Itachi vs. DBZ Characters (Namely Vegito) - Page 13

Island of 1,000 Condiments · 12-22-2007

Uh, Tsukuyomi is more than being crucified. =/

I'm basically done with this argument, by the way. However, my point still stands. I've seen no Scans, Quotes, etc, which state Chakra & Ki are the exact same type of energy. In all honesty, this is turning into back & forth argument, where you're comparing logic from a series & applying it into another. I've seen multiple examples, and it's getting no where, fast. =/

Fred · 12-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Island of 1,000 Condiments

Uh, Tsukuyomi is more than being crucified. =/

I'm basically done with this argument, by the way. However, my point still stands. I've seen no Scans, Quotes, etc, which state Chakra & Ki are the exact same type of energy. In all honesty, this is turning into back & forth argument, where you're comparing logic from a series & applying it into another. I've seen multiple examples, and it's getting no where, fast. =/

Yerp ^^.

Also, it doesn't seem like, even when provided with substantial evidence, that either side would concede either way.

**SS2 Vegeto** · 12-22-2007

Majuub: Buu got "special treatment". The others were just eaten and killed, whereas Buu was absorbed. That doesn't change the fact that he was still alive after being changed into candy, otherwise there would be nothing to absorb.

ANB: Uh, too bad she was already stepped on and crushed by the time that was said, ANB. Too bad you ignored our points, too, and had him do anything in Tsukoyomi that Itachi didn't want to happen. Unless Itachi wanted to fail and die.

**Majuub** · 12-22-2007

Yeah, He BUU got some special treatement, it means Aku Buu let Buu alive in his candy form on purpose. Normal humans just die. It's like with Dabura, he didn't recieve special treatement, therefore he died right when he was turned into a candy. Mr Buu wasn't absorbed since, he just wasn't, we saw he was just eaten, Dabura also was eaten but there was no power up since he was dead, Buu is a completely different matter, when he was eaten that obviously wasn't an absorption, it was different. Anyways, it seems we can't really tell, this argument is going nowhere, I'm done with it. Sorry but really, this is pointless.

ANB · 12-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Island of 1,000 Condiments

Uh, Tsukuyomi is more than being crucified. =/

I'm basically done with this argument, by the way. However, my point still stands. I've seen no Scans, Quotes, etc, which state Chakra & Ki are the exact same type of energy. In all honesty, this is turning into back & forth argument, where you're comparing logic from a series & applying it into another. I've seen multiple examples, and it's getting no where, fast. =/

1) Sooo, you are claiming that anything Itachi does can affect Vegerot? HOW? Chi isn't Chakra. Chakra isn't Ki. Vegerot doesn't have chakra.

In other words: NOTHING Itachi does would even affect Vegerot hypothetically since it requires chakra and implores chakra to harm the opponent.

2) So basically, this is a debate over brains triumphing against brawn and vice-versa? It isn't going anywhere because people make double-standards for their characters. I have only been doing the opposite.

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ANB: Uh, too bad she was already stepped on and crushed by the time that was said, ANB. Too bad you ignored our points, too, and had him do anything in Tsukoyomi that Itachi didn't want to happen. Unless Itachi wanted to fail and die.

I didn't ignore anything. I even drew a parody to show how crazy this is.

If Vegerot/anyone can be physically altered by Itachi then it is through chakra. If it isn't, then what; magic?

If it's magic then it's no different from Boo's henka beam. No matter what Vegerot is turned into his will-power is invincible.

I think his willpower>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Itachi's. Boo (Who is <<<Super Boo three<<<<<<Super Vegerot) broke. Through. A dimension. If chi and chakra can't be used then it's a fist/skill battle. Guess who wins

Itachi would die in panel #5

Island of 1,000 Condiments · 12-22-2007

How does any of my post even relate to what you said in response?

In fact, my second paragraph wasn't even responding to you. O_o

**SS2 Vegeto** · 12-22-2007

By the sheer force of "invincible" willpower? That sounds like a pure presupposed opinion to me, let alone unsupported. This has nothing to do with turning him into anything, it has to do with him being totally subject to whatever Itachi decides, and needing his permission to pass wind. It is a position in which all forms of resistance is no resistance at all.

Also..if Itachi's opponent was Vegetto, why on earth would he use Amaterasu first, and not Tsukoyomi immediately? If you put them into a crossover match-up at all, it's only fair to apply the conditions of both worlds..according to the Naruto universe, everyone has chakra. Whether it is ki or not, if Vegetto was living, he would have a chakra circulatory system in this kind of set-up. Also, as far as the distinction between chakra and ki goes...

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First of all, chakra, by it's actual definition may be distinctly different from something like ki, but Kishimoto himself has stated that this was not his intended use. He didn't base it off any of that, he basically needed some sort of energy, like ki, or something else, by his own words.

