SSj4 Goku (Theoretical) vs. Ultimate Gohan

warcrack · 11-14-2007

This was originally an "ssj Vegeta v. Freeza" topic, but it's already been done and the outcomes established. So, I changed it in desperation.By "ssj4," I mean a theoretical manga-based one, not the GT one. While my personal calculations put the two as being fairly equal, with Gohan having a slight advantage, the chi drain of ssj4 would definately put a toll on Goku and give Gohan the victory.

**Zer0** · 11-14-2007

This topic was made like two weeks ago. Furiza wins as you explained it.

warcrack · 11-14-2007

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Originally Posted by Zer0

This topic was made like two weeks ago.

Oh. Well, that's just great.

~~So, I herd you liek mudkipz...~~ NEW VS MATCH: ssj4 Goku v. Ultimate Gohan

Jeez, I'm just all out of ideas today...

king omega · 11-14-2007

~~If Vegeta could somehow become a super sayian then he would win.~~

~~My theory is anyone who is a Super Sayian is strong enough to beat Freeza at his full power, or atleast put up a hell of a fight.~~

~~So id give it to Vegeta.~~

whatever

If you are are saying that SSJ4 would just drain more energy then SSJ3, Goku would win unless he finishs the fight quickly since he would be stronger.

For me i place Ultimate Gohan at Gohans SSJ3 strength if he trained hard after Cell until Buu came, and acheived SSJ3 somehow.

**Zer0** · 11-14-2007

Manga based from the Buu Arc or from the end of the manga?

warcrack · 11-14-2007

Buu Arc. (I know I posted a topic like this already, but I'm pretty despertate now that my original idea is dead.)

**Zer0** · 11-14-2007

Gohan. Although its not like he'd have a large advantage according to my calculations.

warcrack · 11-14-2007

Really? Last time you put ssj4 Goku as around ssj3 Gotenks.

**Majuub** · 11-14-2007

Well, it's somewhat hard to tell. Goku has a mastery of the SSJ2, so, to reach the SSJ4, he would have to have a really good control of the SSJ3. It means he wouldn't struggle with the ki drain no more, at least not as much as before, it would give him an advantage and he would even be stronger. Considering the SSJ3 is not like the SSJ or SSJ2 because the saiyan has to force his body in order to reach it so it would be the same for the SSJ4. If you push it even further it would give an ultimate form, I wouldn't doubt it would multiply the power by 3-5x. I think at best, Goku is weaker than Gohan, and at worst he is a little stronger, but the Ki drain would be a pain, he would have to finish the fight quickly. Also, since we don't have any idea of the SSJ3 multiplier, Gohan and Goku can be closer than we think. I see most people here saying that the SSJ3 has a 3x multiplier, it could be 5x and it would make a large difference. Since we have really no definite idea of the multiplier, logically, a new form of saiyan would utterly destroy Gohan, no matter how powerful he is.

Aerix · 11-15-2007

Actually, Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Goku SSJ3, even Gotenks SSJ3 without limit of time. Now, Goku SSJ4 is way diffrent of SSJ3 and in my opinion, SSJ4 doesn't consume a lot of energy...

Because ultimate Gohan is the result of potential power of Gohan, I'd say Gohan is stronger..I don't know, I just feel it, however, this would be a tight match, really equal.

Super Cool · 11-16-2007

Vegito > Ultimate Gohan

As much as i hate to say it

SS4goku>Vegito

warcrack · 11-16-2007

You relize this is a manga-based ssj4 Goku, not the GT one, right?

Super Cool · 11-16-2007

Still i'm pretty sure that a SS4 Goku would be stronger.

SRP76 · 11-16-2007

Goku should win. The power increase from Super Saiyan 3 to Super Saiyan 4 is incredible. It should be plenty to close the gap with Gohan.

**Majuub** · 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Aerix

Actually, Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Goku SSJ3, even Gotenks SSJ3 without limit of time. Now, Goku SSJ4 is way diffrent of SSJ3 and in my opinion, SSJ4 doesn't consume a lot of energy...

Because ultimate Gohan is the result of potential power of Gohan, I'd say Gohan is stronger..I don't know, I just feel it, however, this would be a tight match, really equal.

Logically, a SSJ4 in Z wouldn't be just the limits of Goku but it would go beyond. Even if Gohan's unlocked potential makes him even stronger than he can ever be, if Goku could go SSJ4 in Z it would be like to push the powers of the saiyans beyond their limits. If we look it the manga way, SSJ3 is the ultimate form of the saiyans, SSJ4 would be like beyond everything. Base:

1/1000
SSJ: 50/1000
SSJ2: 250/1000
SSJ3: 1000/1000
Unlocked potential: 1500/1000
SSJ4: 2000/1000.

