SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu - Page 5

**Majuub** · 11-25-2007

I said he was exagerating only when he said Gotenks was stronger than him. The situation was bad, so exageration was completely justfied. Why would Goku say someone weaker than him would come and fight Buu, he knows that Buu is impatient so he had to do to something to keep in excited. It's like when he said to Shin Buu that they would have to kill him in order to get out, he was exagerating his power, he was even lying since he had too, maybe it was the same for Gotenks. Why would Fat Buu wait if someone weaker than Goku would come to fight him, we all know Buu, he just wants to fight the strongest. When Goku was about to face Chibi Buu, he didn't say maybe I could have taken out Fat Buu, he didn't hesitate nor showed any signs of doubt. The way he was talking, he could obviously have killed Fat Buu quite easily. Like I stated earlier, that's the case if we give Goku the biggest advantage possible, it would be pointless to put him against an ennemy 4x stronger than he is, but if we make that ennemy 2x stronger, than all hope is not lost. If we so agree Goku is 4x weaker than Shin Buu because we obviously know everything about the multipliers, than this topic shouldn't be even open. It's like being stupid enough to put Cell against SSJ3 Goku. Maybe Goku wasn't even in Buu's power range, maybe he was 1,5x-2x stronger than him, that would make a drastic difference.

Deep thought · 11-25-2007

I personally think that comparing Super Sayajin 3 Goku to Shin Buu is like comparing Super Sayajin 2 Gohan to Perfect Cell, both Cell and Goku are very intellegent warriors, but they wouldn't stand a chance againist their foes, and don't tell me that Goku has never been beaten before.
Even if Shin Buu is "only" 2X stronger than him, what is Goku doing to do. Read this post, and it'll proove that Shin Buu has Goku out matched by far, no matter how you slice it:

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Originally Posted by Deep thought

Actually, Goku's techniques are not going to help him too much. If you don't believe me, then let's review the Goku's ever so large repertoire of attacks.

Attack #1 - The Kamehameha Wave: This attack actually has a fair chance of damaging Shin Buu considerably, the Raditz Arc proves that, as Goku was able to multiply his power slightly over 2-fold his current power level. However, the best case scenario is that Shin Buu would end up with similar effects as with Gotenks's Kamikaze Ghost Attack. However, after that, he'd be more on his guard, like with the KGA, and even though Gotenks could hit Buu with another swarm of ghosts, that was only because the KGA has much more flexible uses than the Kamehameha. Even so, Goku would be throughly exhausted after firing one Kamehameha, so I doubt that his second one would be anywhere near the power of his first one. In addition to that, even it did have as much power as the previous one, and even if it did hit, then Super Buu would simply be annoyed at this point, and his anger would lead to true rage, his rage would lead to him to use his full power, and we all know what that means.

Attack #2 - The Genkai Dama: There is just too many things wrong with the Gankai Dama, the first one being Shin Buu's impatience. I highly doubt that Shin Buu would wait that long, since Freeza was impatient while wait for Goku to prepare a Genkai Dama 1/200th the size of the one required to obliterate Shin Buu completely, at least. Shin Buu is also more impatient than Freeza, as I bet that he could actually wait for Gotenks to emerge if Freeza was in Buu's shoes. The second flaw is the fact that something like that would pretty much destroy any planet that they're on, as the Genkai Dama required to kill Shin Buu completely and utterly would have to be three times as big as the one used to kill Chibi Buu.

Attack #3 - Self-Destruct?: This one is simple. Majin Vegeta's Final Explosion didn't completly kill Majin Buu. Now, let's apply some multipliers to Goku and Shin Buu, and I really think that this is generous.

Shin Buu: Roughly 4X stronger than the happy Majin Boo that we see before Vegeta blows himself up (this mutiplier should be higher, considering that Majin Buu was happy and therefore he didn't have that high of a powerlevel, as the angrier Majin Buu gets, the more powerful he gets).

Super Sayajin 3 Goku: Roughly 4X stronger than Majin Vegeta (I personally don't see the Super Sayajin 3 multiplier being that high, but it doesn't hurt my arguement to place it this high, anway).

So Goku using self-destruct would yield similar effects to Majin Vegeta's self-destruct. Even if that completely vaporizes Shin Buu, then it's a draw. So either way, even if you stretch it, Goku isn't going to win.

