Potara vs Metamorose - Page 2

Rayne-Mayne · 10-26-2007

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Originally Posted by SRP76

2/12 = 20/120. He's supressing 1-2/3% of his power, in both cases. The same percentage. The raw number does not matter.

Trunks = 12
Goten = 10
Gotenks = (10+10) x 50 = 1,000

Super Saiyan Trunks = 120
Super Saiyan Goten = 100
Super Saiyan Gotenks = (100+100) x 50 = 10,000

Is 10,000/1,000 the same as 120/12? Yes. Is 1,000/1,000 the same as
100/10? Yes. The Super Saiyan multiplier has not been compromised.

If each form is supressing the same percentage (which they are), everything remains equal.

So, where's the inconsistency?

I suppose
you are right, i viewed it as trunks having to supress more and more
energy, although the consistent % still remaind the same that would
matter, because trunks has to drop more pl each time.
And do you believe that Vegito=/= Gogeta? That vegito is much stronger then gogeta?

SRP76 · 10-26-2007

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Originally Posted by Rayne-Mayne

And do you believe that Vegito=/= Gogeta? That vegito is much stronger then gogeta?

I personally don't, but most people do.

I take "work even better" to mean a lot of things, such as no waiting for a "dance", no time limit, no synchronized power levels and matching size, etc.

The only difference I believe lies in Goku having to match Vegeta's power level for the Fusion, whereas the Potara can utilize Goku's maximum. Since I don't think Vegeta is that far behind Goku (in fact, whatever the increase is from Babidi's magic is enough), I figure Gogeta to be just a little weaker than Vegito. I certainly don't think a pair of earrings makes Vegito "5x stronger" than Gogeta, or anything like that.

But opinions vary...

deckzone3000 · 10-27-2007

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Now, are Vegeta and Goku twice as strong as Trunks and Goten? Hell yes, and a lot more

You have no proof at all to back that up......

Really?

According to the manga, Trunks can't handle 150G. Can NOT. He has to struggle just to walk.

Goku not only walked, but trained in 100G on the way to Namek. BEFORE getting his powerup after the Ginyu fight. For the sake of Goku-hating, we'll say that zenkai only gave him a 50% increase.

That would mean that, while fighting Frieza, Goku could have handled 150G enough to actually train in it. That puts him above Trunks.

...and then he trained for a year plus on Yardrat, then trained with Piccolo and Gohan for 3 years....

But, for the sake of some Trunks-loving, I'll say that Trunks is equal to THAT, much-more-powerful Goku.

So...

After that point, Goku trained for a year in the Time Chamber, which showed him increasing from below the Androids to above Cell stage two.

Then, he had 7 more years of training under King Kai.

You really think he only doubled his power, after all that?

And let's not forget little Goten:

Goten was NO MATCH for Gohan. Gohan wasn't even fighting (forget fighting "seriously"), and Goten was rushing like he had something to prove (which he did). Gohan didn't even fight back, just dodging and blocking. Goten says, "I couldn't even hit you once!". He got owned. Couldn't even touch "Big Brother".

Gohan's Cell Games power level was stated to be greater than his Buu saga power level. So, Cell Games Gohan > Buu saga Gohan > (to a large degree)Goten.

Goku is stated to be "stronger than Gohan was against Cell".

Goku > cell games Gohan > Buu saga Gohan > Goten. With a large gap between each one.

A lot more than twice their power.

Then perhaps Trunks and Goten have a 10000x SSJ multiplier. lol How else would SSJ Trunks be capable of grazing SSJ Vegeta's face? Or SSJ Goten actually making SSJ Gohan try to block his attacks? Or why 18 was so scared of SSJ Trunks' blast? Or why Gohan said if he didn't start training, the boys were going to pass him up?

SRP76 · 10-27-2007

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How else would SSJ Trunks be capable of grazing SSJ Vegeta's face? Or SSJ Goten actually making SSJ Gohan try to block his attacks?

Like I already said, it wasn't like Gohan and Vegeta were fighting at full power, trying to kill the kids. It was a test of how strong the boys were. There's no need to go full-power maximum to do that. If Vegeta charged up and attacked Trunks, the only thing the kid would have hit was the floor.

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Or why 18 was so scared of SSJ Trunks' blast?

Just because someone is surprised to see an attack, doesn't make them scared. It sure doesn't make them weaker. Recoome was - ahem - "scared" (since he had the same look 18 had) of Vegeta's power. We saw how that turned out. And you can lose track of how many times Frieza was "scared" of base Goku. Then, he turned around and beat him like he was his daddy. Many times, we see people get "scared", but end up being far stronger than their "scary" opponents.

