Evil Vegeta

If MSSJ Vegito said any of the four warriors listed I would probably laugh. Listen, I can understand your point of view, and I respect it. Yaji just doesn't show me anything worthwile, that's why I think he would lose. Also, he did use Makosen against Goku, I think, at least two times If I remember.

Another thing; in one of my previous posts, I talked about Dabura and Gohan. Goku stated him to be about equal to Cell, yet, Gohan as a regular Super Saiyan isn't being dominated by a enemy near Cell's fighting level. That's why I don't think everything stated should be takin literally. With my Gohan and Dabura point; if you are of the opinion that he's a Super Saiyan 2, then I could see why he could keep up. I just want your opinion on that.

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Yaki

First of all if Pikkoro's pl really was 260 and he could perform a Makosen with 2x power then he would have completely obliterated Goku but he did not. So any technique Pikkoro uses on Yajirobe will be rendered completely useless as he brushes them off like nothing. He will then procede to beat the hell out of Pikkoro and eat him for breakfast.

This quote just sums up your arguement. You put your opinions of the characters first before what is stated to be true. If this was stated to be true there would be no need to laugh. You see in your mind that these characters are much weaker than Bejita therefore in your mind you see it to be impossible for them ever to be stronger than him.

This is the same case with Yajirobe. You see him to be a weak character and Pikkoro Daimou to be a stronger one. Therefore in your mind you can only see Yajirobe losing. So you do not seem to have the ability to look past your own opinions of the characters and look at the facts, but it seems that no one is ever going to be able to change your mind. Even if Toriyama-sama wrote a manga just of this fight where Yajirobe wins and gives it to you just to prove it.

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Evil Vegeta

Wait a second, I thought he said Vegito? Second of all, I don't take everything stated literally. I've already put in my previous posts how things that are stated could be somewhat off. So, if you don't mind, could you answer my Dabura/SSJ Gohan question? Lastly, I can look past my opinions. However, I don't have to see Yaji as a strong fighter, because he shows me nothing! Piccolo does, and show more, and there's no doubt about it. Again, I see the fight playing out a way different from many others. If you see him eating him for breakfast, fine, I don't.

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Yaki

You can't just let one quote from the manga during the Buu saga (which was a bit odd anyway) make you think that everything else stated I untrue. I do not believe that Kami would have told them that if it were false as it was a pretty dire situation that the earth was in. And also take for example Yamu. We never see him fight but and indeed he shows me nothing but I am pretty sure he could beat Mr Satan. There is nothing really shown to say that he could but I am pretty sure he would. Just because Yajirobe doesn't show his full potential doesn't mean it is not there. He is just lazy and a coward and never reallys sees the need to fight but if he had to fight Pikkoro I think he would be able to use his strength and he could even let the satisfaction of Southern Fried Namekian afterwards give him the motivation to just completely own Pikkoro.

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Evil Vegeta

Sure, it is one quote, but it makes the entire scene seem all wrong. Anyways, I don't think everything else is untrue. As far as Yamu, you would think the majin seal, along with him displaying an aura while flying, tell's you enough about his chances against Hercule. On the other hand; can the same be shown for Yaji? Your right about him being a coward. That's why I see him pissing his pants if he knew he would have to face Daimao. The earth was in trouble. But, how would he have been able to influence the battle? He can't fly. His participation in the training was probably irrelevant compared to the other four.

I also can't see Kami singling him out, telling him this: Yaji, you are the only one out of the four who didn't surpass me. Therefore, I will keep you up here, that way you can get stronger! It's would probably be a waste of time.

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deckzone3000

This is Cell - http://www.myfavoritegames.com/drago...es/A/Cell1.gif
This is Cell - http://www.myfavoritegames.com/drago...es/A/Cell2.gif
This is Cell - http://www.myfavoritegames.com/drago...es/A/Cell3.gif

Let me know where Goku said anything about any specific stage or level of Cell.

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feon2

Hey, Piccolo can´t be high as 260.

Remember Tien > Goku (weighted clothes, 23nd budokai) and the same Goku is stated as stronger than Goku (Piccolo Daimaou battle).

Tien is 250 in Raditz saga. So, he is weaker in 23nd Budokai.

Proably Piccolo is in "230" range.

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Yaki

Why not? Yajirobe probably didn't have the potential of the other four and was also probably the weakest to start with and if the earth really was in need they needed all the help they could get. So he could have mad Yajirobe do extra training to get to a higher level of power. It seems like he had no intention sof properly fighting the Saiyans but he does help out very much even if it was just one swipe of his sword.

If Kami had been lying to him what kind of mentor would he be? This would make him seem lazy as he can't be bothered train Yajirobe that extra bit more than others. That is why I am pretty sure that Kami is not lying when he says this. Yajirobe may have surpassed him in power but probably just not as much as the others but still therefore making him strong enough to beat Pikkoro Daimou.

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Raditz The Ruthless

If Yajirobe is stronger than Kami, who is stronger than Piccolo Daimao, then Yajirobe has to win. Even if Yajirobe can't fly, I don't believe Piccolo would really fly. The fight between him and Goku mainly took place on the ground, if I remember correctly.

Piccolo would probably underestimate Yajirobe and Yajirobe would run up and swing his sword. Piccolo would block with his arm confident as hell, but the sword would slice through his arm and cut him in half.

That's how I see it anyway.

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Haxafax

Where is it stated/shown that Popo is stronger than Daimo? (Not arguing, I'm just curious)

Zer0

I don't remember if it was stated. In the fanslation I read it was asked by Gokuu why Popo didn't take care of Pikkoro Daimao but it was shown Popo was ahead of Pikkoro Daimao because he made a fool out of Gokuu effortlessly on the Lookout.

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LegendarySSJ7

On page 114 of Dragonball, Volume 14 (Kami-sama being "he"):

Son Goku: "But you know, if he's so strong, he should've beaten Piccolo for us."

Mr. Popo: "Kami-sama... has his own reasons."


As for the entire affair as to who is the stronger of the two, Dragonball isn't a good background for generally guaging battle powers if you're inquiring how they stand in assiduous terms (I'd say somewhere around 300-400, but, to reiterate, Dragonball battle powers are impossible nonwithstanding). Yajirobe is shown to be indolent and less inclined to be earnest, but I don't think he didn't surpass Kami-sama by a length through his rigorous training before Vegeta and Nappa's advent. I don't forsee the young Piccolo Daimao winning this.

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