**Majuub** · 11-25-2007

If the kamehameha power is 2x the power of base Goku in the saiyan saga, then in SSJ3 during the Buu saga it could easily be 3-6x his power don't you agree?

warcrack · 11-25-2007

But even if it was, Boo could just regenerate. Look at the battle with Kid Boo (who is at Goku's level); Goku aimed a power-multiplying kamehameha at him, and he just regenerated from it.

**Majuub** · 11-25-2007

It wasn't near Goku's full power, they stated he could have obliterated Chibi Buu easily if he was to charge at maximum strength

SRP76 · 11-26-2007

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Originally Posted by Majuub

It wasn't near Goku's full power, they stated he could have obliterated Chibi Buu easily if he was to charge at maximum strength

Why do people keep adding things?

"You should have enough power to obliterate him".

"SHOULD". That means "I'm not even sure it can be done". It does NOT mean "this will be easy".

Completely opposite what of what people insist on adding to it.

**SS2 Vegeto** · 11-26-2007

Uh..no? If he "should" be able to, it means it's likely, and Goku basically agreed with this, since he said himself that he'd just need a minute to power up - he knew he could kill this Buu at full power, but he didn't count on the massive ki drain.

sportsfreak99 · 11-26-2007

Supreme Kai states that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. SSJ3Goku put up a good fight against Kid Buu so SSJ3Goku wins.

**Zer0** · 11-26-2007

You didn't read a single post did you?

SRP76 · 11-26-2007

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Originally Posted by SS2 Vegeto

Uh..no? If he "should" be able to, it means it's likely, and Goku basically agreed with this, since he said himself that he'd just need a minute to power up - he knew he could kill this Buu at full power, but he didn't count on the massive ki drain.

If Vegeta were sure, he would have said "you will be able to".

He wasn't certain, and there sure was no "easily" about it.

fktizle · 11-26-2007

In terms of Gotenks, this is how I would put it. SSJ Gotenks is stronger than Majin Buu because originally, SSJ3 Goku never thought they would even reach SSJ3. He knew they couldn't win normally, but they could win at SSJ level. SSJ Gotenks got his ass kicked by Super Buu, so maybe Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. But in terms of anime and non-cannon DBZ which is what I like: SSJ3 Goku(Alive, Earth) > SSJ3 Gotenks

jeditokill · 11-26-2007

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Originally Posted by sportsfreak99

Supreme Kai states that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. SSJ3Goku put up a good fight against Kid Buu so SSJ3Goku wins.

That line was only in the dub and is a goof. What he originaly said, was that Kid Buu was the most dangerous Buu of them all and he was right.

**SS2 Vegeto** · 11-26-2007

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Originally Posted by SRP76

If Vegeta were sure, he would have said "you will be able to".

He wasn't certain, and there sure was no "easily" about it.

Only, they're ink on paper, which don't have thoughts, and depict the authors intentions, and if the author says it, and doesn't contradict it, then that is what it is. He said that Goku should be able to "obliterate" the Original Buu.

Ultimate_Gohan · 12-05-2007

Goku was afraid to take on super buu by himself because he knew he would lose. But he took on kid buu and kid buu was clearly stronger but even goku wasn't at full power. So i think it goes like this- Super Buu>Goku SSJ3 FP>>Kid Buu>>Goku ssj3 not full power.

Kakarotto · 12-25-2007

I think Mystic Gohan has the same power as SSJ3 Goku (when he's dead). But i thing that goku ssj3 could fight better than mystic Gohan... You can see this on movie 13 while they fighting hildegarn( Mystic Gohan loses much easier than Goku 3) and while fighting Buu(with Gotenks and piccolo) Goku stand better than Gohan...

SSj3 Goku and Mystic Gohan are a little bit stronger than SSj3 Gotenks...

