chakra. Therefore, by using an equal or greater amount of Chakra as the opposing Genjutsu, you can overcome it. Think of it as something pushing against you. You push back, therefore releasing a greater amount of energy to repel the force. It has nothing to do with controlling an opponent's Chakra. In fact, the only things that are affected in Genjutsu are the mind & senses.

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