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Or why Gohan said if he didn't start training, the boys were going to pass him up?

Because he was right. At Goten's age, Gohan was nothing compared to his power. At that rate, by the time Goten got older, he'd be way beyond Gohan.

deckzone3000 · 10-28-2007

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Like I already said, it wasn't like Gohan and Vegeta were fighting at full power, trying to kill the kids. It was a test of how strong the boys were.

Says who?
And Gohan fighting with Gohan to train for the tournament wasn't a test, Gohan was trying to get stronger.

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If Vegeta charged up and attacked Trunks, the only thing the kid would have hit was the floor.

Why would Vegeta attack Trunks?

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Or why 18 was so scared of SSJ Trunks' blast?

Just because someone is surprised to see an attack, doesn't make them scared. It sure doesn't make them weaker. Recoome was - ahem - "scared" (since he had the same look 18 had) of Vegeta's power. We saw how that turned out. And you can lose track of how many times Frieza was "scared" of base Goku. Then, he turned around and beat him like he was his daddy. Many times, we see people get "scared", but end up being far stronger than their "scary" opponents.

18 had a "surprised" look when Trunks first fired his blast, but after she dodged it is when the look of "scared" was shown on her face. Check the sweat dripping of her face.

And Recoome never had a scared look on his face when facing Vegeta.

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Or why Gohan said if he didn't start training, the boys were going to pass him up?

Because he was right. At Goten's age, Gohan was nothing compared to his power. At that rate, by the time Goten got older, he'd be way beyond Gohan.

Since you pointed out that base Trunks couldn't handle 100x gravity, I'm guessing you think the boys in their base states are under 90,000. When Gohan was that age, he was stronger than that.

And when I read that part, it didn't sound like Gohan meant when Goten got older, more like fairly soon.

SRP76 · 10-28-2007

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And Gohan fighting with Goten to train for the tournament wasn't a test, Gohan was trying to get stronger.

He was "training" when Goten was throwing rocks, and Gohan didn't know Goten was a Super Saiyan. Once he saw that, he stopped, and asked Goten to spar, not knowing what the kid had. He HAD to spar, to find out. Testing how powerful Goten was.

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Why would Vegeta attack Trunks?

Exactly! It wasn't a fight; he wasn't showing his full power, by any means. He was only trying to find out how poerful Trunks was.

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Since you pointed out that base Trunks couldn't handle 100x gravity, I'm guessing you think the boys in their base states are under 90,000.

No, not at all. It was 150G, so he was likely around 50% stronger than Goku. If Goku was using Kaioken to be able to train in 100G, that would put Trunks all the way up to 270,000.

Or, if he had to use the 20-fold, that would put base Trunks at around 2,700,000. That's a ridiculously strong kid, but not "Android level at base" type of strong.

10-28-2007

I think the metamorose fusion is a bit stronger than potara. I mean look at the way super gogeta destroyed janemba (who was in his dimension and could do whatever he wanted) And at the same time look at the way super vegito fought against super buu. Don't get me wrong here, im not saying that vegito fought bad, but just look at gogeta, it finished janemba in an instant.

Broly · 10-28-2007

That's because Janemba was like 6 times weaker than Shin Buuhan.

**Zer0** · 10-28-2007

I'd say 5 times weaker. >_>

Super Bejitto wasn't trying to kill Shin Buuhan. He could have finished him off just as quickly as Gojita did with Shin Janemba if he wanted to.

**Darkprince410** · 10-28-2007

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I think the metamorose fusion is a bit stronger than potara. I mean look at the way super gogeta destroyed janemba (who was in his dimension and could do whatever he wanted) And at the same time look at the way super vegito fought against super buu. Don't get me wrong here, im not saying that vegito fought bad, but just look at gogeta, it finished janemba in an instant.

What you're not realizing though is that Bejitto was purposely holding back when he fought Shin Buu, with the intention of just forcing him to realize that the only way he could "win" was to absorb him. That way, he could be inside of Buu and rescue the others that Buu had absorbed. If Bejitto had seriously wanted to kill Buu he would have done so the moment he transformed.

BurningVegeta · 10-28-2007

tHis isn't a fair test is it...? Potara vs Metamorose you would only know whcih is better or stonger if two people with excatly the same power levels used these types of fusion both times, thats the only way you would be able to tell i think

lets say:
Potara-
Goku PL: 100
+
Vegeta PL: 95 =Vegito - 195

Metamorose-
Goku PL: 120
+
Vegeta PL: 100 = Gogeta - 220

i say you can't really tell which is stronger as Goku and Vegeta had different PL's at different times when fusioning into Gogeta "or" Vegito
i may be very wrong though...

