Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu

**Zer0** · 10-26-2007

Saikyo refers to Chou, Ultimate, or Mystic Gohan.

When Gokuu left with Uub and at a "canon" beginning to GT. Assuming Gohan's power stayed the same.

SRP76 · 10-26-2007

Gohan's power would have to stay the same. Old Kai's powerup "goes beyond" the limits of a fighter's potential. "Mystic" is actually stronger than the strongest Gohan can be.

Goku still wins. This is 15 years, instead of 10. 50% longer. Gohan was about 50% stronger than Super Buu. So, it would be a similar fight.

Rayne-Mayne · 10-26-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by SRP76

Gohan's power would have to stay the same. Old Kai's powerup "goes beyond" the limits of a fighter's potential. "Mystic" is actually stronger than the strongest Gohan can be.

Goku still wins. This is 15 years, instead of 10. 50% longer. Gohan
was about 50% stronger than Super Buu. So, it would be a similar fight.

Dont
you mean Gohan still wins? You're correct that Mystic is the
strongest gohan can actually be. And as shown through out the
show gohan has more potential then anyone in dbz, therefore he cannot
be surpassed by goku if he is at his max.

Broly · 10-26-2007

I think Gohan would still win. I've actually calculated what I think would happen:

SSj3 Goku [15 years later]: 3,375,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan: 3,400,000,000,000

By that point in time Goku was a bit stronger than Kid Buu's level at base. 5x [I believe the SSj3 multiplier is 5x a increase] his base is what you get above.

I think Gohan would barely win.

SRP76 · 10-26-2007

5 times form base to Super Saiyan 3? That's about a 70% increase for each transformation.

So, you think the Super Saiyan multiplier drops from over 40, to under 2? What's the point of transforming, if a 20-fold Kaioken would be quadruple the power of Super Saiyan 3?

Broly · 10-26-2007

I just believe that Goku's PL at base had gone way up, and as a result boosted his other transformations and gave him a smaller multiplier. I don't get where you get the two from though. Well, taken the Kaioken into account, I think it's impossible for Goku to be at 27,080,000,000,000 in GT when Uub [around Fat Buu's level] did better than SSj3 Goku GT.

deckzone3000 · 10-27-2007

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Originally Posted by Zer0

When Gokuu left with Uub

Gohan

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Originally Posted by Zer0

at a "canon" beginning to GT.

Gohan again.

If the old kai made Gohan reach his full potential, then I don't think Goku could ever match him.

**Majuub** · 10-27-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne-Mayne

Dont
you mean Gohan still wins? You're correct that Mystic is the
strongest gohan can actually be. And as shown through out the
show gohan has more potential then anyone in dbz, therefore he cannot
be surpassed by goku if he is at his max.

Gohan was weaker than Chou Buu, even if he was an absorption, it means Gohan can be surpassed, if Goku trains for 15 years he surely can outlcass Chou Gohan. The Kai statement is somewhat incorrect since, as long as you train, you'll become stronger, there is no limit to that. As long as you learn, you'll become more intelligent, there is no limit to that, same thing for their strength. Mystic Gohan was at most, 5x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.
Goku thought himself as strong as Rildo in his SSJ state, he thought Rildo was as strong as Majin Buu, but Trunks aid he was giving him too much credit, so we'll lower his power a bunch. It means he thought his SSJ state as strong as his SSJ3 state 15 years ago.
Z SSJ3 Goku: 1000
Chibi Buu: 1000
Shin Buu: 3500
Chou Gohan: 4670
Rildo: 700
GT Base Goku: 200
GT SSJ Goku: 1000
GT SSJ2 Goku: 3000
GT SSJ3 Goku: 9000
No matter which way you look at it, he will simply outclass Chou Gohan.

deckzone3000 · 10-27-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Majuub666

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rayne-Mayne

Dont you mean Gohan still wins? You're correct that Mystic is the strongest gohan can actually be. And as shown through out the show gohan has more potential then anyone in dbz, therefore he cannot be surpassed by goku if he is at his max.

