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Old 03-31-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Default Krillin (cyborg saga) vs 1st form Freeza

I am with krillin. Ok, i kknow this is controversial but i will try to explain my opinion: we see in the sayan saga that the humans are also able to qquickly rise his power, just like piccolo. Notice that piccolo went from 408 to something around 2500, more or less, i think that the DB fans agree that 2500 i a good power level for him. This is a 6x increasing, slightly more maybe. What about krillin? Went from 206 stated from well over 1200, most people agrees with the 1800 level, 1770 gave on Daiz. This is a 8,7x times increase, we can say he was almost 9x times stronger then before.
Let's continue: after the guru power uo krillin went from "over 10 000", yet less then zarbon's base level, stated by vegeta, so since a vegeta with 24 000 power level>base zarbon, then vegeta (24 000 power level)>base zarbon>krillin after guru's power up.
After he recover from the fight with the ginew force it seems he was stronger. Why? Maybe the guru power up was still wrking on, or maybe all that fight worked as a training. After all, humans get stronger with training, don't they? Krillin alone was able to overcome a capt ginyu with 23 000 of power level without much effort i must say, in fact vegeta even said they were holding back since he was on goku's body or they would have killed him rather fast. After that fight krillin rested and he also made a major part from the fight with freeza, fighting freeza form 2, giving energy fro piccolo to help goku making the genki dama, even making a direct ki attck to freeza 50% form. I think with all these fights, facing ginew and freeza, i think it's not wrong to say that by the end of the namek saga krillin could already be in the 30' k of power (maybe 30 000, maybe 32 000, maybe even 35 000)
So, now we get to the cyborg saga: in this saga, piccolo, from a power level over 1 million, ok, let' say 1 500 000, went from over 150 000 000. How much? Depends on people's opinion. Ok, i will use the number 200 000 000, i think myself that he had even more then that, but let's use this reference. This means that after the namek saga, and with the intense training he got until the cyborg saga, piccolo raised his power 130x times!
So, why couldn't krillin's power also have greatly increase? Let's imagine that his power rised by a factor of 30x. It's much less then piccolo's rising but since he trained 3 years i like this factor, makes some sense to me. Then, a 30 000 pl krillin, after 3 years of hard training plus 1 extra year before cyborg's freeza arrival, would have a power level of 900 000. In fact, this is usually the power level i give him on the cyborg saga, lol.
Opinions? Also, don't forget that toriama usually powers up their character as he need, and after all, krillin had plenty of time and training to get stronger...
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Default Re: Krillin (cyborg saga) vs 1st form Freeza

I made this thread as well.
Kuririn in my opinion would win for two reasons. He may be stronger because of his training with Kami he became stronger than Kami then trained more before the saiyans came. Kami was around 280-300. Since he didn't say Kuririn was stronger than Son Goku we could assume that he was underneath 416. So Kuririn normal I'm scared of dying training gave him around a 4times boost for less than a year. So 4 times for three years He may have surpassed freezer. Also he has the one hit kill Keinzan
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Freeza in his 1st Stage by miles at every step. Kuririn still exhibited an intense flame aura dancing and licking around him (which anyone of the 10,000 range of power and anyplace above does), and still seemed unsettled and panicky at the mere thought of being pitted against Freeza. I really can't see him in the 200,000 range, as I find that's a bit of a stretch. Perhaps lucky enough to match Captain Ginyu if that sounds better admonished or amiable? Though, that's my view on it.
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Yeah, I believe Kuririn never surpassed the 100,000-120,000 range. Same goes for all the humans. The human body, unlike the Saiya-jinn one, stays in its prime for a short time, actually, an extremely short time. After that point, its advancement rate slows considerably, and it even starts weakening if neglected. I know Kuririn became stronger, but, as exhibited by his aura, I doubt he went as far as to match Frieza.
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human body, unlike the Saiya-jinn one, stays in its prime for a short time, actually, an extremely short time
And how said that, really? Also, i don't remember to see a limit to anyone in dragon ball... Aura? See, for example, tien's aura when he is flying with piccolo and goku, in order to fight the cyborgs. Do you notice any difference? lol
In my opinion the humans had the conditions to reach and surpass the 1 000 000 mark, you just have to watch out how they fastly got strong in dragon ball, sayan saga and namek saga. If they were that weak i would never see krillin beating a 23 000 ginyu for example, or i would never see C20 saying that with piccolo's energy, plus gohan and the HUMANS energy he would be able to beat vegeta. He never put aside krilli and tien's energy, what would be smart if the 2 of them could give him 1 or 2 extra millions...
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Default Re: Krillin (cyborg saga) vs 1st form Freeza

If Kuririn were smart he would do a solar flare then throw a destructo disk thus ending the life of the gender confused Freezer.
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I agree. If Kurirn just blind Freeza with Solar Flare, then hit him with multiple Kienzans, Kuririn would come out as the winner.

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YA Krillin could win!
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