**Masked_Felix** · 12-22-2007

How does Panel 8 occur, eh? Itachi won't allow Vegeto any power to fight back within Tsukuyomi. Also, who says he has to stick him on a cross? He'd more than likely just extinguish his life.

**Majuub** · 12-22-2007

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

By the sheer force of "invincible" willpower? That sounds like a pure presupposed opinion to me, let alone unsupported. This has nothing to do with turning him into anything, it has to do with him being totally subject to whatever Itachi decides, and needing his permission to pass wind. It is a position in which all forms of resistance is no resistance at all.

I stated it, if you can't break Vegeto's mind by turning him into an inanimate object, how can you do anything to harm is mind. Don't just ignore what I said.

an0nym0us · 12-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Jonny America

So did other humans mind you, when Buu vaporized that entire city into candy the people were screaming.

since when?

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

I can't resist correcting this much. Buu still had a mind and soul after being turned to chocolate.

you miss my point,

stated that fat buu has a special treatment and that is the reason why fat buu lived which means it has nothing to do with the change beam anymore

again that doesn't prove that candy has mind and spirit.......

special treatment has nothing to do with the henka beam

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

Majuub: Buu got "special treatment". The others were just eaten and killed, whereas Buu was absorbed. That doesn't change the fact that he was still alive after being changed into candy, otherwise there would be nothing to absorb.

ANB: Uh, too bad she was already stepped on and crushed by the time that was said, ANB. Too bad you ignored our points, too, and had him do anything in Tsukoyomi that Itachi didn't want to happen. Unless Itachi wanted to fail and die.

the reason fat buu was still alive is because of the special treatment, it has nothing to do with the henka beam

fat buu was absorbed as a candy and that gives evil buu a increase of power, it's all because of special treatment.

special treatment has nothing to do with the henka beam

fat buu and evil buu were a single being before and that gives off a special treatment.

but the.....

humans =/= buu

darbura =/= buu

z-senshi (including no.18) =/= buu

and that didn't give buu an increase in chi..............

still this proves that turning into candy is not turning into a living candy as it was stated that "turn into coffee candy",

this isn't about physical resistance but mental and spirit resistance....

this only proves that you can't do anything to erase vegetto's mind and spirit.....

i still doubt if itachi can see muten-roshi's movements..............

"tsukuyomi doesn't make you the strongest character"

Itachi said he and Kisame couldn't beat Jiraiya without more men as the truth ignoring everything else. this is all i need in this argument....

it didn't even made itachi the strongest warrior in the naruto universe, what makes you think that he has a chance against dragon ball....

speed, agility, strength, energy, willpower, tactics, strategy and experience are all vital parts in battle. you shouldn't focus on tsukuyomi alone.....

Madness · 12-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Masked_Felix

How does Panel 8 occur, eh? Itachi won't allow Vegeto any power to fight back within Tsukuyomi. Also, who says he has to stick him on a cross? He'd more than likely just extinguish his life.

Who says Itachi would know about Vegetto's power?

ANB · 12-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Madness

Who says Itachi would know about Vegetto's power?

ALLAHU-AKBAR (GOD IS GREAT)...!!!

CHI ISN'T CHAKRA. He wouldn't even know!!! The only way he'd know is if they fought, and then it's WTFpwnt.

Nikushimi · 12-22-2007

LAWL, in the last panel, Itachi is making Vegeto eat cock. XD

Yeah, that's about how it would go. But btw, Amaterasu is black. :/

And good on ya, SS2 Vegeto, for pointing that out.

EDIT: The "Buu's candy beam vs. Tsukuyomi" argument has really grown stale. The former is not a deliberate mind or spirit assault, it is a physical assault. Blasting someone with Kamehameha gets rid of the mind/spirit, but does that make it a deliberate direct effect? Of course not. Tsukuyomi bypasses physical existance itself and attacks the mind/spirit directly. In Tsukuyomi, it's as simple as Itachi wanting to kill him, and that's what happens. Period. I don't know...what you guys aren't getting about that...

an0nym0us · 12-23-2007

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

By the sheer force of "invincible" willpower? That sounds like a pure presupposed opinion to me, let alone unsupported. This has nothing to do with turning him into anything, it has to do with him being totally subject to whatever Itachi decides, and needing his permission to pass wind. It is a position in which all forms of resistance is no resistance at all.

since when does majin-buu gave his victim a permission to resist in a candy form?

henka beam doesn't give permission at all, as a candy you can't resist at all...

majin-buu didn't gave vegetto a permission to resist, but still vegeto resisted...

special treatment has nothing to do with the henka beam

i hope you will not quit in this argument just like the other thread....