Gohan was weaker than Chou Buu, even if he was an absorption, it means Gohan can be surpassed, if Goku trains for 15 years he surely can outlcass Chou Gohan. The Kai statement is somewhat incorrect since, as long as you train, you'll become stronger, there is no limit to that. As long as you learn, you'll become more intelligent, there is no limit to that, same thing for their strength. Mystic Gohan was at most, 5x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

He didn't say Gohan is unsurpassable. He said Goku couldn't surpass him. Chou Buu is obviously going to be stronger than Gohan seeing as it's Gohan + someone else.
A fusion could also create someone stronger than Gohan.

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Originally Posted by Majuub666

Goku thought himself as strong as Rildo in his SSJ state, he thought Rildo was as strong as Majin Buu, but Trunks aid he was giving him too much credit, so we'll lower his power a bunch. It means he thought his SSJ state as strong as his SSJ3 state 15 years ago.

Z SSJ3 Goku: 1000

Chibi Buu: 1000

Shin Buu: 3500

Chou Gohan: 4670

Rildo: 700

GT Base Goku: 200

GT SSJ Goku: 1000

GT SSJ2 Goku: 3000

GT SSJ3 Goku: 9000

No matter which way you look at it, he will simply outclass Chou Gohan.

The topic starter said a "canon" GT. That pretty much means, how strong do you think Goku would be 10 years after DBZ. Not what actually happened in the show.

**Majuub** · 10-27-2007

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Originally Posted by deckzone3000

The topic starter said a "canon" GT. That pretty much means, how strong do you think Goku would be 10 years after DBZ. Not what actually happened in the show.

Technically GT is canon.

SRP76 · 10-27-2007

Why can't Goku surpass Gohan?

Noplace is it stated that "Gohan has the most potential of anybody in this manga, and he can not be surpassed". Noplace.

And all things dealing with his "potential" had to do with his 'roid-rage type outbursts when he got angry. That all got worked out at the Cell Games. So, nothing is keeping other fighters from being "potentially" stronger than Gohan.

Rayne-Mayne · 10-27-2007

Actually,Vegeta said to nappa when they first arrived on
planet earth that half breeds had a much higher potential. Also,
ALL through out dbz we are shown information that would lead us to the
conclusion gohan>>goku in potential, it was all set up too.
Gohan, when tapped into his hidden potential, was able tobecome much
stronger then his father.
Gohan after mystic is at
his maximum, its stated. And, since we know goku doesnt have more
hidden potential then gohan, no matter how much goku trains he cant get
any stronger then his son's best. Which is why i believe ssj3
goku is near gokus maximum potential, but theres no solid proof for
that.
All im saying is that through every saga gohans
hidden potential was hyped to be the best of everyones, vegeta and
nappa said it in the saiyan arc, piccolo noticed it, gohan unlocks it
in the namek saga, as well as pounds frieza a few times, and he reaches
ssj2 and profound levels much higher then everyone else in the cell
arc. So its naturally to conclude gohans potential>>any
other zwarriors

Shaka of virgo · 11-02-2007

Goku has:

more tournaments, Gohan have 0.

More techniques, IT, fist of the sun, kienzan, afterimages. are techniques that Gohan never did.

Goku is master of Gohan and have fough with Piccolo so he knows Gohan movements.

Goku end of the manga will beat Gohan.

Evil Vegeta · 11-02-2007

I think Goku would find some way to win. Now, I understand Gohan power is insanely more powerful then any non-fused warrior at the end of Z. But, if Goku could somehow gain an incredible amount of power within those ten years of training, he may rival Gohan's power. We've seen Goku make huge leaps in power, why wouldn't he be able so reach Gohan's?

Deep Thought · 11-02-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evil Vegeta

I think Goku would find some way to win. Now, I understand Gohan power is insanely more powerful then any non-fused warrior at the end of Z. But, if Goku could somehow gain an incredible amount of power within those ten years of training, he may rival Gohan's power. We've seen Goku make huge leaps in power, why wouldn't he be able so reach Gohan's?

In order to do that, he'd have to unlock every single bit of potential that he has through training, which I just don't think is possible. Even so, Gohan's potential>Goku's potential. Gohan wins.

