Itachi vs. DBZ Characters (Namely Vegito) - Page 3

Island of 1,000 Condiments · 12-19-2007

Some notable points.

Jonny, Itachi didn't want to kill Kakashi. When he learned Kakashi knew of Akatsuki, his goal became to capture him and take him back. Interrogation, perhaps? See what the rest if Konoha know? Who gave them such information? If he wanted to kill Kakashi there, he would've, but as I said, his goal was to capture & take Kahashi with him. This was until Gai appeared & stated reinforcements would arrive soon.
Genjutsu is the manipulation of another's mind & senses. In Naruto, few are immune to high-level Genjutsu, and these characters are trained in Genjutsu themselves. Even then, they'd drop like flies before Itachi, who is easily the best Genjutsuist in Naruto. Anyone in DB/Z/GT would probably fall, if caught in Genjutsu. =/

burningvegeta · 12-19-2007

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Originally Posted by Island of 1,000 Condiments

Some notable points.

Genjutsu is the manipulation of another's mind & senses. In Naruto, few are immune to high-level Genjutsu, and these characters are trained in Genjutsu themselves. Even then, they'd drop like flies before Itachi, who is easily the best Genjutsuist in Naruto. Anyone in DB/Z/GT would probably fall, if caught in Genjutsu. =/

No, any one with a high power level and able to control the power level would be able to resist a Genjutsu.

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He probably wouldn't use it. There wouldn't be a real reason to anyways.

I say Itachi wins. As soon as the battle starts Bejitto would be stuck in a Genjutsu. It would probably be better to match Itachi up against someone like Chibi Buu.

It's funny though. If Chaozu could talk to Naruto for 10 seconds before the fight he'd win...

One Genjutsu, well i figured since i made the thing. That Itachi was using the his Genjutsu to control Vegito's chakra/ki (as stated in Naruto) since Vegito is so much stronger than Itachi in terms of energy levels. Vegito realised what was happening inside his own body and broke the genjutsu, by controlling his own ki, stopping Itachi from doing so. All a person in DBZ would have to do to stop a genjutsu would be to power up, thus unbalaning their chakra.

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Originally Posted by Nikushimi

That wouldn't make him immune to deception.

While Buu's regeneration would be a problem, Itachi would probably realize fairly quickly that his attacks weren't taking effect, at which point, he'd probably use Amaterasu, which is...hotter than the sun, and with Buu in a Genjutsu, there's no dodging it...

Nikushimi lava is also hotter than the sun, but Goku survived it in the Freiza arc, Kid Buu would not have a problem against Amaterasu. I basicly said these things in my animation fight: between Vegito and Itachi.

**Majuub** · 12-19-2007

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

No, any one with a high power level and able to control the power level would be able to resist a Genjutsu.

One Genjutsu, well i figured since i made the thing. That Itachi was using the his Genjutsu to control Vegito's chakra/ki (as stated in Naruto) since Vegito is so much stronger than Itachi in terms of energy levels. Vegito realised what was happening inside his own body and broke the genjutsu, by controlling his own ki, stopping Itachi from doing so. All a person in DBZ would have to do to stop a genjutsu would be to power up, thus unbalaning their chakra.

Nikushimi lava is also hotter than the sun, but Goku survived it in the Freiza arc, Kid Buu would not have a problem against Amaterasu. I basicly said these things in my animation fight: between Vegito and Itachi.

Sorry man, but lava is not close to be hotter or even as hot than the sun. Lava is between 700-1200 C, the sun's surface is like 5000 C, I won't even bother talking about the core lol. Seriously, I' don't remember too well, but I think it's something like 15,000,000.

The cyborgs don't like weaklings, Itachi would try to escape but he would utterly get destroyed. I don't know but, since saiyans are like ''aliens'' than maybe it wouldn't work on them, we would have to go more in depth on that matter.

burningvegeta · 12-19-2007

dam it i was way off. Well if Cooler managed to survive some of himself from the sun, (i know its filler, you don't have to shoot me down) I'm sure Kid Buu can.

**Majuub** · 12-19-2007

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

dam it i was way off. Well if Cooler managed to survive some of himself from the sun, (i know its filler, you don't have to shoot me down) I'm sure Kid Buu can.

It's not even filler it's movie, I don't know if Mr Toriyama can tell wether or not his characters can survive something that hot.

burningvegeta · 12-19-2007

Well i can conclude that we seriosly don't know if Toriyama's characters can survive something that hot, even with a thick wall of Ki protecting them.

Island of 1,000 Condiments · 12-19-2007

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No, any one with a high power level and able to control the power level would be able to resist a Genjutsu.

That's pure, unsupported assumption.

Nothing states that with a higher Power Level comes increased mental capacity.

Nothing.

Anywhere.

Mastermind~Shu · 12-19-2007

Vegerot on terms of power is waaaay outta Itachis league, but we know that.

If it was a pure melee fight, Vegerot wins.

But it isnt and wouldnt.

It comes down to: Who's smarter? Who has better fighting knowledge? Who can figure out the opponents moves quicker? Who faster? Who has a better grasp at strategy?

We dont know if Saiyan brains are the same as humans. We know theyre stomaches sure arent.

Lol, its my fault this thread started.

burningvegeta · 12-19-2007

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

No, any one with a high power level and able to control the power level would be able to resist a Genjutsu.