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EDIT: The "Buu's candy beam vs. Tsukuyomi" argument has really grown stale. The former is not a deliberate mind or spirit assault, it is a physical assault. Blasting someone with Kamehameha gets rid of the mind/spirit, but does that make it a deliberate direct effect? Of course not. Tsukuyomi bypasses physical existance itself and attacks the mind/spirit directly. In Tsukuyomi, it's as simple as Itachi wanting to kill him, and that's what happens. Period. I don't know...what you guys aren't getting about that...

change beam is different from chi blast because change beam does not indicate power while chi blast it does.

the change beam is a deliberate mind, spirit and physical assault as it turn you into inanimate object and it has something to do with the victim being totally subject to whatever majin-buu decides, and needing his permission to pass wind. It is a position in which all forms of resistance is no resistance at all. almost the same as the tsukuyomi, but vegetto surpasses that.

candy has no body, mind and spirit

at least prove me that inanimate object is dead or alive.

if you can't erase Vegeto's mind by turning him into an inanimate object, how can you do anything to harm his mind.

when the mind is turned into candy, it is erased in the form of candy....

i still doubt if itachi can see muten-roshi's movements..............

"tsukuyomi doesn't make you the strongest character"

Itachi said he and Kisame couldn't beat Jiraiya without more men as the truth ignoring everything else. this is all i need in this argument....

12-22-2007	#181 (permalink)
Island of 1,000 Condiments (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,169 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 103	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) Uh, Tsukuyomi is more than being crucified. =/ I'm basically done with this argument, by the way. However, my point still stands. I've seen no Scans, Quotes, etc, which state Chakra & Ki are the exact same type of energy. In all honesty, this is turning into back & forth argument, where you're comparing logic from a series & applying it into another. I've seen multiple examples, and it's getting no where, fast. =/ __________________

12-22-2007	#183 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,396 Rep Power: 37	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) Majuub: Buu got "special treatment". The others were just eaten and killed, whereas Buu was absorbed. That doesn't change the fact that he was still alive after being changed into candy, otherwise there would be nothing to absorb. ANB: Uh, too bad she was already stepped on and crushed by the time that was said, ANB. Too bad you ignored our points, too, and had him do anything in Tsukoyomi that Itachi didn't want to happen. Unless Itachi wanted to fail and die. __________________ Last edited by SS2 Vegeto; 12-22-2007 at 02:38 AM.

12-22-2007	#184 (permalink)
Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,127 Rep Power: 159	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) Yeah, He BUU got some special treatement, it means Aku Buu let Buu alive in his candy form on purpose. Normal humans just die. It's like with Dabura, he didn't recieve special treatement, therefore he died right when he was turned into a candy. Mr Buu wasn't absorbed since, he just wasn't, we saw he was just eaten, Dabura also was eaten but there was no power up since he was dead, Buu is a completely different matter, when he was eaten that obviously wasn't an absorption, it was different. Anyways, it seems we can't really tell, this argument is going nowhere, I'm done with it. Sorry but really, this is pointless. __________________

12-22-2007	#186 (permalink)
Island of 1,000 Condiments (28) Lord of Worlds Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,169 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 103	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) How does any of my post even relate to what you said in response? In fact, my second paragraph wasn't even responding to you. O_o __________________ Last edited by Island of 1,000 Condiments; 12-22-2007 at 03:33 AM.

12-22-2007	#188 (permalink)
Masked_Felix Moderator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Randland Posts: 4,112 Rep Power: 112	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) How does Panel 8 occur, eh? Itachi won't allow Vegeto any power to fight back within Tsukuyomi. Also, who says he has to stick him on a cross? He'd more than likely just extinguish his life. __________________

12-22-2007	#193 (permalink)
Nikushimi Naruto Ranked (30) Akatsuki Leader Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: NF's MBD, in some thread raving about Itachi. Posts: 14,030 Rep Power: 234	Re: Itachi Vs. DBZ Characters(Namely Vegito) LAWL, in the last panel, Itachi is making Vegeto eat cock. XD Yeah, that's about how it would go. But btw, Amaterasu is black. :/ And good on ya, SS2 Vegeto, for pointing that out. EDIT: The "Buu's candy beam vs. Tsukuyomi" argument has really grown stale. The former is not a deliberate mind or spirit assault, it is a physical assault. Blasting someone with Kamehameha gets rid of the mind/spirit, but does that make it a deliberate direct effect? Of course not. Tsukuyomi bypasses physical existance itself and attacks the mind/spirit directly. In Tsukuyomi, it's as simple as Itachi wanting to kill him, and that's what happens. Period. I don't know...what you guys aren't getting about that... __________________ Pierce the heavens.

12-23-2007	#195 (permalink)
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