10-26-2007	#1 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,113 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 133	Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu Saikyo refers to Chou, Ultimate, or Mystic Gohan. When Gokuu left with Uub and at a "canon" beginning to GT. Assuming Gohan's power stayed the same. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

10-26-2007	#2 (permalink)
SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 37	Re: Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu Gohan's power would have to stay the same. Old Kai's powerup "goes beyond" the limits of a fighter's potential. "Mystic" is actually stronger than the strongest Gohan can be. Goku still wins. This is 15 years, instead of 10. 50% longer. Gohan was about 50% stronger than Super Buu. So, it would be a similar fight.

10-26-2007	#4 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,538 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 31	Re: Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu I think Gohan would still win. I've actually calculated what I think would happen: SSj3 Goku [15 years later]: 3,375,000,000,000 Ultimate Gohan: 3,400,000,000,000 By that point in time Goku was a bit stronger than Kid Buu's level at base. 5x [I believe the SSj3 multiplier is 5x a increase] his base is what you get above. I think Gohan would barely win. __________________ $E:\Avatars\I am [not] God.JPG$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wS5xOZ7Rq8 Silence is golden, ducktape is silver, a bullet is bronze.

10-26-2007	#5 (permalink)
SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 37	Re: Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu 5 times form base to Super Saiyan 3? That's about a 70% increase for each transformation. So, you think the Super Saiyan multiplier drops from over 40, to under 2? What's the point of transforming, if a 20-fold Kaioken would be quadruple the power of Super Saiyan 3?

10-26-2007	#6 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,538 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 31	Re: Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu I just believe that Goku's PL at base had gone way up, and as a result boosted his other transformations and gave him a smaller multiplier. I don't get where you get the two from though. Well, taken the Kaioken into account, I think it's impossible for Goku to be at 27,080,000,000,000 in GT when Uub [around Fat Buu's level] did better than SSj3 Goku GT. __________________ $E:\Avatars\I am [not] God.JPG$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wS5xOZ7Rq8 Silence is golden, ducktape is silver, a bullet is bronze.

10-27-2007	#11 (permalink)
SRP76 (23) Final Warrior Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,341 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 37	Re: Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu Why can't Goku surpass Gohan? Noplace is it stated that "Gohan has the most potential of anybody in this manga, and he can not be surpassed". Noplace. And all things dealing with his "potential" had to do with his 'roid-rage type outbursts when he got angry. That all got worked out at the Cell Games. So, nothing is keeping other fighters from being "potentially" stronger than Gohan.

10-27-2007	#12 (permalink)
Rayne-Mayne (3) Champion of Justice Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 0	Re: Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu Actually,Vegeta said to nappa when they first arrived on planet earth that half breeds had a much higher potential. Also, ALL through out dbz we are shown information that would lead us to the conclusion gohan>>goku in potential, it was all set up too. Gohan, when tapped into his hidden potential, was able tobecome much stronger then his father. Gohan after mystic is at his maximum, its stated. And, since we know goku doesnt have more hidden potential then gohan, no matter how much goku trains he cant get any stronger then his son's best. Which is why i believe ssj3 goku is near gokus maximum potential, but theres no solid proof for that. All im saying is that through every saga gohans hidden potential was hyped to be the best of everyones, vegeta and nappa said it in the saiyan arc, piccolo noticed it, gohan unlocks it in the namek saga, as well as pounds frieza a few times, and he reaches ssj2 and profound levels much higher then everyone else in the cell arc. So its naturally to conclude gohans potential>>any other zwarriors

11-02-2007	#13 (permalink)
Shaka of virgo (14) Warrior of Namek Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 369 Rep Power: 3	Re: Saikyo no Gohan vs. Super Saiya-jin 3 Gokuu Goku has: more tournaments, Gohan have 0. More techniques, IT, fist of the sun, kienzan, afterimages. are techniques that Gohan never did. Goku is master of Gohan and have fough with Piccolo so he knows Gohan movements. Goku end of the manga will beat Gohan. __________________ Train hard and enjoy life, that is the Muten Roshi way.