I mean, The SSJ3 is the ultimate form, the unlocked potential is even stronger than the actual potential, SSJ4 would be even stronger than anything if you know what I mean. Don't take the list seriously, it's just a way to show that the SSJ4 would be far beyond every limits of any saiyan.

11-14-2007	#1 (permalink)
warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	SSj4 Goku (Theoretical) vs. Ultimate Gohan This was originally an "ssj Vegeta v. Freeza" topic, but it's already been done and the outcomes established. So, I changed it in desperation.By "ssj4," I mean a theoretical manga-based one, not the GT one. While my personal calculations put the two as being fairly equal, with Gohan having a slight advantage, the chi drain of ssj4 would definately put a toll on Goku and give Gohan the victory. __________________ Last edited by warcrack; 11-19-2007 at 10:14 PM.

11-14-2007	#2 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,113 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 133	Re: Vegeta (post-Zenkai, ssj) v. Freeza (100% of full power) This topic was made like two weeks ago. Furiza wins as you explained it. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

11-14-2007	#4 (permalink)
king omega Naruto Ranked (21) Sannin Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Hell, exploring the layers. Posts: 1,639 Rep Power: 8	Re: Vegeta (post-Zenkai, ssj) v. Freeza (100% of full power) ~~If Vegeta could somehow become a super sayian then he would win.~~ ~~My theory is anyone who is a Super Sayian is strong enough to beat Freeza at his full power, or atleast put up a hell of a fight.~~ ~~So id give it to Vegeta.~~ whatever If you are are saying that SSJ4 would just drain more energy then SSJ3, Goku would win unless he finishs the fight quickly since he would be stronger. For me i place Ultimate Gohan at Gohans SSJ3 strength if he trained hard after Cell until Buu came, and acheived SSJ3 somehow. __________________ Yesterday seems as though it never existed Death greets me warm, now I will just say good-bye MetallicA Fade to Black

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Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,113 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 133	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Manga based from the Buu Arc or from the end of the manga? __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

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warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Buu Arc. (I know I posted a topic like this already, but I'm pretty despertate now that my original idea is dead.) __________________

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Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,113 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 133	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Gohan. Although its not like he'd have a large advantage according to my calculations. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

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warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Really? Last time you put ssj4 Goku as around ssj3 Gotenks. __________________

11-14-2007	#9 (permalink)
Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,004 Rep Power: 143	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Well, it's somewhat hard to tell. Goku has a mastery of the SSJ2, so, to reach the SSJ4, he would have to have a really good control of the SSJ3. It means he wouldn't struggle with the ki drain no more, at least not as much as before, it would give him an advantage and he would even be stronger. Considering the SSJ3 is not like the SSJ or SSJ2 because the saiyan has to force his body in order to reach it so it would be the same for the SSJ4. If you push it even further it would give an ultimate form, I wouldn't doubt it would multiply the power by 3-5x. I think at best, Goku is weaker than Gohan, and at worst he is a little stronger, but the Ki drain would be a pain, he would have to finish the fight quickly. Also, since we don't have any idea of the SSJ3 multiplier, Gohan and Goku can be closer than we think. I see most people here saying that the SSJ3 has a 3x multiplier, it could be 5x and it would make a large difference. Since we have really no definite idea of the multiplier, logically, a new form of saiyan would utterly destroy Gohan, no matter how powerful he is. __________________

11-15-2007	#10 (permalink)
Aerix (1) Earthling Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 0	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Actually, Ultimate Gohan is stronger than Goku SSJ3, even Gotenks SSJ3 without limit of time. Now, Goku SSJ4 is way diffrent of SSJ3 and in my opinion, SSJ4 doesn't consume a lot of energy... Because ultimate Gohan is the result of potential power of Gohan, I'd say Gohan is stronger..I don't know, I just feel it, however, this would be a tight match, really equal. __________________ If I can't do it, who else can!?

11-16-2007	#11 (permalink)
Super Cool Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SuperCoolsville Posts: 4,970 Rep Power: 26	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Vegito > Ultimate Gohan As much as i hate to say it SS4goku>Vegito __________________

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warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan You relize this is a manga-based ssj4 Goku, not the GT one, right? __________________

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Super Cool Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SuperCoolsville Posts: 4,970 Rep Power: 26	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Still i'm pretty sure that a SS4 Goku would be stronger. __________________

11-16-2007	#14 (permalink)
SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 37	Re: ssj4 Goku (theoretical) v. Ultimate Gohan Goku should win. The power increase from Super Saiyan 3 to Super Saiyan 4 is incredible. It should be plenty to close the gap with Gohan.