Super Cool · 10-28-2007

What about the rivalry boost. Does it work only in the potara?

Broly · 10-29-2007

It's debatable on whether there is a rivalry boost in the first place.

FierceGamer · 10-29-2007

I don't think the fusion between Goten and Trunks has the same multiplier as the one between Goku and Vegeta. I think the stronger the fighter, the more power they can get from the fusion. For all we know, fusion could just multiply the powers. What I'm saying is that the difference between SS Gogeta and SS Gotenks is much, much greater than the difference between SS Goku and SS Gotenks. Goku would destroy Goten easily, but Gogeta VS Gotenks would be a massacre.

Broly · 10-29-2007

That could be the case, although it's never stated. I'm of the opinion though that the Metamorese fusion multiplier is the same and the PLs of the fusionees determine the overall outcome of the fusion.

10-28-2007	#22 (permalink)
Ultimate_Gohan Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Potara vs Metamorose I think the metamorose fusion is a bit stronger than potara. I mean look at the way super gogeta destroyed janemba (who was in his dimension and could do whatever he wanted) And at the same time look at the way super vegito fought against super buu. Don't get me wrong here, im not saying that vegito fought bad, but just look at gogeta, it finished janemba in an instant.

10-28-2007	#23 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,538 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 31	Re: Potara vs Metamorose That's because Janemba was like 6 times weaker than Shin Buuhan. __________________ $E:\Avatars\I am [not] God.JPG$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wS5xOZ7Rq8 Silence is golden, ducktape is silver, a bullet is bronze.

10-28-2007	#24 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 10,113 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 133	Re: Potara vs Metamorose I'd say 5 times weaker. >_> Super Bejitto wasn't trying to kill Shin Buuhan. He could have finished him off just as quickly as Gojita did with Shin Janemba if he wanted to. __________________ Want a colored username? Then check out the Weekly Naruto & Bleach Caption Contests.

10-28-2007	#26 (permalink)
BurningVegeta (25) Kami of Earth Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The 10th Heaven: Naherangi Posts: 4,297 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 112	Re: Potara vs Metamorose tHis isn't a fair test is it...? Potara vs Metamorose you would only know whcih is better or stonger if two people with excatly the same power levels used these types of fusion both times, thats the only way you would be able to tell i think lets say: Potara- Goku PL: 100 + Vegeta PL: 95 =Vegito - 195 Metamorose- Goku PL: 120 + Vegeta PL: 100 = Gogeta - 220 i say you can't really tell which is stronger as Goku and Vegeta had different PL's at different times when fusioning into Gogeta "or" Vegito i may be very wrong though... __________________

10-28-2007	#27 (permalink)
Super Cool Naruto Ranked (26) Shichibi Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SuperCoolsville Posts: 4,970 Rep Power: 26	Re: Potara vs Metamorose What about the rivalry boost. Does it work only in the potara? __________________

10-29-2007	#28 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,538 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 31	Re: Potara vs Metamorose It's debatable on whether there is a rivalry boost in the first place. __________________ $E:\Avatars\I am [not] God.JPG$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wS5xOZ7Rq8 Silence is golden, ducktape is silver, a bullet is bronze.

10-29-2007	#29 (permalink)
FierceGamer (13) Great Ape Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York, NY Posts: 286 Rep Power: 2	Re: Potara vs Metamorose I don't think the fusion between Goten and Trunks has the same multiplier as the one between Goku and Vegeta. I think the stronger the fighter, the more power they can get from the fusion. For all we know, fusion could just multiply the powers. What I'm saying is that the difference between SS Gogeta and SS Gotenks is much, much greater than the difference between SS Goku and SS Gotenks. Goku would destroy Goten easily, but Gogeta VS Gotenks would be a massacre. __________________ One day Chuck Norris walked down the street with a massive erection ... there were no survivors.

10-29-2007	#30 (permalink)
Broly The Desolate One Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: You think I give a shit about where you think I stay? Posts: 7,538 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 31	Re: Potara vs Metamorose That could be the case, although it's never stated. I'm of the opinion though that the Metamorese fusion multiplier is the same and the PLs of the fusionees determine the overall outcome of the fusion. __________________ $E:\Avatars\I am [not] God.JPG$ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wS5xOZ7Rq8 Silence is golden, ducktape is silver, a bullet is bronze.