11-25-2007	#61 (permalink)
Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,554 Rep Power: 99	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu I said he was exagerating only when he said Gotenks was stronger than him. The situation was bad, so exageration was completely justfied. Why would Goku say someone weaker than him would come and fight Buu, he knows that Buu is impatient so he had to do to something to keep in excited. It's like when he said to Shin Buu that they would have to kill him in order to get out, he was exagerating his power, he was even lying since he had too, maybe it was the same for Gotenks. Why would Fat Buu wait if someone weaker than Goku would come to fight him, we all know Buu, he just wants to fight the strongest. When Goku was about to face Chibi Buu, he didn't say maybe I could have taken out Fat Buu, he didn't hesitate nor showed any signs of doubt. The way he was talking, he could obviously have killed Fat Buu quite easily. Like I stated earlier, that's the case if we give Goku the biggest advantage possible, it would be pointless to put him against an ennemy 4x stronger than he is, but if we make that ennemy 2x stronger, than all hope is not lost. If we so agree Goku is 4x weaker than Shin Buu because we obviously know everything about the multipliers, than this topic shouldn't be even open. It's like being stupid enough to put Cell against SSJ3 Goku. Maybe Goku wasn't even in Buu's power range, maybe he was 1,5x-2x stronger than him, that would make a drastic difference. __________________

11-25-2007	#63 (permalink)
Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,554 Rep Power: 99	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu If the kamehameha power is 2x the power of base Goku in the saiyan saga, then in SSJ3 during the Buu saga it could easily be 3-6x his power don't you agree? __________________

11-25-2007	#64 (permalink)
warcrack (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 1,309 Rep Power: 10	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu But even if it was, Boo could just regenerate. Look at the battle with Kid Boo (who is at Goku's level); Goku aimed a power-multiplying kamehameha at him, and he just regenerated from it. __________________

11-25-2007	#65 (permalink)
Majuub Moderator Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,554 Rep Power: 99	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu It wasn't near Goku's full power, they stated he could have obliterated Chibi Buu easily if he was to charge at maximum strength __________________

11-26-2007	#67 (permalink)
SS2 Vegeto Super Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In God's Hands Posts: 9,285 Rep Power: 25	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu Uh..no? If he "should" be able to, it means it's likely, and Goku basically agreed with this, since he said himself that he'd just need a minute to power up - he knew he could kill this Buu at full power, but he didn't count on the massive ki drain. __________________

11-26-2007	#68 (permalink)
sportsfreak99 (20) Super Saiyan 2 Join Date: May 2005 Location: On the basketball court Posts: 1,407 Rep Power: 6	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu Supreme Kai states that Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu. SSJ3Goku put up a good fight against Kid Buu so SSJ3Goku wins.

11-26-2007	#69 (permalink)
Zer0 Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Hn, None of your business Posts: 9,825 Blog Entries: 4 Rep Power: 99	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu You didn't read a single post did you? __________________ \|Work in Progress Signature\| \|Bleach Power Levels\| \|Movie Power Levels\| \|Databook Statistics\|

11-26-2007	#71 (permalink)
fktizle (8) Saiyan Warrior Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 94 Rep Power: 2	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu In terms of Gotenks, this is how I would put it. SSJ Gotenks is stronger than Majin Buu because originally, SSJ3 Goku never thought they would even reach SSJ3. He knew they couldn't win normally, but they could win at SSJ level. SSJ Gotenks got his ass kicked by Super Buu, so maybe Gotenks is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. But in terms of anime and non-cannon DBZ which is what I like: SSJ3 Goku(Alive, Earth) > SSJ3 Gotenks

12-05-2007	#74 (permalink)
Ultimate_Gohan Bleach Ranked (25) Vasto Lorde Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,030 Blog Entries: 3 Rep Power: 146	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu Goku was afraid to take on super buu by himself because he knew he would lose. But he took on kid buu and kid buu was clearly stronger but even goku wasn't at full power. So i think it goes like this- Super Buu>Goku SSJ3 FP>>Kid Buu>>Goku ssj3 not full power. __________________

12-25-2007	#75 (permalink)
Kakarotto (1) Earthling Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: SSj3 Goku vs. Super Buu I think Mystic Gohan has the same power as SSJ3 Goku (when he's dead). But i thing that goku ssj3 could fight better than mystic Gohan... You can see this on movie 13 while they fighting hildegarn( Mystic Gohan loses much easier than Goku 3) and while fighting Buu(with Gotenks and piccolo) Goku stand better than Gohan... SSj3 Goku and Mystic Gohan are a little bit stronger than SSj3 Gotenks...