One Genjutsu, well i figured since i made the thing. That Itachi was using the his Genjutsu to control Vegito's chakra/ki (as stated in Naruto) since Vegito is so much stronger than Itachi in terms of energy levels. Vegito realised what was happening inside his own body and broke the genjutsu, by controlling his own ki, stopping Itachi from doing so. All a person in DBZ would have to do to stop a genjutsu would be to power up, thus unbalaning their chakra.

Wouldn't some one in dragonball Z do this Island, this is me saying many people in DBZ can control their own chakra/ki better than somebody else can e.g. Itachi

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Originally Posted by Mastermind~Shu

We dont know if Saiyan brains are the same as humans. We know theyre stomaches sure arent.

Lol, its my fault this thread started.

These things are irrelevant in a fight though aren't they. We can only uses things we know opinions here are useless.

Island of 1,000 Condiments · 12-19-2007

You're referencing Release - the move used to repel weak Genjutsu during the Konoha Invasion Arc. It is basically an outward flow of chakra. Any DB/Z/GT character doing so is also an unproven assumption. You cannot compare Chakra & Ki, as they are completely different and function differently. For example, Ki seems to be more solid, able to be caught & countered, while raw Chakra is nothing but energy - which is effectively used to create moves. Ki is less focused, while Chakra can be bent into elements, shapes, etc.

Point being, Ki is more destructive, while Chakra is more flexible.

Comparing the two is impossible, therefore nullifying your point.

burningvegeta · 12-19-2007

How could Vegito one of the strongest characters inside DBZ possibly stop a Genjutsu, from Itachi one of Naruto's strongest characters?

Mastermind~Shu · 12-19-2007

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Originally Posted by burningvegeta

Wouldn't some one in dragonball Z do this Island, this is me saying many people in DBZ can control their own chakra/ki better than somebody else can e.g. Itachi

These things are irrelevant in a fight though aren't they. We can only uses things we know opinions here are useless.

Yeah, I guess your right. But I still think we need to know if vegerot could figure out how Itachis jutsu fast enough.

burningvegeta · 12-19-2007

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Originally Posted by Island of 1,000 Condiments

You're referencing Release - the move used to repel weak Genjutsu during the Konoha Invasion Arc. It is basically an outward flow of chakra. Any DB/Z/GT character doing so is also an unproven assumption. You cannot compare Chakra & Ki, as they are completely different and function differently. For example, Ki seems to be more solid, able to be caught & countered, while raw Chakra is nothing but energy - which is effectively used to create moves. Ki is less focused, while Chakra can be bent into elements, shapes, etc.

Point being, Ki is more destructive, while Chakra is more flexible.

Comparing the two is impossible, therefore nullifying your point.

Well you seem to believe in my thoery dude, even though Island threw the whole chakra and ki is different. I'll have to think about, this one.

Goodnight

Island of 1,000 Condiments · 12-19-2007

We're talking a Genjutsu which one only has to look at Itachi's eyes, and they're trapped.

While trapped, Itachi controls his opponent, surroundings, etc, as if he's God.

There's no thought about it.

It's just fact.

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Island of 1,000 Condiments (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,014 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 93	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) Some notable points. Jonny, Itachi didn't want to kill Kakashi. When he learned Kakashi knew of Akatsuki, his goal became to capture him and take him back. Interrogation, perhaps? See what the rest if Konoha know? Who gave them such information? If he wanted to kill Kakashi there, he would've, but as I said, his goal was to capture & take Kahashi with him. This was until Gai appeared & stated reinforcements would arrive soon. Genjutsu is the manipulation of another's mind & senses. In Naruto, few are immune to high-level Genjutsu, and these characters are trained in Genjutsu themselves. Even then, they'd drop like flies before Itachi, who is easily the best Genjutsuist in Naruto. Anyone in DB/Z/GT would probably fall, if caught in Genjutsu. =/ __________________ - Retired Super Moderator - I wasn't demodded. I quit. Stop asking me about it.

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Mastermind~Shu (2) Farmer w/Shotgun Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) Vegerot on terms of power is waaaay outta Itachis league, but we know that. If it was a pure melee fight, Vegerot wins. But it isnt and wouldnt. It comes down to: Who's smarter? Who has better fighting knowledge? Who can figure out the opponents moves quicker? Who faster? Who has a better grasp at strategy? We dont know if Saiyan brains are the same as humans. We know theyre stomaches sure arent. Lol, its my fault this thread started. __________________ Signature by me, PM me if you want me to make you one. Namek Arc > The other ones.

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Island of 1,000 Condiments (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,014 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 93	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) You're referencing Release - the move used to repel weak Genjutsu during the Konoha Invasion Arc. It is basically an outward flow of chakra. Any DB/Z/GT character doing so is also an unproven assumption. You cannot compare Chakra & Ki, as they are completely different and function differently. For example, Ki seems to be more solid, able to be caught & countered, while raw Chakra is nothing but energy - which is effectively used to create moves. Ki is less focused, while Chakra can be bent into elements, shapes, etc. Point being, Ki is more destructive, while Chakra is more flexible. Comparing the two is impossible, therefore nullifying your point. __________________ - Retired Super Moderator - I wasn't demodded. I quit. Stop asking me about it.

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Island of 1,000 Condiments (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,014 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 93	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) We're talking a Genjutsu which one only has to look at Itachi's eyes, and they're trapped. While trapped, Itachi controls his opponent, surroundings, etc, as if he's God. There's no thought about it. It's just fact. __________________ - Retired Super Moderator - I wasn't demodded. I quit. Stop asking me about it.

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